White House aware of Russian bounties in 2019

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chazzed
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It's even worse than we thought:
https://www.justsecurity.org/71279/trump-pushed-cia-to-give-intelligence-to-kremlin-while-taking-no-action-against-russia-arming-taliban/
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chazzed said:

It's even worse than we thought:
https://www.justsecurity.org/71279/trump-pushed-cia-to-give-intelligence-to-kremlin-while-taking-no-action-against-russia-arming-taliban/
Captain Catastrophe is the most dangerous man to U.S. democracy. Another 4 years of him as President means the Republic may not survive as we know it.
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BearNIt said:

chazzed said:

It's even worse than we thought:
https://www.justsecurity.org/71279/trump-pushed-cia-to-give-intelligence-to-kremlin-while-taking-no-action-against-russia-arming-taliban/
Captain Catastrophe is the most dangerous man to U.S. democracy. Another 4 years of him as President means the Republic may not survive as we know it.


Haven't you heard? The biggest threat to the existence of the Republic is NOT trump, it's removal of Confederate participation trophies and flags. Just ask Tucker or Hannity. Or GoldenOnenote and BearFarce2.
chazzed
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As long as congressional Republicans do not upset 45, everything is rosy.
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AunBear89 said:





Haven't you heard? The biggest threat to the existence of the Republic is NOT trump, it's removal of Confederate participation trophies and flags. Just ask Tucker or Hannity. Or GoldenOnenote and BearFarce2.
Quote:

We are now in the process of defeating the radical left, the Marxists, the anarchists, the agitators, the looters, and people who, in many instances, have absolutely no clue what they are doing

Nope, biggest threat is what Trump said in his 4th of July speech, the radical left, people who have no clue what they are doing.
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chazzed said:

It's even worse than we thought:
https://www.justsecurity.org/71279/trump-pushed-cia-to-give-intelligence-to-kremlin-while-taking-no-action-against-russia-arming-taliban/
Years of military gains?



I eagerly await hearing about all the bang for our buck we're getting in Afghanistan.
Matthew Patel
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Still looking forward to reading about all those military gains in Afghanistan.
BearNIt
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What does Putin have on Captain Catastrophe that makes him afraid to confront him on the issue of bounties on U.S. service persons and the Russian supplying of the Taliban? He deflects the Jonathan Swan question by lying about Bush people thinking that it is fake news and starts to says that America did it while the Russians were in Afghanistan. This is our Commander in Chief?
Matthew Patel
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BearNIt said:

What does Putin have on Captain Catastrophe that makes him afraid to confront him on the issue of bounties on U.S. service persons and the Russian supplying of the Taliban? He deflects the Jonathan Swan question by lying about Bush people thinking that it is fake news and starts to says that America did it while the Russians were in Afghanistan. This is our Commander in Chief?
Years, mind you. YEARS of military gains.

chazzed
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At least other leaders are still doing what they can to contain Putin:
https://apnews.com/978f1494313a545e6e7e568e5f9782bf
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BearNIt said:

Garou said:

BearNIt said:

Garou said:

BearNIt said:


If you let Putin and the Taliban get away with this then they will be emboldened. How long before Putin turns his attention to the rest of Eastern Europe and then one of our NATO allies which we will have an obligation to defend?
So you're saying the essential piece of making sure our troops don't get killed is to make sure we leave them where they're most likely to be killed.

Got it.

How about one of those NATO allies ask for help first before we start sending people to die?
If you turn tail and leave then all the blood and sacrifice is for not, the perception of the U.S. is spill some blood and they will slink away. Soldiers know the risk when they join the military, they are willing to fight so the rest of us can debate things like this and sleep soundly at night.

On the issue of our NATO allies, when the U.S. was attacked on 9/11 they stood with us and went to war with us. We owe them the same if they were to be attacked.

I don't remember ever saying that maybe we shouldn't have troops there so I'm not sure what you're talking about. When soldiers are in theater we should be aggressive and do everything possible so they can do their jobs and if that means having to hit Puty and the Taliban with a big stick then so be it.
All the blood and sacrifice was never for anything.

But since you think it's so important, I nominate you to go over there and show those Russkies a thing or two. Let's see you get some personal skin in the game.
If I were still of the age that the military would accept me and was called upon, I would serve my country that's why I registered for the draft and would not have taken a deferment. One of my biggest regrets is that I did not serve as my brother, 6 uncles, and my father did after finishing college. As far as personal skin in the game having lost an immediate family member and trying to console a sibling and their spouse is one of the most difficult things I have personally done. I have spent time with a few soldiers back from conflict zones and have attempted to mentor them to make sure that they are taking advantage of what the military has to offer in terms of education, their military careers, and later in their civilian lives. Those that are still in the military keep in touch while still in those conflict zones.

