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  1. #136
    Quote Originally Posted by UrsusArctosCalifornicus View Post
    On a more of a fun note, check out this vid interview w/Thleen & Katie:
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    Great interview with KB & McL. Solid shout out to Ian. Diving coaching has also improved.

  2. #137
    As I posted on SWIMSWAM today, I believe Cal and Stanford won 14 out of the 17 swimming events not including diving, of course. Shows the 3 California teams (including USC) are at the pinnacle of Women's college swimming. And I expect Arizona and ASU to move up, too, and add to the strength of our conference.

  3. #138
    Quote Originally Posted by longseeker View Post
    As I posted on SWIMSWAM today, I believe Cal and Stanford won 14 out of the 17 swimming events not including diving, of course. Shows the 3 California teams (including USC) are at the pinnacle of Women's college swimming. And I expect Arizona and ASU to move up, too, and add to the strength of our conference.
    Actually, Cal and Stanford won all but 2 swimming events (and a 3rd was a tie).
    - 800 free relay: Stanford (Cal 2nd)
    - 200 free relay: Cal (Stanford 2nd)
    - 500 free: Stanford
    - 200 IM: Cal (Stanford 2nd)
    - 50 free: Stanford
    - 400 medley relay: Stanford (Cal DQed)
    - 400 IM: Stanford
    - 100 fly: Cal
    - 200 free: Stanford + Louisville tie
    - 100 breast: Indiana
    - 100 back: Cal
    - 200 medley relay: Cal
    - 1650 free: Stanford
    - 200 back: Cal
    - 100 free: Stanford
    - 200 breast: Indiana
    - 200 fly: Stanford (Cal 2nd)
    - 400 free relay: Stanford

    However, several other schools were represented among the 2nd place finishers, such as UNC, UVA, UGA, TAMU, UMN, NCST. So there is some diversity just below the top. The depth showed in TAMU's 3rd place and UGA's 4th place showings. Many Pac-12 teams peaked at conference (just compare their seed to finals times).

  4. #139
    Quote Originally Posted by longseeker View Post
    As I posted on SWIMSWAM today, I believe Cal and Stanford won 14 out of the 17 swimming events not including diving, of course. Shows the 3 California teams (including USC) are at the pinnacle of Women's college swimming. And I expect Arizona and ASU to move up, too, and add to the strength of our conference.
    Yeah, if it wasn't for Lilly in the breasts (and Comerford in the 200 free) playing the spoiler...at any rate, 10.5 of the 13 individuals + all 5 relay titles were claimed by the 2 Bay Area schools...



    [Edit] - Just saw beaverbear's more comprehensive reply on this topic...

  5. #140
    Cal & Stanford both are weak in the breaststroke. Indiana won the two breast stroke events.

  6. #141
    Quote Originally Posted by tedbear View Post
    individual point breakdown for the meet
    Thleen = 60
    Farida = 49
    Katie = 26
    Abbey = 25
    Nono = 21
    Maddie = 20
    Amy = 12
    Marina = 5
    KV = 2
    Several swim websites will publish analyses of returning points in the coming days and Bears will be in good shape relative to everyone but that big ass Taco Bell. Even with a relay DQ, 70+ points is a big cushion over A&M. Farida will be a big loss, but even her relay legs can be replaced.

    A&M, Texas, Georgia, and 'SC are talented, but they're not overtaking the Bears. Meehan's a great guy/coach, but he readily acknowledges with no Lia Neal, they probably don't get Manuel and Ledecky. Neal did take an official visit to Cal.

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    Can't believe that the Gators were shutout.

    This once proud program has hit run bottom. Didn't one time Bear Sophia Batchelor transfer there? Their guys (Dressel, Rooney, & etc) should do much better. They did come in 2nd in the SEC.

  8. #143
    I realize that the seven swimmers coming in the next recruit class will not be able to replace the four seniors graduating... Can someone provide reasonable expectations for the newbies for next season? I did notice that four of 'em (Dannie
    Dilsaver, Ali Harrison, Natalie Tuck & Alexa Skorus-Neely) specialize in the breast stroke. The other three are Robin Neumann, Elizabeth Bailey & Sophie Krivokapic-Zhou. Which ones might fill some holes and have some impact?

