Four games into the season and in every single one, we have been "somewhat disappointing", relative to the competition. And this has been tested against teams ranging from body bag to mediocre.

Our offense does not have outstanding talent, nor does it play particularly well or seem especially well-coached.

Our defense does not have outstanding talent, nor does it play particularly well or seem especially well-coached.

Our special teams do not have outstanding talent, nor do they play particularly well or seem especilly well-coached.


Amazing consistency.

Oregon State blew out USC today. We have every structural advantage in the world over Oregon State. But they hired Jonathan Smith and went out and crushed USC by 15 points today.

The last time we beat USC by more than a touchdown was 2000. The last time we beat them by multiple touchdowns was 1991. We consistently lose by a lot to them. On occasion we mix things up and lose by just a little to them. Twice since 2000 we actually beat them (by a combined total of 4 points).

Cal Football = Consistently WEAK.
Oregon State Football = Inconsistent. STRONG today.

Oregon State has a better athletics program, ours is just bigger.

Football
Basketball
Baseball
W Basketball

Oregon state is better at all of the highest profile sports.

socaliganbear said:

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Oregon State has a better athletics program, ours is just bigger.

Football
Basketball
Baseball
W Basketball

Oregon state is better at all of the highest profile sports.

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Cal Strong agree. But that not a natural thing. Cal has every natural advantage (location, prestige, facilities, etc.) to outpace Oregon State. But we consistently weak.

Oregon State (or WSU under Leach) show that a good coach can change everything, even at the lowliest Pac-12 schools.

We will beat Oregon State. Why do I say that? I have no idea...

Big C said:

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We will beat Oregon State. Why do I say that? I have no idea...

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Cal Strong hope Big C's instinct STRONG!!!

But right now, Cal Strong think we probably beat either WSU or Arizona. Cal Strong can no see any other win on the schedule. 2-11.

Cal Strong pretty low on Cal Football right now. Football team too WEAK for Cal . . . and too weak for Cal Strong. Cal Strong start following the English Department. They want to be strong. Maybe Football change it's mind and want to start getting strong. Cal Strong here to help. But first step is taking hard look in the mirror. Wilcox not willing to do that right now. So Cal Strong spread his strength to other areas of operation until Cal Football ready to admit it is weak and start working to get STRONG!!!

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socaliganbear said:

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Oregon State has a better athletics program, ours is just bigger.

Football
Basketball
Baseball
W Basketball

Oregon state is better at all of the highest profile sports.

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Cal Strong agree. But that not a natural thing. Cal has every natural advantage (location, prestige, facilities, etc.) to outpace Oregon State. But we consistently weak.

Oregon State (or WSU under Leach) show that a good coach can change everything, even at the lowliest Pac-12 schools.

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Our facilities are probably close to the conference average at this point. Basically every team in conference has upgraded their facilities in the last 20 years.

Prestige? I'm not sure what this means exactly. Academic prestige, sure, but many aspiring college athletes are not looking for a globally ranked academic program. I can't imagine you are talking about athletic prestige.

Berkeley is a great location, but not for everyone.

Recruits don't have blue and gold glasses on like we do. Neither to aspiring coaches.

BerlinerBaer said:

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Cal Strong! said:

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socaliganbear said:

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Oregon State has a better athletics program, ours is just bigger.

Football
Basketball
Baseball
W Basketball

Oregon state is better at all of the highest profile sports.

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Cal Strong agree. But that not a natural thing. Cal has every natural advantage (location, prestige, facilities, etc.) to outpace Oregon State. But we consistently weak.

Oregon State (or WSU under Leach) show that a good coach can change everything, even at the lowliest Pac-12 schools.

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Prestige? I'm not sure what this means exactly. Academic prestige, sure, but many aspiring college athletes are not looking for a globally ranked academic program. I can't imagine you are talking about athletic prestige.

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The whole upshot is, we constantly show out with pomp and circumstance various rankings highlighting our campus excellence, whether it be Forbes or whoever, yet every Saturday we have guys coming out onto the gridiron and engaging in all sorts of baffling, bumbling and absolutely idiotic maneuvers that give a totally different impression of what we have going on.

