The racist history and anti-woman origins of the anti-abortion movement

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Yogi7
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Back when the American Medical Association was still a fledgling organization, however, it began a crusade in 1857 to make abortion illegal, Reagan wrote. The impetus was manifold. Some of it came "out of regular physicians' desire to win professional power, control medical practice, and restrict their competitors," namely midwives and homeopaths.

But this was also a time, Reagan said, in which women were lobbying for entrance into Harvard Medical School, in part so they could pursue work in obstetrics and gynecology.

The force behind this 19th-century AMA anti-abortion campaign was Dr. Horatio Storer, a Harvard Medical School graduate who dedicated much of his practice to OB-GYN work before he died in 1922. The crusade proved to be a form of backlash against the shifting aspirations of women. It was "antifeminist at its core," Reagan wrote. The AMA pushed for state laws to restrict abortions, and most did by 1880. Then the Comstock Law, passed by Congress in 1873, banned items including abortion drugs.

But before abortions were banned, a woman known as Madame Restell ran abortion businesses from New York to Philadelphia and Boston. Her main clientele, Reagan wrote, were "married, white, native-born Protestant women of upper and middle classes." Abortions, birth control and general efforts to manage the timing of pregnancy meant birth rates among white women were falling just as immigrants streamed into the United States. And the idea of being out-populated by "others" worried some anti-abortion activists like Storer. He argued that whites should be populating the country, including the West and the South. Better them than blacks, Catholics, Mexicans, Chinese or Indians, he said, according to Reagan.

"Shall these regions be filled by our own children or by those of aliens? This is a question our women must answer; upon their loins depends the future destiny of the nation," Storer said, according to Reagan's research.
"White male patriotism," she wrote, "demanded that maternity be enforced among white Protestant women."

https://www.cnn.com/2016/06/23/health/abortion-history-in-united-states/index.html
calbear93
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Todd Ingram said:

Back when the American Medical Association was still a fledgling organization, however, it began a crusade in 1857 to make abortion illegal, Reagan wrote. The impetus was manifold. Some of it came "out of regular physicians' desire to win professional power, control medical practice, and restrict their competitors," namely midwives and homeopaths.

But this was also a time, Reagan said, in which women were lobbying for entrance into Harvard Medical School, in part so they could pursue work in obstetrics and gynecology.

The force behind this 19th-century AMA anti-abortion campaign was Dr. Horatio Storer, a Harvard Medical School graduate who dedicated much of his practice to OB-GYN work before he died in 1922. The crusade proved to be a form of backlash against the shifting aspirations of women. It was "antifeminist at its core," Reagan wrote. The AMA pushed for state laws to restrict abortions, and most did by 1880. Then the Comstock Law, passed by Congress in 1873, banned items including abortion drugs.

But before abortions were banned, a woman known as Madame Restell ran abortion businesses from New York to Philadelphia and Boston. Her main clientele, Reagan wrote, were "married, white, native-born Protestant women of upper and middle classes." Abortions, birth control and general efforts to manage the timing of pregnancy meant birth rates among white women were falling just as immigrants streamed into the United States. And the idea of being out-populated by "others" worried some anti-abortion activists like Storer. He argued that whites should be populating the country, including the West and the South. Better them than blacks, Catholics, Mexicans, Chinese or Indians, he said, according to Reagan.

"Shall these regions be filled by our own children or by those of aliens? This is a question our women must answer; upon their loins depends the future destiny of the nation," Storer said, according to Reagan's research.
"White male patriotism," she wrote, "demanded that maternity be enforced among white Protestant women."

https://www.cnn.com/2016/06/23/health/abortion-history-in-united-states/index.html
Interesting comparison against Margaret Sanger, the founder of Planned Parenthood, who championed abortion rights to promote eugenics, especially in the black community, and who praised Nazi Germany's sterilization program.





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calbear93 said:

Todd Ingram said:

Back when the American Medical Association was still a fledgling organization, however, it began a crusade in 1857 to make abortion illegal, Reagan wrote. The impetus was manifold. Some of it came "out of regular physicians' desire to win professional power, control medical practice, and restrict their competitors," namely midwives and homeopaths.

But this was also a time, Reagan said, in which women were lobbying for entrance into Harvard Medical School, in part so they could pursue work in obstetrics and gynecology.