    I also believe that I saw mention of another new swimmer being added to the team: was it a transfer, someone out due to academics or a walk-on. Does anyone know to whom I refer or maybe i'm getting senile. I'll turn age 68 this month. thank you all
    GO BEARS!
    Last edited by Schroeder71; 03-19-2017 at 07:31 PM.

  9. #144
    Maddie Murphy vs. the Swimswam top 10 high school recruits.

    Maddie 20 + 1st place relay
    1. Meghan Small 18
    2. Beata Nelson 0
    3. Becca Mann 2
    4. Stanzi Moesley 0
    5. Claire Adams 20
    6. Katie Drabot 3
    7. Veronica Burchill 4
    8. Allie Szekely 6
    9. Grace Ogelsby 2
    10. Lindsey Horejsi 23
    14. Megan Byrnes 25

    Hmmm, so the actual winner is distance swimmer Megan Byrnes of the Furd. I still think that Claire Adams has huge potential, and I would include Meghan Small in that group too.
    Last edited by tedbear; 03-19-2017 at 06:42 PM.

  10. #145

    Madds

    Quote Originally Posted by tedbear View Post
    Maddie Murphy vs. the Swimswam top 10 high school recruits.

    Maddie 20 + 1st place relay
    Thanks tedbear for compiling those stats, v. interesting...

    Does reinforce what we've been commenting here for quite some time bout Madds having been grossly under-rated at the time. To be fair, Maddie's development did undergo a bit of an impressive surge at the North Coast Section finals in May of 2016 (i.e. after SwimSwam's Top 20 list was published), where she broke the NCS record in the 50 free, 100 fly, 100 free (relay leadoff), and 200 free relay in the anchor spot.

    Quote Originally Posted by UrsusArctosCalifornicus View Post

    CIF-NCS Championships Saturday Finals

    50 Free –1. Maddie Murphy (Carondelet) 22.49*
    100 Fly – 1. Maddie Murphy (Carondelet) 52.15*

    200 Free Relay – 1. Carondelet 1:33.28* (Maddie Murphy 21.99 anchor)
    400 Free Relay – 1. Carondelet 3:23.79 (Maddie Murphy 48.62* leadoff)

    * = NCS Record!

    http://cifncs.org/sports/swimming_&_...%20records.pdf

    Side note: Maddie's times today are all PBs (had never broken the 50 sec barrier in the 100 free previously?) , and would have ranked her 5th fastest in the 50 free, 100 free & 100 fly amongst the women's team last season.

    https://admin.xosn.com/attachments1/535435.pdf
    But it was really as a Golden Bear froski that Murphy's times really took off this season, culminating in her studly scoring prowess not to mention invaluable contribution to the team @ NCAAs last week

    Now aren't we all glad that instead of this recruiting scenario:

    Quote Originally Posted by UrsusArctosCalifornicus View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by UrsusArctosCalifornicus View Post
    Have already discussed Moriah (Pleasanton Seahawks) & Chenoa (Davis), but another low-risk high-upside local that tedbear had included in his OP post is Maddie Murphy from Orinda (Crow Canyon Sharks), whose sprint free & fly prowess would always come in handy with some more development.

    Maddie Murphy
    ...that we got this one instead?




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    For reference, here's a list of how the very best of the 2016 freshie class fared @ 2017 NCAAs for the various schools - only A finals scorers in individual events considered here:




    Compare the above to the other 3 classes:













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  11. #146

    Amy

    Quote Originally Posted by tedbear View Post
    Way to go Amy!!!! Let's work on those underwaters though.
    Quote Originally Posted by tedbear View Post
    Interesting to hear both Thleen and Katie both say that they are better at long course, which is probably also true for Abbey and Amy. If Amy had Thleen's underwaters and turns, I think she would be the one of the premier backstrokers in the world. We are talking Katina Hosszu good! Amy also got PBs in both her 50 and 100 frees.
    TBH, I've never reckoned Amy's underwaters to be that deficient in the past. True, not at the Natalie/Cindy/Bootsie/Lizzie level, or at Janet Hu/Ally Howe's (partly the reason why that furdette pair fares much better in the little pool than in long course), but Bilquist hasn't to my observation been all that competitively handicapped in that department up until this year's Pac-12s & NCAAs.