Oregon State has guys playing for them that would never get into Cal because of academics - and shouldn't.

Dear Dim. No kidding.

Dear Big C. Your comments, while accurate, beg the question.
Cal cares more about the Chemistry . program than major sports.
Until that changes, expect Cal to field teams which approximate Ivy League talent. Me?????I'm gone. I have only so much emotional energy to invest.

dimitrig said:

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Oregon State has guys playing for them that would never get into Cal because of academics - and shouldn't.

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That weak excuse. Cal has stronger players according to recruiting rankings.

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dimitrig said:

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Oregon State has guys playing for them that would never get into Cal because of academics - and shouldn't.

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That weak excuse. Cal has stronger players according to recruiting rankings.

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Then either the rankings are weak or our coaches are weak - or both!

The Beavs and Cougs have consistently had the worst recruiting classes in the conference (average stars), with the Buffs in the mix too in more recent years.

And it's important to note that those teams had nice stretches of time over-delivering with results or wins well beyond the bottom of the conference; including some years at or near the top of the conference.

Coaching matters. The HC remains the single most important talent on the football team. At the University level, the AD...

Cal89 said:

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The Beavs and Cougs have consistently had the worst recruiting classes in the conference (average stars), with the Buffs in the mix too in more recent years.

And it's important to note that those teams had nice stretches of time over-delivering with results or wins well beyond the bottom of the conference; including some years at or near the top of the conference.

Coaching matters. The HC remains the single most important talent on the football team. At the University level, the AD...

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It is Oregon State. Even Erickson and Riley had a few good years over that time. You get to .500 and it is acceptable for their fan base. Expectations are low there with a bowl game every few years. Nothing wrong with that for them. Cougs are the same

GOLDEN said:

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Cal89 said:

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The Beavs and Cougs have consistently had the worst recruiting classes in the conference (average stars), with the Buffs in the mix too in more recent years.

And it's important to note that those teams had nice stretches of time over-delivering with results or wins well beyond the bottom of the conference; including some years at or near the top of the conference.

Coaching matters. The HC remains the single most important talent on the football team. At the University level, the AD...

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It is Oregon State. Even Erickson and Riley had a few good years over that time. You get to .500 and it is acceptable for their fan base. Expectations are low there with a bowl game every few years. Nothing wrong with that for them. Cougs are the same

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Sort of sounds like our fanbase...

However, we're not just talking .500 as a ceiling though. Some seem to forgot how good Riley was at Oregon State.

In his 2nd stint beginning in 2003, over those 12 years, the Beavs had:

- two 7 win seasons
- two 8 win seasons
- three 9 win seasons
- one 10 win season

That's eight seasons out of twelve with 7+ wins. That resulted into eight bowl games, six of those wins. With bottom-of-the-conference classes, pretty damn impressive.

I don't have time at the moment, but Leach at Washington State, over eight years, half of those saw a winning conference record. Over four consecutive years his teams went 26-10 in Pac-12 games. Again, with recruiting classes (average stars) at or near the bottom of the conference...

We had our last winning Pac-12 season in 2009. We would be ecstatic with anything remotely like that level of success here...

Cal89 said:

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The Beavs and Cougs have consistently had the worst recruiting classes in the conference (average stars), with the Buffs in the mix too in more recent years.

And it's important to note that those teams had nice stretches of time over-delivering with results or wins well beyond the bottom of the conference; including some years at or near the top of the conference.

Coaching matters. The HC remains the single most important talent on the football team. At the University level, the AD...

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Were you referring to WSU or Arizona? I guess it doesn't matter because what you said is true of both. But I'd say that there are 4 programs Cal should beat every single year (WSU, Colorado, OSU and Arizona). Cal has really only been consistently successful against WSU and Colorado. They are amazingly bad against Arizona in Tucson and against OSU in Berkeley compared to what you'd expect. But that has been the case accross multiple HCs.

heartofthebear said:

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Cal89 said:

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The Beavs and Cougs have consistently had the worst recruiting classes in the conference (average stars), with the Buffs in the mix too in more recent years.

