Cal's Offense (Aug - Sep 2021)

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Cal89
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Four games into the season, our next game to be in October, the drop in defensive production, particularly against the pass is the biggest unfortunate surprise. For a defensive-minded HC, I have to think this will improve, and hopefully soon...

Thankfully there has been a very pleasant surprise with the offense. Yards per play is generally recognized as one of the best single metrics to ascertain offensive effectiveness. On average we currently have a 53/47 pass/run ratio. Pretty darn balanced and certainly not pass-heavy. Nationally, an average gain for an attempted pass is about 7.2 yards, while on the ground, the average gain is about 4.2...

Games through September under JW - offense yards/play:

2017 - #96 5.21
2018 - #103 5.23
2019 - #105 5.13
2020 - #123 4.47 (pandemic season, just four games)

For this season, a noteworthy improvement:

2021 - #34 6.68

We have a veteran QB, and that helps, but I think we'd also all agree he's not showing signs of being the next AR or Goff. It also doesn't seem that we possess rare talent at the other skill positions. Meaning, we are being pretty darn effective without star players. To this point... kudos to Musgrave.

For reference, SD, in his last three seasons, with NFL QBs and receivers, averaged about the same in those Aug/Sep games at 6.85 yards per play. All four seasons under SD, the average was a bit less than now at 6.45.

Under JT, in his last four years here (2009-2012), 6.24 was the best, in 2009...

Another metric I like is 3rd down efficiency. We are in the top 30 with a conversion rate over 47%. Since 2009, only once did we start better going into Oct, and that was in 2015.

The offense is nothing to aspire to of course, but relative to others in FBS, it's actually pretty good; and certainly compared to our recent past, a noteworthy improvement. If matched with a more customary JW D for which we grew accustomed the previous years, this team is likely undefeated.

There's every reason to be critical of Cal performance because 1-3 merits such, but the offense is indeed a bright spot. Being in the bottom half of FBS with respect to penalties (102nd in yards) and TO margin is very much contributory; and like having a poor defense to this point, that too is uncharacteristic of our JW teams in prior years. I want to believe at least some these shortcomings are correctable, and if so, the wins will follow...

The Cougs are 89th in D (yards per play allowed) and 91st in on offense (yards per play). Cal wins this Saturday, and it better not be a nail-bitter...
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heartofthebear
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So overall our average gain per play is close to the national average for passing.
Do you know what our average gain per play is passing and rushing?
Cal89
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heartofthebear said:

So overall our average gain per play is close to the national average for passing.
Do you know what our average gain per play is passing and rushing?
Observant. Yup, for rushing we are averaging 5.45 yds/carry, good for 16th nationally, I believe 3rd in the Pac...

You can see and play with such stuff here:

http://www.cfbstats.com/2021/leader/national/team/offense/split01/category01/sort02.html

Edit/Add - In my haste, for passing...

7.8 yards per attempted pass, better than average, 59th...

http://www.cfbstats.com/2021/leader/national/team/offense/split01/category02/sort04.html
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Sonofafurd
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We finally got that average P5 offense we've been hoping for.

If only we had a defense to match.
Cal89
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Sonofafurd said:

We finally got that average P5 offense we've been hoping for.

If only we had a defense to match.
Yup, basically. But, as noted, we are actually better than average, as hard as that might be to believe...
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Big C
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Sonofafurd said:

We finally got that average P5 offense we've been hoping for.

If only we had a defense to match.

Exactly. That was the plan for success this season:

+ Keep the defense at good/very good
+ Get the offense up to average/above average
+ Get special teams up to not-losing-us-games

We're batting .333 on these. Too bad this isn't baseball.
heartofthebear
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Sonofafurd said:

We finally got that average P5 offense we've been hoping for.

If only we had a defense to match.
We don't seem to be able to coach both sides of the ball at once.
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heartofthebear said:

Sonofafurd said:

We finally got that average P5 offense we've been hoping for.

If only we had a defense to match.
We don't seem to be able to coach both sides of the ball at once.