How about you, what have you done or are willing to do? Would you serve if called upon? If more people served there might be less war.

So, you volunteer for the army yet or are you still just talking tough about COVID and Trump, pretending you ever had it in you to be a real warrior or are you sticking with just being a keyboard warrior?
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Four American troops wounded after Russian forces RAMMED their vehicle in eastern Syria


https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8667009/Four-American-troops-wounded-Russian-forces-RAMMED-vehicle-Northern-Syria.html
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8667009/amp/Four-American-troops-wounded-Russian-forces-RAMMED-vehicle-Northern-Syria.html
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Matthew Patel
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bearister said:

Four American troops wounded after Russian forces RAMMED their vehicle in eastern Syria


https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8667009/Four-American-troops-wounded-Russian-forces-RAMMED-vehicle-Northern-Syria.html
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8667009/amp/Four-American-troops-wounded-Russian-forces-RAMMED-vehicle-Northern-Syria.html
They don't pay for wounds. Gotta finish the job.
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BearNIt said:

Garou said:

BearNIt said:

Garou said:

BearNIt said:


If you let Putin and the Taliban get away with this then they will be emboldened. How long before Putin turns his attention to the rest of Eastern Europe and then one of our NATO allies which we will have an obligation to defend?
So you're saying the essential piece of making sure our troops don't get killed is to make sure we leave them where they're most likely to be killed.

Got it.

How about one of those NATO allies ask for help first before we start sending people to die?
If you turn tail and leave then all the blood and sacrifice is for not, the perception of the U.S. is spill some blood and they will slink away. Soldiers know the risk when they join the military, they are willing to fight so the rest of us can debate things like this and sleep soundly at night.

On the issue of our NATO allies, when the U.S. was attacked on 9/11 they stood with us and went to war with us. We owe them the same if they were to be attacked.

I don't remember ever saying that maybe we shouldn't have troops there so I'm not sure what you're talking about. When soldiers are in theater we should be aggressive and do everything possible so they can do their jobs and if that means having to hit Puty and the Taliban with a big stick then so be it.
All the blood and sacrifice was never for anything.

But since you think it's so important, I nominate you to go over there and show those Russkies a thing or two. Let's see you get some personal skin in the game.
If I were still of the age that the military would accept me and was called upon, I would serve my country that's why I registered for the draft and would not have taken a deferment. One of my biggest regrets is that I did not serve as my brother, 6 uncles, and my father did after finishing college. As far as personal skin in the game having lost an immediate family member and trying to console a sibling and their spouse is one of the most difficult things I have personally done. I have spent time with a few soldiers back from conflict zones and have attempted to mentor them to make sure that they are taking advantage of what the military has to offer in terms of education, their military careers, and later in their civilian lives. Those that are still in the military keep in touch while still in those conflict zones.

How about you, what have you done or are willing to do? Would you serve if called upon? If more people served there might be less war.
You volunteer yet?
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https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/national-security/u-s-commander-intel-still-hasn-t-established-russia-paid-n1240020

It appears this bounty story was another false flag. Shocking!

"WASHINGTON Two months after top Pentagon officials vowed to get to the bottom of whether the Russian government bribed the Taliban to kill American service members, the commander of troops in the region says a detailed review of all available intelligence has not been able to corroborate the existence of such a program.

"It just has not been proved to a level of certainty that satisfies me," Gen. Frank McKenzie, commander of the U.S. Central Command, told NBC News. McKenzie oversees U.S. troops in Afghanistan. The U.S. continues to hunt for new information on the matter, he said.
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Anarchistbear said:

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/national-security/u-s-commander-intel-still-hasn-t-established-russia-paid-n1240020

It appears this bounty story was another false flag. Shocking!

"WASHINGTON Two months after top Pentagon officials vowed to get to the bottom of whether the Russian government bribed the Taliban to kill American service members, the commander of troops in the region says a detailed review of all available intelligence has not been able to corroborate the existence of such a program.

"It just has not been proved to a level of certainty that satisfies me," Gen. Frank McKenzie, commander of the U.S. Central Command, told NBC News. McKenzie oversees U.S. troops in Afghanistan. The U.S. continues to hunt for new information on the matter, he said.



Also Gen. McKenzie: "We continue to look for that evidence," the general said. "I just haven't seen it yet. But it's not a closed issue."

How do you go from that to false flag? That's quite the leap. I get that you have a similar contrarian gig to other Righties on this board, but I assumed you were a bit smarter than them. My mistake.
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Anarchistbear said:

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/national-security/u-s-commander-intel-still-hasn-t-established-russia-paid-n1240020

It appears this bounty story was another false flag. Shocking!