And it's important to note that those teams had nice stretches of time over-delivering with results or wins well beyond the bottom of the conference; including some years at or near the top of the conference.

Coaching matters. The HC remains the single most important talent on the football team. At the University level, the AD...

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Were you referring to WSU or Arizona? I guess it doesn't matter because what you said is true of both. But I'd say that there are 4 programs Cal should beat every single year (WSU, Colorado, OSU and Arizona). Cal has really only been consistently successful against WSU and Colorado. They are amazingly bad against Arizona in Tucson and against OSU in Berkeley compared to what you'd expect. But that has been the case accross multiple HCs.

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Time permitting, I would have brought-up AZ next, but w/o question, both the Beavs and Cougs have been at the bottom of the Pac-12, and before that Pac-10, in the football team recruiting rankings, as measure by average stars. When the Buffs joined, they too had their moments at the bottom; and still do. And AZ also, less during the RR days...

For all teams we generally out-recruit, there is an expectation we should win those game. And those four you mentioned almost always make that list...

Heck, I had some really good posts on Utah a year or so back, but they almost always recruit the bottom half of the conference, yet have quite often finished in the top half, and have even fielded some of the best teams in the Pac-12 in recent years. I remain a fan of Kyle Whittingham and staff. They've punched well above their weight with their teams over the years...

GOLDEN said:

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Cal89 said:

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The Beavs and Cougs have consistently had the worst recruiting classes in the conference (average stars), with the Buffs in the mix too in more recent years.

And it's important to note that those teams had nice stretches of time over-delivering with results or wins well beyond the bottom of the conference; including some years at or near the top of the conference.

Coaching matters. The HC remains the single most important talent on the football team. At the University level, the AD...

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It is Oregon State. Even Erickson and Riley had a few good years over that time. You get to .500 and it is acceptable for their fan base. Expectations are low there with a bowl game every few years. Nothing wrong with that for them. Cougs are the same

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Same expectations as at Cal.

I don't think that our University's values or priorities play as big a factor in our football team's performance
as we all prefer to tell ourselves. Virtually all of the Pac 12 athletic departments are primarily or completely self supported through private gifts and revenue produced by football and basketball. Cal has the same basic financial framework as our competitors. The big difference is that Cal incurred considerable debt due to the withdrawal of pledged donation regarding the stadium redevelopment around the time of the "Great Recession"

As for the notion that Cal could have great football talent were it not for our higher admission standards,
I don't think that is the problem. First of all, Cal recruits pretty well. However, by having followed recruiting, I have noticed that Cal offers a lot of athletes who commit elsewhere. When football players are offered by both Oregon and Cal, more often than not they will choose Oregon over Cal.

The biggest financial problem at Cal has to do with less revenue and less private gifting from our boosters.
The other problem is that Cal has a lot of sports to have to support. Put simply, the revenue is too low and the expenses are too high.

Strawberry Canyon said:

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I don't think that our University's values or priorities play as big a factor in our football team's performance
as we all prefer to tell ourselves. Virtually all of the Pac 12 athletic departments are primarily or completely self supported through private gifts and revenue produced by football and basketball. Cal has the same basic financial framework as our competitors. The big difference is that Cal incurred considerable debt due to the withdrawal of pledged donation regarding the stadium redevelopment around the time of the "Great Recession"

As for the notion that Cal could have great football talent were it not for our higher admission standards,
I don't think that is the problem. First of all, Cal recruits pretty well. However, by having followed recruiting, I have noticed that Cal offers a lot of athletes who commit elsewhere. When football players are offered by both Oregon and Cal, more often than not they will choose Oregon over Cal.

The biggest financial problem at Cal has to do with less revenue and less private gifting from our boosters.
The other problem is that Cal has a lot of sports to have to support. Put simply, the revenue is too low and the expenses are too high.

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This is why, Saturday, after yet another botched field goal/extra point, I yelled, "That DOES it! Cut baseball!!!"

Cal89 said:

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heartofthebear said:

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Cal89 said:

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The Beavs and Cougs have consistently had the worst recruiting classes in the conference (average stars), with the Buffs in the mix too in more recent years.