Last time we had a Top 50 Offense and a Top 50 Defense (ESPN effeciency ranking) was 2011 and we had that nearly ever year under Tedford before that (2008 the Offense was #51 but the defense was #5).

Here is Cal's Overall Ranking Nationally and in the PAC-12
2005 #27 (5) 2 Top 10 teams
2006 #7 (2) 2 Top 10 Teams (Cal was one)
2007 #26 (5) 2 Top 10 Teams
2008 #17 (3) 1 Top 10 team
2009 #44 (6) No top 10 teams
2010 #43 (7) 2 Top 10 Teams
2011 #26 (4) 3 Top 10 Teams
2012 #69 (10) 1 Top 10 team
2013 #109 (12) 2 Top 10 Teams
2014 #51 (9) 1 Top 10 Team
2015 #28 (6) 1 Top 10 Team
2016 #66 (9) 2 Top 10 Teams
2017 #63 (10) 1 Top 10 team
2018 #54 (7) 1 Top 10 team
2019 #45 (7) 1 Top 10 team
2020 #75 (10) 1 Top 10 team
2021 #69 (8) 0 Top 10 teams

Cal has been top 30
2003
2004
2005
2006
2007
2008
.
.
2011
.
.
.
2015
.
.
.
.
.
?
Clearly we had something good with Tedford until we didn't, though it was still better (until his last year) than what we have had since. Tedford's lone bright(ish) spot after 2008 was 2011.
heartofthebear
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calumnus said:

heartofthebear said:

Sonofafurd said:

We finally got that average P5 offense we've been hoping for.

If only we had a defense to match.
We don't seem to be able to coach both sides of the ball at once.


Last time we had a Top 50 Offense and a Top 50 Defense (ESPN effeciency ranking) was 2011 and we had that nearly ever year under Tedford before that (2008 the Offense was #51 but the defense was #5).

Here is Cal's Overall Ranking Nationally and in the PAC-12
2005 #27 (5)
2006 #7 (2)
2007 #26 (5)
2008 #17 (3)
2009 #44 (6)
2010 #43 (7)
2011 #26 (4)
2012 #69 (10)
2013 #109 (12)
2014 #51 (9)
2015 #28 (6)
2016 #66 (9)
2017 #63 (10)
2018 #54 (7)
2019 #45 (7)
2020 #75 (10)
2021 #69 (8)
and we still went 5-7 in 2010 and 6-6 in 2007 in the regular season. But yeah, JT was the guy. I was a season ticket holder then. Nowadays I go to 1 or 2 games a year. Sometimes I wonder what JT would have done had he not been let go in 2012. He had health issues for sure and I really wanted him replaced. But I'm sure he could have done better than Dykes. Folks forget that Cal went head to head against Ohio St. in JTs last year and really should have been allowed to tie the game (bogus call) and the following year Cal was blown out at home by Ohio St., even though Goff was a much better QB than Maynard was the year prior. Cal had lots of talent on the roster in 2013 and didn't win a single conference game. Of course many players on defense left.

At the same time, Dykes is doing a nice job coaching at SMU and will likely have them ranked by the end of the year. I don't know what to make of Wilcox. Maybe a lot of it is too much assistant coach turnover. Would we be having the defensive problems we're having if we had the same defensive coaches as last year? I don't think so. I still think that not retaining assistant coaches is one of our main problems as a program. Maybe we don't value them enough.
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calumnus said:

heartofthebear said:

Sonofafurd said:

We finally got that average P5 offense we've been hoping for.

If only we had a defense to match.
We don't seem to be able to coach both sides of the ball at once.


Last time we had a Top 50 Offense and a Top 50 Defense (ESPN effeciency ranking) was 2011 and we had that nearly ever year under Tedford before that (2008 the Offense was #51 but the defense was #5).