The force behind this 19th-century AMA anti-abortion campaign was Dr. Horatio Storer, a Harvard Medical School graduate who dedicated much of his practice to OB-GYN work before he died in 1922. The crusade proved to be a form of backlash against the shifting aspirations of women. It was "antifeminist at its core," Reagan wrote. The AMA pushed for state laws to restrict abortions, and most did by 1880. Then the Comstock Law, passed by Congress in 1873, banned items including abortion drugs.

But before abortions were banned, a woman known as Madame Restell ran abortion businesses from New York to Philadelphia and Boston. Her main clientele, Reagan wrote, were "married, white, native-born Protestant women of upper and middle classes." Abortions, birth control and general efforts to manage the timing of pregnancy meant birth rates among white women were falling just as immigrants streamed into the United States. And the idea of being out-populated by "others" worried some anti-abortion activists like Storer. He argued that whites should be populating the country, including the West and the South. Better them than blacks, Catholics, Mexicans, Chinese or Indians, he said, according to Reagan.

"Shall these regions be filled by our own children or by those of aliens? This is a question our women must answer; upon their loins depends the future destiny of the nation," Storer said, according to Reagan's research.
"White male patriotism," she wrote, "demanded that maternity be enforced among white Protestant women."

https://www.cnn.com/2016/06/23/health/abortion-history-in-united-states/index.html
Interesting comparison against Margaret Sanger, the founder of Planned Parenthood, who championed abortion rights to promote eugenics, especially in the black community, and who praised Nazi Germany's sterilization program.
As I always say, the response from Republicans is always utterly predictable because you've already read it verbatim somewhere else.
calbear93
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Matthew Patel said:

calbear93 said:

Todd Ingram said:

Back when the American Medical Association was still a fledgling organization, however, it began a crusade in 1857 to make abortion illegal, Reagan wrote. The impetus was manifold. Some of it came "out of regular physicians' desire to win professional power, control medical practice, and restrict their competitors," namely midwives and homeopaths.

But this was also a time, Reagan said, in which women were lobbying for entrance into Harvard Medical School, in part so they could pursue work in obstetrics and gynecology.

The force behind this 19th-century AMA anti-abortion campaign was Dr. Horatio Storer, a Harvard Medical School graduate who dedicated much of his practice to OB-GYN work before he died in 1922. The crusade proved to be a form of backlash against the shifting aspirations of women. It was "antifeminist at its core," Reagan wrote. The AMA pushed for state laws to restrict abortions, and most did by 1880. Then the Comstock Law, passed by Congress in 1873, banned items including abortion drugs.

But before abortions were banned, a woman known as Madame Restell ran abortion businesses from New York to Philadelphia and Boston. Her main clientele, Reagan wrote, were "married, white, native-born Protestant women of upper and middle classes." Abortions, birth control and general efforts to manage the timing of pregnancy meant birth rates among white women were falling just as immigrants streamed into the United States. And the idea of being out-populated by "others" worried some anti-abortion activists like Storer. He argued that whites should be populating the country, including the West and the South. Better them than blacks, Catholics, Mexicans, Chinese or Indians, he said, according to Reagan.

"Shall these regions be filled by our own children or by those of aliens? This is a question our women must answer; upon their loins depends the future destiny of the nation," Storer said, according to Reagan's research.
"White male patriotism," she wrote, "demanded that maternity be enforced among white Protestant women."

https://www.cnn.com/2016/06/23/health/abortion-history-in-united-states/index.html
Interesting comparison against Margaret Sanger, the founder of Planned Parenthood, who championed abortion rights to promote eugenics, especially in the black community, and who praised Nazi Germany's sterilization program.
As I always say, the response from Republicans is always utterly predictable because you've already read it verbatim somewhere else.
Same with liberals.
sycasey
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calbear93 said:

Todd Ingram said:

Back when the American Medical Association was still a fledgling organization, however, it began a crusade in 1857 to make abortion illegal, Reagan wrote. The impetus was manifold. Some of it came "out of regular physicians' desire to win professional power, control medical practice, and restrict their competitors," namely midwives and homeopaths.

But this was also a time, Reagan said, in which women were lobbying for entrance into Harvard Medical School, in part so they could pursue work in obstetrics and gynecology.

The force behind this 19th-century AMA anti-abortion campaign was Dr. Horatio Storer, a Harvard Medical School graduate who dedicated much of his practice to OB-GYN work before he died in 1922. The crusade proved to be a form of backlash against the shifting aspirations of women. It was "antifeminist at its core," Reagan wrote. The AMA pushed for state laws to restrict abortions, and most did by 1880. Then the Comstock Law, passed by Congress in 1873, banned items including abortion drugs.