And it's important to note that those teams had nice stretches of time over-delivering with results or wins well beyond the bottom of the conference; including some years at or near the top of the conference.

Coaching matters. The HC remains the single most important talent on the football team. At the University level, the AD...

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Were you referring to WSU or Arizona? I guess it doesn't matter because what you said is true of both. But I'd say that there are 4 programs Cal should beat every single year (WSU, Colorado, OSU and Arizona). Cal has really only been consistently successful against WSU and Colorado. They are amazingly bad against Arizona in Tucson and against OSU in Berkeley compared to what you'd expect. But that has been the case accross multiple HCs.

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Time permitting, I would have brought-up AZ next, but w/o question, both the Beavs and Cougs have been at the bottom of the Pac-12, and before that Pac-10, in the football team recruiting rankings, as measure by average stars. When the Buffs joined, they too had their moments at the bottom; and still do. And AZ also, less during the RR days...

For all teams we generally out-recruit, there is an expectation we should win those game. And those four you mentioned almost always make that list...

Heck, I had some really good posts on Utah a year or so back, but they almost always recruit the bottom half of the conference, yet have quite often finished in the top half, and have even fielded some of the best teams in the Pac-12 in recent years. I remain a fan of Kyle Whittingham and staff. They've punched well above their weight with their teams over the years...

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Wittingham is generally considered to be one of the best coaches in the country. But do you know who he replaced at Utah? Too bad we didn't replace our star HC with someone as good.

I still think we should be able to beat all 5 of those teams more regularly. If we did, the program would be much more successful.

Big C said:

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Strawberry Canyon said:

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I don't think that our University's values or priorities play as big a factor in our football team's performance
as we all prefer to tell ourselves. Virtually all of the Pac 12 athletic departments are primarily or completely self supported through private gifts and revenue produced by football and basketball. Cal has the same basic financial framework as our competitors. The big difference is that Cal incurred considerable debt due to the withdrawal of pledged donation regarding the stadium redevelopment around the time of the "Great Recession"

As for the notion that Cal could have great football talent were it not for our higher admission standards,
I don't think that is the problem. First of all, Cal recruits pretty well. However, by having followed recruiting, I have noticed that Cal offers a lot of athletes who commit elsewhere. When football players are offered by both Oregon and Cal, more often than not they will choose Oregon over Cal.

The biggest financial problem at Cal has to do with less revenue and less private gifting from our boosters.
The other problem is that Cal has a lot of sports to have to support. Put simply, the revenue is too low and the expenses are too high.

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This is why, Saturday, after yet another botched field goal/extra point, I yelled, "That DOES it! Cut baseball!!!"

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LOL--I yelled "fire Rags", which is probably what you really yelled, correct?

heartofthebear said:

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Cal89 said:

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heartofthebear said:

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Cal89 said:

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The Beavs and Cougs have consistently had the worst recruiting classes in the conference (average stars), with the Buffs in the mix too in more recent years.

And it's important to note that those teams had nice stretches of time over-delivering with results or wins well beyond the bottom of the conference; including some years at or near the top of the conference.

Coaching matters. The HC remains the single most important talent on the football team. At the University level, the AD...

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Were you referring to WSU or Arizona? I guess it doesn't matter because what you said is true of both. But I'd say that there are 4 programs Cal should beat every single year (WSU, Colorado, OSU and Arizona). Cal has really only been consistently successful against WSU and Colorado. They are amazingly bad against Arizona in Tucson and against OSU in Berkeley compared to what you'd expect. But that has been the case accross multiple HCs.

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Time permitting, I would have brought-up AZ next, but w/o question, both the Beavs and Cougs have been at the bottom of the Pac-12, and before that Pac-10, in the football team recruiting rankings, as measure by average stars. When the Buffs joined, they too had their moments at the bottom; and still do. And AZ also, less during the RR days...

For all teams we generally out-recruit, there is an expectation we should win those game. And those four you mentioned almost always make that list...

Heck, I had some really good posts on Utah a year or so back, but they almost always recruit the bottom half of the conference, yet have quite often finished in the top half, and have even fielded some of the best teams in the Pac-12 in recent years. I remain a fan of Kyle Whittingham and staff. They've punched well above their weight with their teams over the years...

