So often the "conservative" voices on these threads fail to take actual positions (just like their leaders I suppose). They are either "just asking questions" or "owning Libs" or just being plain contrarian but rarely state clearly and with accountability, here's what I think...and NEVER "I stand corrected."
In the interest of proving me wrong will you go on record with simple clear decisive answers to these questions?
1) Do you accept the results of the trials and jury verdicts? Meaning, you won't crow about "innocence" and I told you so (blah blah blah) if Trump is found not guilty or hung jury etc if you would have also said the jury was rigged etc if he is found guilty. State now, do you accept the jury verdict as true and final?
2) If Biden is re-elected and the country continues to improve economically (lower unemployment, higher GNP, reduced income inequality, etc); repairs its leadership in the world and with its allies; bolsters its infrastructure; and shows all the signs of better run administration with less internal drama and self-interest (I don't mean manufactured outrage/wedge issues by the right and false reporting by rightwing media, I mean in reality); and if by any reasonable standard the country is doing well, will you admit that Biden was a good president and that Democrat presidents are not disastrous to the country?
3) Will you ever hold Republican officials to the same standard you hold Democrats? Meaning, does the Republican always have your vote just because they are Republican, or does actual behavior and policy rather than loyalty and rhetoric actually matter to you?
4) Does it alarm you in any way that is people like MTG, Jordan, Gaetz, Comer, and Tuberville (I could go on) who speak for and represent you? That's your team. Those are the quality of people that you show loyalty to? You may dislike some of the Dems, but where are the ignorant brutish cruel people like that? Does this make you pause for even a second that maybe team Trump isn't the good guys?
I know these questions are leading, but I ask because I would vote Republican tomorrow if there were a smart politician with great ideas and policy, and I would want to jail every Democrat who participated in Jan 6th or had done half the things the Trump administration did. So why is that the GOP is such a party of us vs them?
Is there something about being conservative that also leans you to authoritarianism and tribalism and party before country loyalty? I have my biases, but my principles guide my loyalty completely, not the other way around. And I vote against my interest and in the interest of others all the time. The only voting against self-interest by Republicans I see is unknowingly and I rarely rarely rarely see them turn on the magic letter R.
There are so many high profile Republicans who intensely dislike Trump and think he should never be in the Oval Office again, and yet they may still vote for him. I just don't get it. What is that level of conditioning (or hatred/fear of others)? Biden has clearly been a much better president even if you have normal disagreement with some policy--and yet false equivalencies take root and irrational vilification supersedes objectivity so that the enduring cult of R can be justified. Why do you keep playing?
In the interest of proving me wrong will you go on record with simple clear decisive answers to these questions?
1) Do you accept the results of the trials and jury verdicts? Meaning, you won't crow about "innocence" and I told you so (blah blah blah) if Trump is found not guilty or hung jury etc if you would have also said the jury was rigged etc if he is found guilty. State now, do you accept the jury verdict as true and final?
2) If Biden is re-elected and the country continues to improve economically (lower unemployment, higher GNP, reduced income inequality, etc); repairs its leadership in the world and with its allies; bolsters its infrastructure; and shows all the signs of better run administration with less internal drama and self-interest (I don't mean manufactured outrage/wedge issues by the right and false reporting by rightwing media, I mean in reality); and if by any reasonable standard the country is doing well, will you admit that Biden was a good president and that Democrat presidents are not disastrous to the country?
3) Will you ever hold Republican officials to the same standard you hold Democrats? Meaning, does the Republican always have your vote just because they are Republican, or does actual behavior and policy rather than loyalty and rhetoric actually matter to you?
4) Does it alarm you in any way that is people like MTG, Jordan, Gaetz, Comer, and Tuberville (I could go on) who speak for and represent you? That's your team. Those are the quality of people that you show loyalty to? You may dislike some of the Dems, but where are the ignorant brutish cruel people like that? Does this make you pause for even a second that maybe team Trump isn't the good guys?
I know these questions are leading, but I ask because I would vote Republican tomorrow if there were a smart politician with great ideas and policy, and I would want to jail every Democrat who participated in Jan 6th or had done half the things the Trump administration did. So why is that the GOP is such a party of us vs them?
Is there something about being conservative that also leans you to authoritarianism and tribalism and party before country loyalty? I have my biases, but my principles guide my loyalty completely, not the other way around. And I vote against my interest and in the interest of others all the time. The only voting against self-interest by Republicans I see is unknowingly and I rarely rarely rarely see them turn on the magic letter R.
There are so many high profile Republicans who intensely dislike Trump and think he should never be in the Oval Office again, and yet they may still vote for him. I just don't get it. What is that level of conditioning (or hatred/fear of others)? Biden has clearly been a much better president even if you have normal disagreement with some policy--and yet false equivalencies take root and irrational vilification supersedes objectivity so that the enduring cult of R can be justified. Why do you keep playing?