    Hmmm, wonder if it has anything to do with her ongoing stress fracture health issue as Amy has been seen sporting OBear's fave boot at duals this season and also @ Pac-12s? That would def have a significant impact on how much force can be safely applied when pushing off the walls, and would affect the backstroke races more than the freestyle ones where Amy has been having much better results.

    As we have seen with Farida, you don't need to have the world's best or longest/deepest underwaters in the sprint frees...the breakout and how quickly one can get up to speed after each wall is just as important, esp in SCY where there's less than half the distance between walls...



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    NCAA D1 WOMEN TIME CHANGE VS SEED AT NATIONALS

    As expected from the points change data, the best performing teams were Kentucky, Missouri, and Texas A&M. None of the other top schools dropped time on average. Stanford added .31%, California added .3%, Georgia added .2%, and Texas added .16%. The worst performing big teams were both from Los Angeles. USC added an average of 1.33% and UCLA added 1.23%. The field as a whole added time in line with the historical average.


    BIGGEST DROP AND ADD FOR EACH TEAM

    Name | Event | Time Change | Seed Time | Nationals Time
    California | Bilquist, Amy | 100 Freestyle | -2.54% | 48.79 | 47.55
    California | Li, Celina | 400 Individual Medley | +3.34% | 4:06.76 | 4:15.00


    https://swimswam.com/ncaa-d1-women-t...eed-nationals/


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  12. #147
    Quote Originally Posted by tedbear View Post
    Maddie Murphy vs. the Swimswam top 10 high school recruits.

    Maddie 20 + 1st place relay
    1. Meghan Small 18
    2. Beata Nelson 0
    3. Becca Mann 2
    4. Stanzi Moesley 0
    5. Claire Adams 20
    6. Katie Drabot 3
    7. Veronica Burchill 4
    8. Allie Szekely 6
    9. Grace Ogelsby 2
    10. Lindsey Horejsi 23
    14. Megan Byrnes 25

    Hmmm, so the actual winner is distance swimmer Megan Byrnes of the Furd. I still think that Claire Adams has huge potential, and I would include Meghan Small in that group too.
    Thanks for the analysis, tedbear.

    Off that list, originally thought Stanzi would be a star with upside and that Mann would have helped Cal the most (500/1650, 400 IM, 800 Free). Bakersfield is hardly Egypt, but thought Stanzi would benefit from a coaching/facility upgrade similar to Farida.

    Maddie's a star and could swim 4 relays and score in 3 events for the Bears. Adams and Small can also score individually and contribute on relays.

    Brynes can score individually, but not contribute on relays. Will be interesting to look at the scoring break down by class among the top ten teams. Bears have strong rising juniors and sophs. Furdettes don't have enough sprint and stroke depth in the pipeline below their rising senior class.

  13. #148

    And now for something completely different...

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    NCAA NAILS: MANICURES SPOTTED ON DECK AT 2017 DI NATIONALS



    Valerie Hull of Cal went with a sparkly California gold.



    Cal’s Kristin Vreldeveld went with a less-sparkly, shinier gold to represent the Bears.



    Abbey Weitzeil of Cal went with a silver that matched her cap.



    And, to our eyes, Cal’s Katie McLaughlin won the nail game with a classy two-tone black and silver.


    https://swimswam.com/ncaa-nails-mani...-di-nationals/


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  14. #149
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    Nine Bears Named All-Americans


    Cal won six events at the NCAA Championships, including the 200 free relay (Tim Binning photo).

    Coming off a runner-up finish at the NCAA Championships that included six event titles this past week, nine Golden Bears have been named All-Americans by the College Swimming and Diving Coaches Association of America.

    Eight Cal swimmers were chosen to the first team based on placing among the top eight in either relay or individual race. The list features:

    Kathleen Baker
    Amy Bilquist
    Katie McLaughlin
    Maddie Murphy
    Farida Osman
    Noemie Thomas
    Kristen Vredeveld
    Abbey Weitzeil


    In addition, Marina Garcia was selected honorable mention for her 12th-place showing in the 200 breaststroke.