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Wittingham is generally considered to be one of the best coaches in the country. But do you know who he replaced at Utah? Too bad we didn't replace our star HC with someone as good.

I still think we should be able to beat all 5 of those teams more regularly. If we did, the program would be much more successful.

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You bet I know... KW is also a native Californian as I recall, not that matters much to many, but it does to me a little...

I find it somewhat encouraging that we have a pretty good offense under JW. We certainly never said the same about our D during the SD era...

I blame (Buh) Dyke's.

heartofthebear said:

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Big C said:

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Strawberry Canyon said:

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I don't think that our University's values or priorities play as big a factor in our football team's performance
as we all prefer to tell ourselves. Virtually all of the Pac 12 athletic departments are primarily or completely self supported through private gifts and revenue produced by football and basketball. Cal has the same basic financial framework as our competitors. The big difference is that Cal incurred considerable debt due to the withdrawal of pledged donation regarding the stadium redevelopment around the time of the "Great Recession"

As for the notion that Cal could have great football talent were it not for our higher admission standards,
I don't think that is the problem. First of all, Cal recruits pretty well. However, by having followed recruiting, I have noticed that Cal offers a lot of athletes who commit elsewhere. When football players are offered by both Oregon and Cal, more often than not they will choose Oregon over Cal.

The biggest financial problem at Cal has to do with less revenue and less private gifting from our boosters.
The other problem is that Cal has a lot of sports to have to support. Put simply, the revenue is too low and the expenses are too high.

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This is why, Saturday, after yet another botched field goal/extra point, I yelled, "That DOES it! Cut baseball!!!"

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LOL--I yelled "fire Rags", which is probably what you really yelled, correct?

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What I yelled doesn't stay on this board after I type it. I have a jar in our living room, which I put a dollar in every time I say a bad word in front of my kids. Lucky for me, I was picking up dinner when we botched the FG in the 2nd quarter, Alone in my car, windows rolled up. Nobody heard anything. Had I been home, there would at least be an Alexander Hamilton in that jar right now, maybe an Andrew Jackson.

The FG attempt towards the end of regulation, I was subdued: It was just a bit beyond his range. We all knew that, even the coaches, but we were hoping for some luck in the air.

Big C said:

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heartofthebear said:

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Big C said:

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Strawberry Canyon said:

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I don't think that our University's values or priorities play as big a factor in our football team's performance
as we all prefer to tell ourselves. Virtually all of the Pac 12 athletic departments are primarily or completely self supported through private gifts and revenue produced by football and basketball. Cal has the same basic financial framework as our competitors. The big difference is that Cal incurred considerable debt due to the withdrawal of pledged donation regarding the stadium redevelopment around the time of the "Great Recession"

As for the notion that Cal could have great football talent were it not for our higher admission standards,
I don't think that is the problem. First of all, Cal recruits pretty well. However, by having followed recruiting, I have noticed that Cal offers a lot of athletes who commit elsewhere. When football players are offered by both Oregon and Cal, more often than not they will choose Oregon over Cal.

The biggest financial problem at Cal has to do with less revenue and less private gifting from our boosters.
The other problem is that Cal has a lot of sports to have to support. Put simply, the revenue is too low and the expenses are too high.

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This is why, Saturday, after yet another botched field goal/extra point, I yelled, "That DOES it! Cut baseball!!!"

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LOL--I yelled "fire Rags", which is probably what you really yelled, correct?

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What I yelled doesn't stay on this board after I type it. I have a jar in our living room, which I put a dollar in every time I say a bad word in front of my kids. Lucky for me, I was picking up dinner when we botched the FG in the 2nd quarter, Alone in my car, windows rolled up. Nobody heard anything. Had I been home, there would at least be an Alexander Hamilton in that jar right now, maybe an Andrew Jackson.

The FG attempt towards the end of regulation, I was subdued: It was just a bit beyond his range. We all knew that, even the coaches, but we were hoping for some luck in the air.

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Yeah, I thought that Longetto's kick was pretty accurate considering the distance. It just fell a bit short. Of all our ST problems, I don't think Longetto is one of them.