Here is Cal's Overall Ranking Nationally and in the PAC-12
2005 #27 (5) 2 Top 10 teams
2006 #7 (2) 2 Top 10 Teams (Cal was one)
2007 #26 (5) 2 Top 10 Teams
2008 #17 (3) 1 Top 10 team
2009 #44 (6) No top 10 teams
2010 #43 (7) 2 Top 10 Teams
2011 #26 (4) 3 Top 10 Teams
2012 #69 (10) 1 Top 10 team
2013 #109 (12) 2 Top 10 Teams
2014 #51 (9) 1 Top 10 Team
2015 #28 (6) 1 Top 10 Team
2016 #66 (9) 2 Top 10 Teams
2017 #63 (10) 1 Top 10 team
2018 #54 (7) 1 Top 10 team
2019 #45 (7) 1 Top 10 team
2020 #75 (10) 1 Top 10 team
2021 #69 (8) 0 Top 10 teams

Cal has been top 30
2003
2004
2005
2006
2007
2008
.
.
2011
.
.
.
2015
.
.
.
.
.
?
Clearly we had something good with Tedford until we didn't, though it was still better (until his last year) than what we have had since. Tedford's lone bright(ish) spot after 2008 was 2011.
Thank you. I was wanting to do something like that; and still might, even beyond Cal possibly..
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heartofthebear said:

calumnus said:

heartofthebear said:

Sonofafurd said:

We finally got that average P5 offense we've been hoping for.

If only we had a defense to match.
We don't seem to be able to coach both sides of the ball at once.


Last time we had a Top 50 Offense and a Top 50 Defense (ESPN effeciency ranking) was 2011 and we had that nearly ever year under Tedford before that (2008 the Offense was #51 but the defense was #5).

Here is Cal's Overall Ranking Nationally and in the PAC-12
2005 #27 (5)
2006 #7 (2)
2007 #26 (5)
2008 #17 (3)
2009 #44 (6)
2010 #43 (7)
2011 #26 (4)
2012 #69 (10)
2013 #109 (12)
2014 #51 (9)
2015 #28 (6)
2016 #66 (9)
2017 #63 (10)
2018 #54 (7)
2019 #45 (7)
2020 #75 (10)
2021 #69 (8)
and we still went 5-7 in 2010 and 6-6 in 2007 in the regular season. But yeah, JT was the guy. I was a season ticket holder then. Nowadays I go to 1 or 2 games a year. Sometimes I wonder what JT would have done had he not been let go in 2012. He had health issues for sure and I really wanted him replaced. But I'm sure he could have done better than Dykes. Folks forget that Cal went head to head against Ohio St. in JTs last year and really should have been allowed to tie the game (bogus call) and the following year Cal was blown out at home by Ohio St., even though Goff was a much better QB than Maynard was the year prior. Cal had lots of talent on the roster in 2013 and didn't win a single conference game. Of course many players on defense left.

At the same time, Dykes is doing a nice job coaching at SMU and will likely have them ranked by the end of the year. I don't know what to make of Wilcox. Maybe a lot of it is too much assistant coach turnover. Would we be having the defensive problems we're having if we had the same defensive coaches as last year? I don't think so. I still think that not retaining assistant coaches is one of our main problems as a program. Maybe we don't value them enough.


Teams in the 40s and 50s are mediocre PAC-12 teams. Teams in the 30s are competitive. Teams in the teens are contenders. It used to be there were regularly 2 Top 10 teams in the PAC -12, now it is usually only one, and it changes every year which does not establish a name team. The overall win loss is highly dependent on the OOC schedule which has been particular weak under Wilcox. Similarly Wilcox faces the most beatable PAC-12 since the one Holmoe faced in the late 90s.

2011 was brutal, we were the 26th best team in the country but the PAC-12 had 3 Top 10 teams. The next year Maynard played well against Ohio State. We lost on bad calls and head scratcher coaching decisions, not going for it and missing FGs and benching Bigelow and not even using him as a decoy after he torched them twice in two carries was baffling. Maynard's injury sunk the 2012 team.it already had the worst defense of any Tedford team and Bridgford was a disaster. Tedford should have burned Kline's redshirt.