    Baker was elected as the CSCAA Swimmer of the Year following victories in the 200-yard individual medley, the 100 backstroke and the 200 back, becoming the third Bear to win three races at one NCAA meet. She is the sixth Cal swimmer to be so honored, following Natalie Coughlin (2001, '02, '03), Dana Vollmer (2009), Caitlin Leverenz (2012), Elizabeth Pelton (2013) and Missy Franklin (2015).

    In addition to Baker, other Cal event winners were Osman in the 100 butterfly, the 200 free relay (Weitzeil, Murphy, Bilquist and Osman) and the 200 medley relay (Baker, Weitzeil, Thomas and Osman).


    http://www.calbears.com/news/2017/3/...ameircans.aspx


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  15. #150

    PBs & recruits

    Quote Originally Posted by beaverbear View Post
    It might not have been a great season in terms of winning a team title, but the Bears won 4 individual titles and 2 relay titles (with a potential 3rd if not for the DQ). That would be fine in most years if many more swimmers had scored. Still, I think many hit personal bests at this meet. (Maybe UAC can update the previous list....)
    Have me hands really full this morning, but will do my best to try putting up some sort of Personal Best-by-Event list later...likely not until after the Men's 800 Free Relay has concluded this afternoon!

    Meanwhile, here are some stats for how our Seniors fared at these NCAAs...


    Farida (49 individual pts)

    50 Free: 21.38 - #4, A final ... PB = 21.32 @ 2017 Pac-12s (PB wouldn't have changed NCAAs placing)
    100 Fly: 50.05 - #1, A final ... * New PB! * Pre-2017 season PB = 50.53 @ 2016 Pac-12s
    100 Free: 47.07 - #5, A final ... * New PB! * Pre-2017 season PB = 47.20 @ 2016 Pac-12s


    Marina (5 individual pts)

    100 Breast: 1:00.24 - #23 overall ... PB = 59.86 @ 2017 Pac-12s (PB -> #16 in NCAAs B final)
    200 Breast: 2:08.80 - #12, B final ... PB = 2:08.42 @ 2017 Pac-12s (PB wouldn't have changed NCAAs placing)


    KV (2 individual pts)

    50 Free: 22.32 - #27 overall ... PB = 22.12 @ 2017 Pac-12s (PB wouldn't have scored @ NCAAs)
    200 Free: 1:45.24 - #22 overall ... PB = 1:43.66 @ 2017 Pac-12s (PB -> #6 in NCAAs A final!)
    100 Free: 48.02 - #15, B final ... PB = 47.95 @ 2017 NCAAs Prelims (PB wouldn't have changed NCAAs placing)


    Celina (0 individual pts)

    200 IM: 1:58.96 - #36 overall ... PB = 1:53.85 @ 2014 NCAAs (PB -> #5 in NCAAs A final!)
    400 IM: 4:15.00 - #43 overall ... PB = 4:05.13 @ 2014 UGA Invite (PB -> #7 in NCAAs A final!)
    200 Fly: 1:59.84 - #46 overall ... PB = 1:56.35 @ 2016 UGA Invite (PB wouldn't have scored @ NCAAs)



    Quote Originally Posted by Schroeder71 View Post
    I realize that the seven swimmers coming in the next recruit class will not be able to replace the four seniors graduating... Can someone provide reasonable expectations for the newbies for next season? I did notice that four of 'em (Dannie
    Dilsaver, Ali Harrison, Natalie Tuck & Alexa Skorus-Neely) specialize in the breast stroke. The other three are Robin Neumann, Elizabeth Bailey & Sophie Krivokapic-Zhou. Which ones might fill some holes and have some impact?

    I also believe that I saw mention of another new swimmer being added to the team: was it a transfer, someone out due to academics or a walk-on. Does anyone know to whom I refer or maybe i'm getting senile. I'll turn age 68 this month. thank you all
    GO BEARS!
    I'll make a note of including the incoming baby class in that forthcoming/promised lifetime bests list

    Hmmm, completely in the dark at my end with regards to an addition to the women's swimming team - anyone heard any rumours or have confirmation of this by any chance?