Big C said:

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heartofthebear said:

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Big C said:

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Strawberry Canyon said:

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I don't think that our University's values or priorities play as big a factor in our football team's performance
as we all prefer to tell ourselves. Virtually all of the Pac 12 athletic departments are primarily or completely self supported through private gifts and revenue produced by football and basketball. Cal has the same basic financial framework as our competitors. The big difference is that Cal incurred considerable debt due to the withdrawal of pledged donation regarding the stadium redevelopment around the time of the "Great Recession"

As for the notion that Cal could have great football talent were it not for our higher admission standards,
I don't think that is the problem. First of all, Cal recruits pretty well. However, by having followed recruiting, I have noticed that Cal offers a lot of athletes who commit elsewhere. When football players are offered by both Oregon and Cal, more often than not they will choose Oregon over Cal.

The biggest financial problem at Cal has to do with less revenue and less private gifting from our boosters.
The other problem is that Cal has a lot of sports to have to support. Put simply, the revenue is too low and the expenses are too high.

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This is why, Saturday, after yet another botched field goal/extra point, I yelled, "That DOES it! Cut baseball!!!"

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LOL--I yelled "fire Rags", which is probably what you really yelled, correct?

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What I yelled doesn't stay on this board after I type it. I have a jar in our living room, which I put a dollar in every time I say a bad word in front of my kids. Lucky for me, I was picking up dinner when we botched the FG in the 2nd quarter, Alone in my car, windows rolled up. Nobody heard anything. Had I been home, there would at least be an Alexander Hamilton in that jar right now, maybe an Andrew Jackson.

The FG attempt towards the end of regulation, I was subdued: It was just a bit beyond his range. We all knew that, even the coaches, but we were hoping for some luck in the air.

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If I had a swear jar in my home I would be in an endless loop toward poverty. "Fuxkin' money in the fuxkin' swear jar. Fuxk that!!!'

One of the top 5 things that bring on seemingly spontaneous strings of emphatic profanity are my Cal in-game flash rants. They just explode out at the moment with "after shock" outbreaks for 24 hours.

heartofthebear said:

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Big C said:

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heartofthebear said:

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Big C said:

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Strawberry Canyon said:

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I don't think that our University's values or priorities play as big a factor in our football team's performance
as we all prefer to tell ourselves. Virtually all of the Pac 12 athletic departments are primarily or completely self supported through private gifts and revenue produced by football and basketball. Cal has the same basic financial framework as our competitors. The big difference is that Cal incurred considerable debt due to the withdrawal of pledged donation regarding the stadium redevelopment around the time of the "Great Recession"

As for the notion that Cal could have great football talent were it not for our higher admission standards,
I don't think that is the problem. First of all, Cal recruits pretty well. However, by having followed recruiting, I have noticed that Cal offers a lot of athletes who commit elsewhere. When football players are offered by both Oregon and Cal, more often than not they will choose Oregon over Cal.

The biggest financial problem at Cal has to do with less revenue and less private gifting from our boosters.
The other problem is that Cal has a lot of sports to have to support. Put simply, the revenue is too low and the expenses are too high.

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This is why, Saturday, after yet another botched field goal/extra point, I yelled, "That DOES it! Cut baseball!!!"

---

LOL--I yelled "fire Rags", which is probably what you really yelled, correct?

---

What I yelled doesn't stay on this board after I type it. I have a jar in our living room, which I put a dollar in every time I say a bad word in front of my kids. Lucky for me, I was picking up dinner when we botched the FG in the 2nd quarter, Alone in my car, windows rolled up. Nobody heard anything. Had I been home, there would at least be an Alexander Hamilton in that jar right now, maybe an Andrew Jackson.

The FG attempt towards the end of regulation, I was subdued: It was just a bit beyond his range. We all knew that, even the coaches, but we were hoping for some luck in the air.

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Yeah, I thought that Longetto's kick was pretty accurate considering the distance. It just fell a bit short. Of all our ST problems, I don't think Longetto is one of them.

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Yeah, I was surprised it was as close as it was. Our FG issues have been longsnapping and protection.