But before abortions were banned, a woman known as Madame Restell ran abortion businesses from New York to Philadelphia and Boston. Her main clientele, Reagan wrote, were "married, white, native-born Protestant women of upper and middle classes." Abortions, birth control and general efforts to manage the timing of pregnancy meant birth rates among white women were falling just as immigrants streamed into the United States. And the idea of being out-populated by "others" worried some anti-abortion activists like Storer. He argued that whites should be populating the country, including the West and the South. Better them than blacks, Catholics, Mexicans, Chinese or Indians, he said, according to Reagan.

"Shall these regions be filled by our own children or by those of aliens? This is a question our women must answer; upon their loins depends the future destiny of the nation," Storer said, according to Reagan's research.
"White male patriotism," she wrote, "demanded that maternity be enforced among white Protestant women."

https://www.cnn.com/2016/06/23/health/abortion-history-in-united-states/index.html
Interesting comparison against Margaret Sanger, the founder of Planned Parenthood, who championed abortion rights to promote eugenics, especially in the black community, and who praised Nazi Germany's sterilization program.
Not true. Sanger was pro-contraception but against abortion. She was a complicated woman.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Margaret_Sanger#Abortion
calbear93
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sycasey said:

calbear93 said:

Todd Ingram said:

Back when the American Medical Association was still a fledgling organization, however, it began a crusade in 1857 to make abortion illegal, Reagan wrote. The impetus was manifold. Some of it came "out of regular physicians' desire to win professional power, control medical practice, and restrict their competitors," namely midwives and homeopaths.

But this was also a time, Reagan said, in which women were lobbying for entrance into Harvard Medical School, in part so they could pursue work in obstetrics and gynecology.

The force behind this 19th-century AMA anti-abortion campaign was Dr. Horatio Storer, a Harvard Medical School graduate who dedicated much of his practice to OB-GYN work before he died in 1922. The crusade proved to be a form of backlash against the shifting aspirations of women. It was "antifeminist at its core," Reagan wrote. The AMA pushed for state laws to restrict abortions, and most did by 1880. Then the Comstock Law, passed by Congress in 1873, banned items including abortion drugs.

But before abortions were banned, a woman known as Madame Restell ran abortion businesses from New York to Philadelphia and Boston. Her main clientele, Reagan wrote, were "married, white, native-born Protestant women of upper and middle classes." Abortions, birth control and general efforts to manage the timing of pregnancy meant birth rates among white women were falling just as immigrants streamed into the United States. And the idea of being out-populated by "others" worried some anti-abortion activists like Storer. He argued that whites should be populating the country, including the West and the South. Better them than blacks, Catholics, Mexicans, Chinese or Indians, he said, according to Reagan.

"Shall these regions be filled by our own children or by those of aliens? This is a question our women must answer; upon their loins depends the future destiny of the nation," Storer said, according to Reagan's research.
"White male patriotism," she wrote, "demanded that maternity be enforced among white Protestant women."

https://www.cnn.com/2016/06/23/health/abortion-history-in-united-states/index.html
Interesting comparison against Margaret Sanger, the founder of Planned Parenthood, who championed abortion rights to promote eugenics, especially in the black community, and who praised Nazi Germany's sterilization program.
Not true. Sanger was pro-contraception but against abortion. She was a complicated woman.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Margaret_Sanger#Abortion
Fair enough. However, her followers and immediate successor promoted abortion, especially in the minority community as a form of eugenics and population control. And she herself wanted to weed out what she felt were bad genes from reproducing.

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/07/25/opinion/sunday/abortion-racism-margaret-sanger.html#commentsContainer
sycasey
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calbear93 said:

sycasey said:

calbear93 said:

Todd Ingram said:

Back when the American Medical Association was still a fledgling organization, however, it began a crusade in 1857 to make abortion illegal, Reagan wrote. The impetus was manifold. Some of it came "out of regular physicians' desire to win professional power, control medical practice, and restrict their competitors," namely midwives and homeopaths.

But this was also a time, Reagan said, in which women were lobbying for entrance into Harvard Medical School, in part so they could pursue work in obstetrics and gynecology.

The force behind this 19th-century AMA anti-abortion campaign was Dr. Horatio Storer, a Harvard Medical School graduate who dedicated much of his practice to OB-GYN work before he died in 1922. The crusade proved to be a form of backlash against the shifting aspirations of women. It was "antifeminist at its core," Reagan wrote. The AMA pushed for state laws to restrict abortions, and most did by 1880. Then the Comstock Law, passed by Congress in 1873, banned items including abortion drugs.