"WASHINGTON Two months after top Pentagon officials vowed to get to the bottom of whether the Russian government bribed the Taliban to kill American service members, the commander of troops in the region says a detailed review of all available intelligence has not been able to corroborate the existence of such a program.

"It just has not been proved to a level of certainty that satisfies me," Gen. Frank McKenzie, commander of the U.S. Central Command, told NBC News. McKenzie oversees U.S. troops in Afghanistan. The U.S. continues to hunt for new information on the matter, he said.

"Not enough evidence" is not the same as "false."
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AunBear89 said:

Anarchistbear said:

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/national-security/u-s-commander-intel-still-hasn-t-established-russia-paid-n1240020

It appears this bounty story was another false flag. Shocking!

"WASHINGTON Two months after top Pentagon officials vowed to get to the bottom of whether the Russian government bribed the Taliban to kill American service members, the commander of troops in the region says a detailed review of all available intelligence has not been able to corroborate the existence of such a program.

"It just has not been proved to a level of certainty that satisfies me," Gen. Frank McKenzie, commander of the U.S. Central Command, told NBC News. McKenzie oversees U.S. troops in Afghanistan. The U.S. continues to hunt for new information on the matter, he said.



Also Gen. McKenzie: "We continue to look for that evidence," the general said. "I just haven't seen it yet. But it's not a closed issue."

How do you go from that to false flag? That's quite the leap. I get that you have a similar contrarian gig to other Righties on this board, but I assumed you were a bit smarter than them. My mistake.


You tell me how we went from White House is aware of bounties to.,,we have no evidence of bounties.
AunBear89
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Ok. Whataboutism rather than an answer. You're no different than Yogi or GoldenOnenote or hanky or helltopay: when confronted with an uncomfortable question, deflect.
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Anarchistbear said:

AunBear89 said:

Anarchistbear said:

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/national-security/u-s-commander-intel-still-hasn-t-established-russia-paid-n1240020

It appears this bounty story was another false flag. Shocking!

"WASHINGTON Two months after top Pentagon officials vowed to get to the bottom of whether the Russian government bribed the Taliban to kill American service members, the commander of troops in the region says a detailed review of all available intelligence has not been able to corroborate the existence of such a program.

"It just has not been proved to a level of certainty that satisfies me," Gen. Frank McKenzie, commander of the U.S. Central Command, told NBC News. McKenzie oversees U.S. troops in Afghanistan. The U.S. continues to hunt for new information on the matter, he said.



Also Gen. McKenzie: "We continue to look for that evidence," the general said. "I just haven't seen it yet. But it's not a closed issue."

How do you go from that to false flag? That's quite the leap. I get that you have a similar contrarian gig to other Righties on this board, but I assumed you were a bit smarter than them. My mistake.


You tell me how we went from White House is aware of bounties to.,,we have no evidence of bounties.
It's there in the article: the CIA put it in a report to the White House. Military intelligence is attempting to corroborate but hasn't been able to yet. Different groups reaching different conclusions.
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sycasey said:

Anarchistbear said:

AunBear89 said:

Anarchistbear said:

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/national-security/u-s-commander-intel-still-hasn-t-established-russia-paid-n1240020

It appears this bounty story was another false flag. Shocking!

"WASHINGTON Two months after top Pentagon officials vowed to get to the bottom of whether the Russian government bribed the Taliban to kill American service members, the commander of troops in the region says a detailed review of all available intelligence has not been able to corroborate the existence of such a program.

"It just has not been proved to a level of certainty that satisfies me," Gen. Frank McKenzie, commander of the U.S. Central Command, told NBC News. McKenzie oversees U.S. troops in Afghanistan. The U.S. continues to hunt for new information on the matter, he said.



Also Gen. McKenzie: "We continue to look for that evidence," the general said. "I just haven't seen it yet. But it's not a closed issue."

How do you go from that to false flag? That's quite the leap. I get that you have a similar contrarian gig to other Righties on this board, but I assumed you were a bit smarter than them. My mistake.


You tell me how we went from White House is aware of bounties to.,,we have no evidence of bounties.
It's there in the article: the CIA put it in a report to the White House. Military intelligence is attempting to corroborate but hasn't been able to yet. Different groups reaching different conclusions.


Unnamed intelligence sources in the NYT article

"Spokespeople at the National Security Council, the Pentagon, the State Department and the C.I.A. declined to comment."

But actual named sources in the theater where it is supposedly happening have no evidence,

Yes, I'm saying the story was b$ll****
sycasey
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Anarchistbear said:

Yes, I'm saying the story was b$ll****
And that hasn't been proven either.

