Wanted to start a separate thread. I think it's a good move with the OL being the first thing to fix. It is such a Wilcox move, hire someone who was a former Cal assistant who coached at Oregon. I was hoping Chris Petersen could come out retirement to do some consulting, like Tedford did at UW.

Did Wilcox say when he will be on campus?

Well . . . it's something, I guess.

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Well . . . it's something, I guess.

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The reason why Wilcox never exceeds expectations is that everything he does is safe and comfortable. Nothing slightly risky in hopes of an upside.

So...is Greatwood also calling plays too, because that's the other big hole that needs to be filled.

I'd feel marginally better if he was taking over as OL coach, not just acting as a consultant. Is he allowed to be on the field and work with players or will he just be behind the scene critiquing technique and schemes?

Our offense back when Greatwood was OL coach still stunk. Are we to now believe a combination of Musgrave + Greatwood + the current crop of players will yield much better results than Baldwin + Greatwood + our old players?

First: is it (Greatwood coming in as advisor) a done deal, or still a rumor?

If a done deal, it is definitely a start. Greatwood's rep as an OL coach is impeccable. Although I also seem to recall that when he coached OL here last (before retiring), our OL was not particularly great. Is there a chance that he was and is beyond his prime at this point? Plenty of people have talked about how the game has passed Musgrave by --- I don't know if OL technique changes nearly so radically...

This is like taking dead wood from a burnt out fire. I honestly don't see him doing anything that will make a difference in these kids play over the next 6 games. But who knows - we all know how bad McClure is. But we also know how bad (talent level & depth) the OLine is. Perhaps it's Wilcox's nice way of weeding Angus out. Hmmmm......And he'll hire another after the UCLA game.

Typical Wilcox move, if true. This is just putting some cheap paint on rotten, decayed wood. Won't do a darn thing to improve the performance of the team. Just another example of why Wilcox is not up to the job.

i posted this in the other thread:

Look. i am glad something is done. Props to Wilcox for caring (the bar is so low)

But were we too proud to do this at the beginning of this season? too proud to do this after the ND game? After the WSU game?

We had to wait until we lost to the WORST TEAM in the entire country before acting? So you are telling me that we threw away our season because of pride. Got it.

Agree 100%. Wilcox's way of doing this is so bleeping ballsless. . I was taught during my teenage years that a man's man is not a yes man but one who has pride, self respect, etc...Who do we have strolling our sideline? Hmmm......

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So...is Greatwood also calling plays too, because that's the other big hole that needs to be filled.

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First hole is the o-line. Second is the play calling/scheme.

Is lipstick on a pig an appropriate analogy?

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i posted this in the other thread:

Look. i am glad something is done. Props to Wilcox for caring (the bar is so low)

But were we too proud to do this at the beginning of this season? too proud to do this after the ND game? After the WSU game?

We had to wait until we lost to the WORST TEAM in the entire country before acting? So you are telling me that we threw away our season because of pride. Got it.

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Two things that Wilcox has are pride and loyalty. Two things Sonny does not have. Look at where Sonny is haha. Not saying Sonny is the better man. I think Wilcox is. But Sonny right now is the better football coach.

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Arcadiabear said:

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i posted this in the other thread:

Look. i am glad something is done. Props to Wilcox for caring (the bar is so low)

But were we too proud to do this at the beginning of this season? too proud to do this after the ND game? After the WSU game?

We had to wait until we lost to the WORST TEAM in the entire country before acting? So you are telling me that we threw away our season because of pride. Got it.

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Two things that Wilcox has are pride and loyalty. Two things Sonny does not have. Look at where Sonny is haha. Not saying Sonny is the better man. I think Wilcox is. But Sonny right now is the better football coach.

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I agree with you, of course we want the best man who is the #1 winner.

but its a business where wins are rewarded.

there is a fine line between pride and arrogance

Had a pretty low bar for things that Wilcy might announce that would get me excited and now despite receiving Greatwood I'm feeling unenthusiastically limp.

1+1=0.

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Had a pretty low bar for things that Wilcy might announce that would get me excited and now despite receiving Greatwood I'm feeling unenthusiastically limp.