But before abortions were banned, a woman known as Madame Restell ran abortion businesses from New York to Philadelphia and Boston. Her main clientele, Reagan wrote, were "married, white, native-born Protestant women of upper and middle classes." Abortions, birth control and general efforts to manage the timing of pregnancy meant birth rates among white women were falling just as immigrants streamed into the United States. And the idea of being out-populated by "others" worried some anti-abortion activists like Storer. He argued that whites should be populating the country, including the West and the South. Better them than blacks, Catholics, Mexicans, Chinese or Indians, he said, according to Reagan.

"Shall these regions be filled by our own children or by those of aliens? This is a question our women must answer; upon their loins depends the future destiny of the nation," Storer said, according to Reagan's research.
"White male patriotism," she wrote, "demanded that maternity be enforced among white Protestant women."

https://www.cnn.com/2016/06/23/health/abortion-history-in-united-states/index.html
Interesting comparison against Margaret Sanger, the founder of Planned Parenthood, who championed abortion rights to promote eugenics, especially in the black community, and who praised Nazi Germany's sterilization program.
Not true. Sanger was pro-contraception but against abortion. She was a complicated woman.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Margaret_Sanger#Abortion
Fair enough. However, her followers and immediate successor promoted abortion, especially in the minority community as a form of eugenics and population control. And she herself wanted to weed out what she felt were bad genes from reproducing.

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/07/25/opinion/sunday/abortion-racism-margaret-sanger.html#commentsContainer
I'm not too sure about that either, sounds like a right-wing spin on another complicated legacy.

https://www.npr.org/sections/itsallpolitics/2015/08/14/432080520/fact-check-was-planned-parenthood-started-to-control-the-black-population

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Sanger's birth control movement did have support in black neighborhoods, beginning in the '20s when there were leagues in Harlem started by African-Americans. Sanger also worked closely with NAACP founder W.E.B. DuBois on a "Negro Project," which she viewed as a way to get safe contraception to African-Americans.

In 1946, Sanger wrote about the importance of giving "Negro" parents a choice in how many children they would have.

"The Negro race has reached a place in its history when every possible effort should be made to have every Negro child count as a valuable contribution to the future of America," she wrote. "Negro parents, like all parents, must create the next generation from strength, not from weakness; from health, not from despair."

Her attitude toward African-Americans can certainly be viewed as paternalistic, but there is no evidence she subscribed to the more racist ideas of the time or that she coerced black women into using birth control. In fact, for her time, as the Washington Post noted, "she would likely be considered to have advanced views on race relations."
calbear93
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sycasey said:

calbear93 said:

sycasey said:

calbear93 said:

Todd Ingram said:

Back when the American Medical Association was still a fledgling organization, however, it began a crusade in 1857 to make abortion illegal, Reagan wrote. The impetus was manifold. Some of it came "out of regular physicians' desire to win professional power, control medical practice, and restrict their competitors," namely midwives and homeopaths.

But this was also a time, Reagan said, in which women were lobbying for entrance into Harvard Medical School, in part so they could pursue work in obstetrics and gynecology.

The force behind this 19th-century AMA anti-abortion campaign was Dr. Horatio Storer, a Harvard Medical School graduate who dedicated much of his practice to OB-GYN work before he died in 1922. The crusade proved to be a form of backlash against the shifting aspirations of women. It was "antifeminist at its core," Reagan wrote. The AMA pushed for state laws to restrict abortions, and most did by 1880. Then the Comstock Law, passed by Congress in 1873, banned items including abortion drugs.

But before abortions were banned, a woman known as Madame Restell ran abortion businesses from New York to Philadelphia and Boston. Her main clientele, Reagan wrote, were "married, white, native-born Protestant women of upper and middle classes." Abortions, birth control and general efforts to manage the timing of pregnancy meant birth rates among white women were falling just as immigrants streamed into the United States. And the idea of being out-populated by "others" worried some anti-abortion activists like Storer. He argued that whites should be populating the country, including the West and the South. Better them than blacks, Catholics, Mexicans, Chinese or Indians, he said, according to Reagan.