It's okay to sometimes just say, "I'm not sure what happened."
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sycasey said:

Anarchistbear said:

Yes, I'm saying the story was b$ll****
And that hasn't been proven either.

It's okay to sometimes just say, "I'm not sure what happened."


I'm not sure what happened is not a validation of a national story by the NYT. Their sources are not attributed- without hard or even soft evidence it doesn't hold up.
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Anarchistbear said:

sycasey said:

Anarchistbear said:

Yes, I'm saying the story was b$ll****
And that hasn't been proven either.

It's okay to sometimes just say, "I'm not sure what happened."


I'm not sure what happened is not a validation of a national story by the NYT. Their sources are not attributed- without hard or even soft evidence it doesn't hold up.
I didn't say it was validated. I just said it's not proven to be false either.
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sycasey said:

Anarchistbear said:

sycasey said:

Anarchistbear said:

Yes, I'm saying the story was b$ll****
And that hasn't been proven either.

It's okay to sometimes just say, "I'm not sure what happened."


I'm not sure what happened is not a validation of a national story by the NYT. Their sources are not attributed- without hard or even soft evidence it doesn't hold up.
I didn't say it was validated. I just said it's not proven to be false either.


That's fine for you but not for the Times.
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AunBear89 said:

Ok. Whataboutism rather than an answer. You're no different than Yogi or GoldenOnenote or hanky or helltopay: when confronted with an uncomfortable question, deflect.
That's rich coming from a dishonest actor like you. I can't believe they even let you near children.
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Anarchistbear said:

sycasey said:

Anarchistbear said:

Yes, I'm saying the story was b$ll****
And that hasn't been proven either.

It's okay to sometimes just say, "I'm not sure what happened."
I'm not sure what happened is not a validation of a national story by the NYT. Their sources are not attributed- without hard or even soft evidence it doesn't hold up.
Witch hunt. Democratic hoax.
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Garou said:

Anarchistbear said:

sycasey said:

Anarchistbear said:

Yes, I'm saying the story was b$ll****
And that hasn't been proven either.

It's okay to sometimes just say, "I'm not sure what happened."
I'm not sure what happened is not a validation of a national story by the NYT. Their sources are not attributed- without hard or even soft evidence it doesn't hold up.
Witch hunt. Democratic hoax.


Of course, where your "resistance" is to constantly yell " Russia" no matter what the question
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Do tell. When have I been dishonest?

I can't believe they let you near sharp objects or operate motor vehicles.
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So people are taking the statement below to mean that there were no bounties?

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"It just has not been proved to a level of certainty that satisfies me," Gen. Frank McKenzie, commander of the U.S. Central Command, told NBC News.

Imagine if every allegation made by Trump or someone in his administration was made only after "proven to a level of certainty that satisfies" a General. That might be "beyond a reasonable doubt" or it might be some other standard, we have no idea. Needless to say, it's probably not the same as Trump's standard which is "anything that helps me".
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AunBear89 said:

Do tell. When have I been dishonest?

I can't believe they let you near sharp objects or operate motor vehicles.



Your picture choice is more revealing than anything. One of your on line "friends.?"
Garou
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Anarchistbear said:

AunBear89 said:

Do tell. When have I been dishonest?

I can't believe they let you near sharp objects or operate motor vehicles.

Your picture choice is more revealing than anything. One of your on line "friends.?"
It's a selfie he took on his flip phone
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Unit2Sucks said:

So people are taking the statement below to mean that there were no bounties?

Quote:

"It just has not been proved to a level of certainty that satisfies me," Gen. Frank McKenzie, commander of the U.S. Central Command, told NBC News.

Imagine if every allegation made by Trump or someone in his administration was made only after "proven to a level of certainty that satisfies" a General. That might be "beyond a reasonable doubt" or it might be some other standard, we have no idea. Needless to say, it's probably not the same as Trump's standard which is "anything that helps me".
Moreover, the original reporting was that some intelligence sources concluded that such a bounty program existed. That portion seems to be corroborated by other outlets as well: even the military officials who say they can't confirm the existence of the program seem to confirm that such intelligence reports existed (that's why they are investigating). So again, it's not proof that the NYT or other outlets falsely reported anything.

Were some of the stories written in a bit of a sensationalist fashion, leading readers to draw conclusions that weren't necessarily warranted? Yes, probably. In other news, water is wet.
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Your point of emphasis is more revealing than anything. If you had any substance to your contrarian opinions you would make posts of some substance. Instead, you make pedo jokes. Can anyone say "projection"?
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It's a picture of you this morning, crying in your Cream o Wheat when you remembered Bernie lost.
 
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