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TMI

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First: is it (Greatwood coming in as advisor) a done deal, or still a rumor?

If a done deal, it is definitely a start. Greatwood's rep as an OL coach is impeccable. Although I also seem to recall that when he coached OL here last (before retiring), our OL was not particularly great. Is there a chance that he was and is beyond his prime at this point? Plenty of people have talked about how the game has passed Musgrave by --- I don't know if OL technique changes nearly so radically...

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OL coaches are usually judged by who they've coached. For the amount of time he's been at Oregon, not a whole lotta players were developed! How many guys has he put in the NFL? NOT impressed at all!

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Wanted to start a separate thread. I think it's a good move with the OL being the first thing to fix. It is such a Wilcox move, hire someone who was a former Cal assistant who coached at Oregon. I was hoping Chris Petersen could come out retirement to do some consulting, like Tedford did at UW.

Did Wilcox say when he will be on campus?

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Our offense with Greatwood coaching the OL was one of the worst in the country. He was not the solution then, so why would he be the solution now? Should we bring back Baldwin as a consultant for Musgrave?

Moreover, I don't think consultants can work with the players, they can only work with the coaches. Only coaches can work with the players. What is Greatwood going to tell McClure? Just anotger waste of Cal's money.

I was hoping McClure would get fired and 3 time All Pro Tarik Glenn would get promoted to OL Coach from his current administrative position, not because it will make an immediate impact, but because it will start to make a longer term impact, especially in recruiting.

The only short term impact is going to come from better playcalling.

Feels like we're chasing short term incremental improvements rather building for the future. The odds of being able to salvage the rest of this season feels fleeting at best.

Another example to me that Wilcox doesn't know what the bleep he's doing. Just grabbing straws. In way over his head.

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Feels like we're chasing short term incremental improvements rather building for the future. The odds of being able to salvage the rest of this season feels fleeting at best.

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Running Ott up the middle against a stacked box on first down with the OL outmanned 9 to 5 will not be more effective with better OL techniques.

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pingpong2 said:

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Feels like we're chasing short term incremental improvements rather building for the future. The odds of being able to salvage the rest of this season feels fleeting at best.

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Running Ott up the middle against a stacked box on first down with the OL outmanned 9 to 5 will not be more effective with better OL techniques.

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Expect an announcement on play calling soon. As Wilcox noted, Greenwood s just one short term change, and there will be more long term changes, as he also noted. The good news (if you can call it that), is it is pertly clear what is in place on the offensive side of the ball doesn't work.

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calumnus said:

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pingpong2 said:

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Feels like we're chasing short term incremental improvements rather building for the future. The odds of being able to salvage the rest of this season feels fleeting at best.

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Running Ott up the middle against a stacked box on first down with the OL outmanned 9 to 5 will not be more effective with better OL techniques.

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Expect an announcement on play calling soon. As Wilcox noted, Greenwood s just one short term change, and there will be more long term changes, as he also noted. The good news (if you can call it that), is it is pertly clear what is in place on the offensive side of the ball doesn't work.

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Ok, if there is going to be a change on the play calling side I will have some hope, because I don't think bringing back Greatwood alone moves the needle.

To the OP my thought is this: Before Colorado Wilcox stated that no new people or consultants would be brought in. Then Colorado happened and Ott and/or Plummer, or someone repping Ott and/or Plummer walked into Wilcox's office and said "I'm not staying at Cal behind this OL because I don't want to get killed out there". So Wilcox got on the phone and brought in Greatwood.

Personally I don't recall Greatwood living up to his name at Cal. But I suppose it will help.

At least there is now an official acknowledgment on the part of Wilcox that McClure's days are probably numbered.

It wouldn't surprise me if McClure retires and Cal is "forced" to bring in Glenn mid season.

But now I'm just dreaming aren't I?

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Another example to me that Wilcox doesn't know what the bleep he's doing. Just grabbing straws. In way over his head.

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When your coaching tree can be written on a 1x1 piece of paper and you have no coaching connections to speak of, what can u do ?