    Quote Originally Posted by BearDevil View Post
    Several swim websites will publish analyses of returning points in the coming days and Bears will be in good shape relative to everyone but that big ass Taco Bell. Even with a relay DQ, 70+ points is a big cushion over A&M. Farida will be a big loss, but even her relay legs can be replaced.

    A&M, Texas, Georgia, and 'SC are talented, but they're not overtaking the Bears. Meehan's a great guy/coach, but he readily acknowledges with no Lia Neal, they probably don't get Manuel and Ledecky. Neal did take an official visit to Cal.
    Quote Originally Posted by BearDevil View Post
    Brynes can score individually, but not contribute on relays. Will be interesting to look at the scoring break down by class among the top ten teams. Bears have strong rising juniors and sophs. Furdettes don't have enough sprint and stroke depth in the pipeline below their rising senior class.
    I feel that Farida's loss will be quite a significant one unfortunately. Osman's such a modest unsung hero and always been massively underappreciated for all her contributions to the team. Not only for her sprint prowess in her individuals, but for Farida's invaluable relay value where her speed & versatility enables a breadth of options for Teri & co.

    The room to manoeuvre in terms of the Bears' relay lineups will be noticeably curtailed in our Egyptian princess' absence - for example, can we afford to keep Abbey on breast in the shorter Medley relay next year if no one else can step up to deliver a studly free anchor leg? How about the 400 Medley Relay which is further complicated with Marina out of the picture? Put Amy on back, Thleen on breast, Noemie on fly, and Abbey on free perhaps??

    Don't really see any of the incoming froskis having a realistic shot of helping out on the relays, at least in their freshie year...other than possibly Robin on the 800 Free relay, if she's able to adapt to the short course format quickly and works on her walls, not to mention adjusting to new teammates, coaching & school environments, and a new country to boot...rather big ifs TBH!

    Despite their big loss in the case of Lia Neal, the furdette juggernaut is so overstocked with studs in all but one area (breast) and reaping the fruits of yet another #1 recruiting class (by far) that I'm afraid they may dominate to a greater degree next season. To think that the IMs & Distance which were big holes down at the Farm just a short while ago have now become one of the Card's deepest strengths!

    At least LSJU didn't succeed in recruiting an elite sprint breaststroker like Mags or Nikol! Fortunately for us, Grace Zhao, whilst undeniably one of the best breast recruits (of a relatively weak class), doesn't appear to represent a significant upgrade over Kim Williams without further development.

    Our best shot at a title will prob. come the following year, as Stanfurd will say buh bye to Janet Hu & Ally Howe amongst other key players then. Already well-known for their being top-end stroke specialists, this elite furdette duo has been even more indispensable in terms of the versatility they bring to 4 of the 5 Cardinal relays, thanks to their mean Free sprinting ability and interchangeable skills in the Back & Fly.

    However reckon we will have much more to lose the next year after then, with the original Dream Team all graduating other than Abbey.



    So it's really critical that we turn the recruiting around ASAP and build a killer cadre which is commensurate with the premier standards/reputation & rich history/tradition of the school, starting with the 2018 prospects!

    Already known is Meehan vigorously pursuing the cream of that crop (Taylor Ruck, Grace Ariola, Elise Garcia, Anya Goeders, Sam Shelton, etc.):



    ... with Salo vying for Eva Merrell, Cassidy Bayer, Sam Shelton & Swedish Olympian Sophie Hansson, amongst others, for his Trojanettes.

    We'll need to counter all of that by working hard on Eva, Taylor, Zoe, Lucie, Dakota, Morgan, Amalie, Julia...also Madison Homovich or Erica Sullivan, Grace Countie, Izzi Henig, Ema Rajic, Halladay Kinsey, Jessica Epps or Mikki Thompson, MSH (as per tedbear's Canuck scouting hehe) and the rest of the crew...perhaps even go for an international studette of our own like Norway's Marte Løvberg...

    Last edited by UrsusArctosCalifornicus; 03-22-2017 at 10:50 AM. Reason: corrected Maggie A's nickname lol



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