Drive starts on the Cal 20 with 1:16 on the clock. Next thing you know (8 yard completion followed by offensive face mask penalty) it is 2nd and 16 on the Cal 14 with 20 seconds on the clock (only because UW called timeout). That screwed us. The fact we went 49 yards in 18 seconds to even attempt the kick for the win was a minor miracle.

GOLDEN said:

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Cal89 said:

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The Beavs and Cougs have consistently had the worst recruiting classes in the conference (average stars), with the Buffs in the mix too in more recent years.

And it's important to note that those teams had nice stretches of time over-delivering with results or wins well beyond the bottom of the conference; including some years at or near the top of the conference.

Coaching matters. The HC remains the single most important talent on the football team. At the University level, the AD...

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It is Oregon State. Even Erickson and Riley had a few good years over that time. You get to .500 and it is acceptable for their fan base. Expectations are low there with a bowl game every few years. Nothing wrong with that for them. Cougs are the same

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We have beaten Oregon in the past 20 years as often as we have beaten Oregon State. Oregon State has owned us. We are 7-15 against Oregon State since 1999. We are 6-16 against Oregon in the same time.

Only Washington State saves us from being by far the worst in the PAC 12 north. We are the Oregon State of the Pac 12 north...except to us.

82gradDLSdad said:

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Big C said:

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heartofthebear said:

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Big C said:

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Strawberry Canyon said:

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I don't think that our University's values or priorities play as big a factor in our football team's performance
as we all prefer to tell ourselves. Virtually all of the Pac 12 athletic departments are primarily or completely self supported through private gifts and revenue produced by football and basketball. Cal has the same basic financial framework as our competitors. The big difference is that Cal incurred considerable debt due to the withdrawal of pledged donation regarding the stadium redevelopment around the time of the "Great Recession"

As for the notion that Cal could have great football talent were it not for our higher admission standards,
I don't think that is the problem. First of all, Cal recruits pretty well. However, by having followed recruiting, I have noticed that Cal offers a lot of athletes who commit elsewhere. When football players are offered by both Oregon and Cal, more often than not they will choose Oregon over Cal.

The biggest financial problem at Cal has to do with less revenue and less private gifting from our boosters.
The other problem is that Cal has a lot of sports to have to support. Put simply, the revenue is too low and the expenses are too high.

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This is why, Saturday, after yet another botched field goal/extra point, I yelled, "That DOES it! Cut baseball!!!"

---

LOL--I yelled "fire Rags", which is probably what you really yelled, correct?

---

What I yelled doesn't stay on this board after I type it. I have a jar in our living room, which I put a dollar in every time I say a bad word in front of my kids. Lucky for me, I was picking up dinner when we botched the FG in the 2nd quarter, Alone in my car, windows rolled up. Nobody heard anything. Had I been home, there would at least be an Alexander Hamilton in that jar right now, maybe an Andrew Jackson.

The FG attempt towards the end of regulation, I was subdued: It was just a bit beyond his range. We all knew that, even the coaches, but we were hoping for some luck in the air.

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If I had a swear jar in my home I would be in an endless loop toward poverty. "Fuxkin' money in the fuxkin' swear jar. Fuxk that!!!'


'effen word!

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socaliganbear said:

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Oregon State has a better athletics program, ours is just bigger.

Football
Basketball
Baseball
W Basketball

Oregon state is better at all of the highest profile sports.

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I was curious about your statements about Cal v. Oregon State in football and basketball. I understand the last couple of years have not been good for us, but Cal leads in all time wins in both football and basketball. Basketball is actually not even close (23-11).

GoldenBearofCalifornia said:

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socaliganbear said:

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Oregon State has a better athletics program, ours is just bigger.

Football
Basketball
Baseball
W Basketball

Oregon state is better at all of the highest profile sports.

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I was curious about your statements about Cal v. Oregon State in football and basketball. I understand the last couple of years have not been good for us, but Cal leads in all time wins in both football and basketball. Basketball is actually not even close (23-11).

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Cool, let's see if we can get a better bowl than them based on some of Pappy's wins.

In this era, they're superior.