Arcadiabear said:

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Dgoldnbaer said:

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Another example to me that Wilcox doesn't know what the bleep he's doing. Just grabbing straws. In way over his head.

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When your coaching tree can be written on a 1x1 piece of paper and you have no coaching connections to speak of, what can u do ?

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The word was he has good coaching connections but, when he brings in the only other OL coach he had at Cal to help the current and only other OL he's had at Cal, one has to wonder just how many coaches he's connected to. Of course his options are limited mid-season so he had to call a guy who's retired. But still...

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Arcadiabear said:

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Dgoldnbaer said:

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Another example to me that Wilcox doesn't know what the bleep he's doing. Just grabbing straws. In way over his head.

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When your coaching tree can be written on a 1x1 piece of paper and you have no coaching connections to speak of, what can u do ?

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The word was he has good coaching connections but, when he brings in the only other OL coach he had at Cal to help the current and only other OL he's had at Cal, one has to wonder just how many coaches he's connected to. Of course his options are limited mid-season so he had to call a guy who's retired. But still...

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3 time Pro Bowl offensive lineman Tarik Glenn is already on staff but in an administrative (non-coaching) position.

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Arcadiabear said:

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Dgoldnbaer said:

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Another example to me that Wilcox doesn't know what the bleep he's doing. Just grabbing straws. In way over his head.

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When your coaching tree can be written on a 1x1 piece of paper and you have no coaching connections to speak of, what can u do ?

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The word was he has good coaching connections but, when he brings in the only other OL coach he had at Cal to help the current and only other OL he's had at Cal, one has to wonder just how many coaches he's connected to. Of course his options are limited mid-season so he had to call a guy who's retired. But still...

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I'm kinda sick of us "stealing" talent from the Ducks. Wake me up when we get the one guy from there that could help us (besides Uncle Phil): Mark Helfrich

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heartofthebear said:

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Arcadiabear said:

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Dgoldnbaer said:

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Another example to me that Wilcox doesn't know what the bleep he's doing. Just grabbing straws. In way over his head.

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When your coaching tree can be written on a 1x1 piece of paper and you have no coaching connections to speak of, what can u do ?

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The word was he has good coaching connections but, when he brings in the only other OL coach he had at Cal to help the current and only other OL he's had at Cal, one has to wonder just how many coaches he's connected to. Of course his options are limited mid-season so he had to call a guy who's retired. But still...

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I'm kinda sick of us "stealing" talent from the Ducks. Wake me up when we get the one guy from there that could help us (besides Uncle Phil): Mark Helfrich

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Tedford was "stolen" from the ducks.

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Big C said:

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heartofthebear said:

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Arcadiabear said:

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Dgoldnbaer said:

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Another example to me that Wilcox doesn't know what the bleep he's doing. Just grabbing straws. In way over his head.

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When your coaching tree can be written on a 1x1 piece of paper and you have no coaching connections to speak of, what can u do ?

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The word was he has good coaching connections but, when he brings in the only other OL coach he had at Cal to help the current and only other OL he's had at Cal, one has to wonder just how many coaches he's connected to. Of course his options are limited mid-season so he had to call a guy who's retired. But still...

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I'm kinda sick of us "stealing" coaching talent from the Ducks. Wake me up when we get the one guy from there that could help us (besides Uncle Phil): Mark Helfrich

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Tedford was "stolen" from the ducks.

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Okay, good point.

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heartofthebear said:

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Arcadiabear said:

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Dgoldnbaer said:

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Another example to me that Wilcox doesn't know what the bleep he's doing. Just grabbing straws. In way over his head.

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When your coaching tree can be written on a 1x1 piece of paper and you have no coaching connections to speak of, what can u do ?

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The word was he has good coaching connections but, when he brings in the only other OL coach he had at Cal to help the current and only other OL he's had at Cal, one has to wonder just how many coaches he's connected to. Of course his options are limited mid-season so he had to call a guy who's retired. But still...

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I'm kinda sick of us "stealing" talent from the Ducks. Wake me up when we get the one guy from there that could help us (besides Uncle Phil): Mark Helfrich

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Are you out of your mind?