"Shall these regions be filled by our own children or by those of aliens? This is a question our women must answer; upon their loins depends the future destiny of the nation," Storer said, according to Reagan's research.
"White male patriotism," she wrote, "demanded that maternity be enforced among white Protestant women."

https://www.cnn.com/2016/06/23/health/abortion-history-in-united-states/index.html
Interesting comparison against Margaret Sanger, the founder of Planned Parenthood, who championed abortion rights to promote eugenics, especially in the black community, and who praised Nazi Germany's sterilization program.
Not true. Sanger was pro-contraception but against abortion. She was a complicated woman.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Margaret_Sanger#Abortion
Fair enough. However, her followers and immediate successor promoted abortion, especially in the minority community as a form of eugenics and population control. And she herself wanted to weed out what she felt were bad genes from reproducing.

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/07/25/opinion/sunday/abortion-racism-margaret-sanger.html#commentsContainer
I'm not too sure about that either, sounds like a right-wing spin on another complicated legacy.

https://www.npr.org/sections/itsallpolitics/2015/08/14/432080520/fact-check-was-planned-parenthood-started-to-control-the-black-population

Quote:

Sanger's birth control movement did have support in black neighborhoods, beginning in the '20s when there were leagues in Harlem started by African-Americans. Sanger also worked closely with NAACP founder W.E.B. DuBois on a "Negro Project," which she viewed as a way to get safe contraception to African-Americans.

In 1946, Sanger wrote about the importance of giving "Negro" parents a choice in how many children they would have.

"The Negro race has reached a place in its history when every possible effort should be made to have every Negro child count as a valuable contribution to the future of America," she wrote. "Negro parents, like all parents, must create the next generation from strength, not from weakness; from health, not from despair."

Her attitude toward African-Americans can certainly be viewed as paternalistic, but there is no evidence she subscribed to the more racist ideas of the time or that she coerced black women into using birth control. In fact, for her time, as the Washington Post noted, "she would likely be considered to have advanced views on race relations."

Look, just to pollute a legitimate discussion on what the main purpose of the "Negro Project" she championed and what the underlying sentiments were by calling a "right-wing" spin is to suppress legitimate discussion. You can cover your ears and cover your eyes and just repeat what the left spin is or you can understand that there are legitimate concerns regarding the founding purpose of Planned Parenthood, so much so that 300 employees of Planned Parenthood demanded her name be taken off since she was, in their words, "a racist white woman" and why New York office took off her name.

And to accept that she was a fervent proponent of eugenics (no question about that) and thought it was especially needed (i.e., weed out bad genes) in the black community and to conclude there is no racist element to that is to suspend rational thought.

She was a complicated woman and, like most, was probably racist. And that is the problem with trying to project current standards on people who lived back then or even 30 years ago. So, that was my point in responding to Yogi's silly attempt to say the pro-life movement was championed 100 years ago by someone racist. Who wasn't, and so was the pro-choice movement (i.e., Sanger's immediate followers who championed abortion and supported eugenics in the black community).

https://www.nyu.edu/projects/sanger/articles/bc_or_race_control.php
sycasey
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calbear93 said:

She was a complicated woman and, like most, was probably racist. And that is the problem with trying to project current standards on people who lived back then or even 30 years ago. So, that was my point in responding to Yogi's silly attempt to say the pro-life movement was championed 100 years ago by someone racist. Who wasn't, and so was the pro-choice movement (i.e., Sanger's immediate followers who championed abortion and supported eugenics in the black community).
That's fair and I agree that trying to project decades-old morality standards into the present day is always fraught.

Hopefully that is remembered the next time someone tries to talk about how the Democrats supported slavery.
dajo9
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If you judge Planned Parenthood based on the wrongdoings of a founder then what do you do about America and its slaveholding founders?
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dajo9 said:

If you judge Planned Parenthood based on the wrongdoings of a founder then what do you do about America and its slaveholding founders?
A fine question
calbear93
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Matthew Patel said:

dajo9 said:

If you judge Planned Parenthood based on the wrongdoings of a founder then what do you do about America and its slaveholding founders?
A fine question
That everyone was racists over 200 years ago, and even just 50 years ago? And that trying to say someone is not worthy (like the original post) because, like everyone else at that time, that person had racists views back then is not meaningful as Sycasey noted.
dajo9
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Everyone may have been racist 200 years ago. Not everybody raped a slave. How do we judge Margaret Sanger and Planned Parenthood relative to Thomas Jefferson and America?
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hanky1
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20 million black babies have been aborted the past 100 years.

Black Lives Matter.

Except when they're still in the womb I guess.
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My only complaint about abortion is that it's been underutilized.

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