2013 was a disaster on all fronts.

The rise of Stanford under Harbaugh/Shaw especially on top of USC/UCLA, Oregon under Kelly and since, UW under Peterson, was brutal for Cal football. That is mostly gone now, but the damage was done.
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Kline couldn't even win the starting job at northern Wherever.

And he would have been Cal's starter if not for Goff, and later, Webb.
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calumnus said:

heartofthebear said:

calumnus said:

heartofthebear said:

Sonofafurd said:

We finally got that average P5 offense we've been hoping for.

If only we had a defense to match.
We don't seem to be able to coach both sides of the ball at once.


Last time we had a Top 50 Offense and a Top 50 Defense (ESPN effeciency ranking) was 2011 and we had that nearly ever year under Tedford before that (2008 the Offense was #51 but the defense was #5).

Here is Cal's Overall Ranking Nationally and in the PAC-12
2005 #27 (5)
2006 #7 (2)
2007 #26 (5)
2008 #17 (3)
2009 #44 (6)
2010 #43 (7)
2011 #26 (4)
2012 #69 (10)
2013 #109 (12)
2014 #51 (9)
2015 #28 (6)
2016 #66 (9)
2017 #63 (10)
2018 #54 (7)
2019 #45 (7)
2020 #75 (10)
2021 #69 (8)
and we still went 5-7 in 2010 and 6-6 in 2007 in the regular season. But yeah, JT was the guy. I was a season ticket holder then. Nowadays I go to 1 or 2 games a year. Sometimes I wonder what JT would have done had he not been let go in 2012. He had health issues for sure and I really wanted him replaced. But I'm sure he could have done better than Dykes. Folks forget that Cal went head to head against Ohio St. in JTs last year and really should have been allowed to tie the game (bogus call) and the following year Cal was blown out at home by Ohio St., even though Goff was a much better QB than Maynard was the year prior. Cal had lots of talent on the roster in 2013 and didn't win a single conference game. Of course many players on defense left.

At the same time, Dykes is doing a nice job coaching at SMU and will likely have them ranked by the end of the year. I don't know what to make of Wilcox. Maybe a lot of it is too much assistant coach turnover. Would we be having the defensive problems we're having if we had the same defensive coaches as last year? I don't think so. I still think that not retaining assistant coaches is one of our main problems as a program. Maybe we don't value them enough.


Teams in the 40s and 50s are mediocre PAC-12 teams. Teams in the 30s are competitive. Teams in the teens are contenders. It used to be there were regularly 2 Top 10 teams in the PAC -12, now it is usually only one, and it changes every year which does not establish a name team. The overall win loss is highly dependent on the OOC schedule which has been particular weak under Wilcox. Similarly Wilcox faces the most beatable PAC-12 since the one Holmoe faced in the late 90s.

2011 was brutal, we were the 26th best team in the country but the PAC-12 had 3 Top 10 teams. The next year Maynard played well against Ohio State. We lost on bad calls and head scratcher coaching decisions, not going for it and missing FGs and benching Bigelow and not even using him as a decoy after he torched them twice in two carries was baffling. Maynard's injury sunk the 2012 team.it already had the worst defense of any Tedford team and Bridgford was a disaster. Tedford should have burned Kline's redshirt.

2013 was a disaster on all fronts.

The rise of Stanford under Harbaugh/Shaw especially on top of USC/UCLA, Oregon under Kelly and since, UW under Peterson, was brutal for Cal football. That is mostly gone now, but the damage was done.
Not to change the subject but I sometimes wonder if it goes beyond coaching. I definitely think coaching is part of it. But we have had some chronic problems that cut across coaching regimes. I'm talking about performing in the clutch and winning the moment.
Games like Cal @ USC in 2004
Cal had an excellent offense in 2006 and got 9 points @ USC.
Cal lost to a mediocre Arizona team in Tucson in 2006
2007 Oregon St. had no business even being close and Cal had to engage in a frantic comeback just to be close enough for us to all blame Riley for the loss.
2010 we had 5 wins with 3 to go and lost them all, letting teams score on us late 2 of the 3 games.
I could go on past the Tedford era, 2015 losing to Utah when we were on the brink of reaching 6-0 for the first time in forever.
...countless close losses to UCLA over the decades.
The 3 close losses this year are all too typical.


