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Thread: OT: UC Berkeley tucks its tail between its legs...cancels speech by Ann Coulter

  1. #46
    Quote Originally Posted by tequila4kapp View Post
    Why should the criminal element control speech on campus? Why should the administration abdicate to violence? Seriously. Giving in to threats of violence who's only aim is to quiet opposing views is just flat wrong.
    The affect that these gatherings have should be taken into consideration along with other considerations such as cost to the University, UCPD, and Berkeley just to name a few. A decision should then be made once all facts have been gathered. This is not giving in to threats of violence, this is being responsible to the University, students, and the community, which all have to deal with the fallout once the competing parties go home.
    Last edited by BearNIt; 04-19-2017 at 04:15 PM.

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    This is such shocking news -- I can't believe the failing New York Times refers to us as "Berkeley."

    https://www.nytimes.com/2017/04/19/u...-canceled.html


  3. #48
    Quote Originally Posted by BearNIt View Post
    If there is a safety concern then it should be taken into consideration for all groups. In this case the University and the UCPD considered the appearance by Coulter to be a safety concern which is good enough for me given last weekend's cluster****. Why should the University, UCPD and the City incur additional cost and legal exposure?
    So what you are saying is that any group that causes serious threat of violence then gets to control what gets said publicly at a public university? That is a horrible train of thought.

  4. #49
    Robert Reich has jumped in. Calls this a grave mistake.

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    Quote Originally Posted by txwharfrat View Post
    So what you are saying is that any group that causes serious threat of violence then gets to control what gets said publicly at a public university? That is a horrible train of thought.
    You missed the follow-up. Threat of violence doesn't get to control what's said publicly at a public institution, but it is certainly taken into consideration along with many other factors when deciding if an appearance is worthwhile to the university, students and the community, which have to deal with the fallout of said appearance or demonstrations when the competing outside parties go home.
    Last edited by BearNIt; 04-19-2017 at 05:54 PM.

  6. #51
    Quote Originally Posted by hanky1 View Post
    Robert Reich has jumped in. Calls this a grave mistake.
    That is so small of him!

  7. #52
    Quote Originally Posted by kelly09 View Post
    That is so small of him!
    He is a pretty small guy.

  8. #53
    She's coming anyway. She wants a show.

  9. #54
    Quote Originally Posted by BearNIt View Post
    You missed the follow-up. Threat of violence doesn't get to control what's said publicly at a public institution, but it is certainly taken into consideration along with many other factors when deciding if an appearance is worthwhile to the university, students and the community, which have to deal with the fallout of said appearance or demonstrations when the competing outside parties go home.
    The cops in Alabama .... where homegrown terrorists wearing masks was invented .... they know how to handle the terrorist group Antifa.

  10. #55
    Quote Originally Posted by socaliganbear View Post
    She's coming anyway. She wants a show.
    Oh this should really help Cal. More costs and more bad press. Reich is right.

    Personally, I think Cal instead should have just called a moratorium on speakers (right, left and center) and make them all go off campus for 6 months, until things quiet down. Use the time to future out their security procedures, and rules governing controversial speakers.

  11. #56
    Quote Originally Posted by wifeisafurd View Post
    Oh this should really help Cal. More costs and more bad press. Reich is right.

    Personally, I think Cal instead should have just called a moratorium on speakers (right, left and center) and make them all go off campus for 6 months, until things quiet down. Use the time to future out their security procedures, and rules governing controversial speakers.
    There have always been controversial speakers. I remember an ex con ex Black Panther who was running for Senate and who wanted every person to register with the government being an invited speaker in a Poli Sci class. The difference is we listened, called bullshit (politely) on his ideas and had dialogue instead of resorting to violence because he was controversial and we disagreed with him.

  12. #57
    Where exactly did Reich chime in?

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    I was on campus a couple of weeks ago as a guest of the Goldman School of Public Policy, as a thank you for my contributions to the school. I was told that Goldman offered to stage a debate between the College Republicans and representatives of liberal student political groups prior to the Milo debacle. The College Republicans turned them down in favor of inviting Milo.

    The University does not need to risk any more literal and figurative black eyes from the violence prone, self inviting Black Block, staging one of its self absorbed anarchy fests, if not to mention the corresponding presence of the white supremacist Trump thugs. The students should certainly be able to debate without anyone needing to speak for them. It is clear that both groups are fueled by a substantial off campus presence.
    Last edited by Number 031343; 04-19-2017 at 07:39 PM.

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    The University seems to be getting used by the outlier scumbags on both sides. I bet very few, if any, of the main players are students. These losers just want to make Berkeley the flash point for their crazy politics and have an excuse to riot and cause destruction. By now, the cops should know what to expect and hopefully the UCPD and Berkeley PD will get permission to do their jobs.

  15. #60
    Quote Originally Posted by socaliganbear View Post
    Where exactly did Reich chime in?
    Here's his full quote on Facebook:

    Today, officials at the University of California, Berkeley, where Iím a professor, canceled a planned speech by Ann Coulter. They cited safety concerns. In a letter to a campus Republican group that invited Coulter to speak, university officials said that they made the decision to cancel Coulterís appearance after assessing the violence that flared on campus in February, when the same college Republican group invited right-wing provocateur and Breitbart editor Milo Yiannopoulos to speak.

    This is a grave mistake. Coulter should be allowed to speak. How can students understand the vapidity of Coulterís arguments without being allowed to hear her make them, and question her about them?

    Itís one thing to cancel an address at the last moment because university and local police are not prepared to contain violence Ė as occurred, sadly, with Yiannopoulos. Itís another thing entirely to cancel an address before it is given, when police have adequate time to prepare for such eventualities.

    Free speech is what universities are all about. If universities donít do everything possible to foster and protect it, they arenít universities. Theyíre playpens.
    What do you think?



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