It's as if there is some mad scientistic or sadistic headmaster passive-aggressively pulling the levers as he angrily punishes all of us Cal fans just for having hope and expectation. As if those are crimes punishable by inflicting on us all the heartbreak that has become the hallmark of Cal football. Heck the voice of Cal football, Joe Starkey himself, announces games as if it is a soap opera of pending heartbreak.

It's a good thing there are other sports, other teams and other events because otherwise I'd be quite destroyed by now. I have learned that following Cal football as a sport is hazardous to one's health. I no longer do that. I follow it as a curious phenomenon--a mystery that, like truth itself, is ephemeral and can never be fully understood.
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Bobodeluxe said:

Kline couldn't even win the starting job at northern Wherever.

And he would have been Cal's starter if not for Goff, and later, Webb.



Well after going 44 of 100 (44%) for 451 yards with 1 TD and 3 Int for an 80 passing rating at Cal, Bridgford transferred to Southern Miss where he went 112 of 207 (54%) for 1,133 yards with 6 TDS and 11 Int for a 99 passing rating.

At Cal in 2013 Zach Kline went 43 of 83 (52%) for 443 yards 3 TDs and 4 Int for a 100 passing rating. He ended up playing for DeRuyter and Kiesau at Fresno State in 2016 where he went an almost identical 42 of 79 (53%} for 523 yards 0 TDS and 2 Int for a 104 passing rating. Marginally better than Bridgford, but better.

Cal Career QB ratings under Tedford, Dykes and Wilcox*:
1. Robertson 166
2. Rodgers 150
3. Levy 146
4. Goff 144
5. Webb 136
6. Garbers 133
7. Longshore 132
8. Riley 132
9. Maynard 128
10. Boller 126
11. Rubenzer 126
12. Bowers 120
13. Ayoob 114
14. McIlwain 104
15. Modster 104
16. Rowell 103
17. Sweeney 101
18. Kline 100
19. Mansion 85
20. Bridgford 80
21. Hinder 63
22. Brasch 52

*Does not include Boller's and Robertson's play under Holmoe. If included:
Robertson 136
Boller 108
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I think losing Brett Johnson has had a pretty significant effect on our defense. Johnson is just one of those special players that can continually collapse a pocket.
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MinotStateBeav said:

I think losing Brett Johnson has had a pretty significant effect on our defense. Johnson is just one of those special players that can continually collapse a pocket.



It was fortunate that we got Bequette back, he was a major factor in our 2018 defense. Crazy that he was on the same team as Goff in 2015.
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I would like to see the data for the defense
How (are) you gonna win when you ain’t right within…
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going4roses said:

I would like to see the data for the defense


Cal Defensive Efficiency Rank National and PAC-12:
2014 #98 (12)
2015 #57 (7)
2016 #119 (12)
2017 #53 (6)
2018 #8 (1)
2019 #31 (4)
2020 #21 (3)
2021 #102 (11)

That the defense has fallen off so drastically has nullified the marked improvement in our offense.
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calumnus said:

going4roses said:

I would like to see the data for the defense


Cal Defensive Efficiency Rank National and PAC-12:
2014 #98 (12)
2015 #57 (7)
2016 #119 (12)
2017 #53 (6)
2018 #8 (1)
2019 #31 (4)
2020 #21 (3)
2021 #102 (11)

That the defense has fallen off so drastically has nullified the marked improvement in our offense.


Thanks
Yes the flip flop is definitely no bueno

Losing Chris Palmer /Heavy TDR (base 3-4 sets/run stopping/great tackling.. etc)
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