Looks like Coach Prime has already had a major impact on Colorado's academics.

From the Denver Post: "In the past, CU's academic standards, in terms of the type of transfer credits it accepted, made it difficult for coaches to recruit second- and third-year transfers from other schools and get them eligible to play right away."

Not TWO MONTHS AGO the CU Chancellor said they didn't need to change their academics to appeal to Transfer Portal athletes.

Now, after going all in with Coach Prime, they are singing a different tune.

For those saying attracting Transfer Portal players is about more than bags of NIL cash...you're 100% correct.

The Deion Sanders storyline we are all sleeping on…#CoachPrime #CUBuffs pic.twitter.com/50Lhe19uSm

— Max Browne (@MaxBrowne4) December 7, 2022

Link to the full Denver Post article quoted:

Deion Sanders reaps instant rewards as Colorado changes transfer policy https://t.co/EeDJczSDoy

— The Denver Post (@denverpost) December 5, 2022

Sounds like Boulder will no longer be the Berkeley of the Rockies. Sounds like they are emulating Phil Knights Oregon program........

NVBear78 said:

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Sounds like Boulder will no longer be the Berkeley of the Rockies. Sounds like they are emulating Phil Knights Oregon program........

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Boulder was never the Berkeley of the Rockies. On a very good day it was the Santa Cruz of the Rockies. Frankly, there is no Berkeley of the Rockies. Maybe U of Utah on a very, very good day with a lot of squinting.

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Sounds like Boulder will no longer be the Berkeley of the Rockies. Sounds like they are emulating Phil Knights Oregon program........

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Berkeley of the Rockies? CU has been for many years now, a place where white upper-middle class families from California park their average performing kids.

CalGrad95 said:

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Looks like Coach Prime has already had a major impact on Colorado's academics.

From the Denver Post: "In the past, CU's academic standards, in terms of the type of transfer credits it accepted, made it difficult for coaches to recruit second- and third-year transfers from other schools and get them eligible to play right away."

Not TWO MONTHS AGO the CU Chancellor said they didn't need to change their academics to appeal to Transfer Portal athletes.

Now, after going all in with Coach Prime, they are singing a different tune.

For those saying attracting Transfer Portal players is about more than bags of NIL cash...you're 100% correct.

The Deion Sanders storyline we are all sleeping on…#CoachPrime #CUBuffs pic.twitter.com/50Lhe19uSm

— Max Browne (@MaxBrowne4) December 7, 2022

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Max Browne is a Cal-hating ******bag who I really don't like, but I'm happy he gave light to this. What an amazing illustration of the power of big-time athletics for good and bad.....

CalGrad95 said:

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Link to the full Denver Post article quoted:

Deion Sanders reaps instant rewards as Colorado changes transfer policy https://t.co/EeDJczSDoy

— The Denver Post (@denverpost) December 5, 2022

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This is behind a paywall.

juarezbear said:

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CalGrad95 said:

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Link to the full Denver Post article quoted:

Deion Sanders reaps instant rewards as Colorado changes transfer policy https://t.co/EeDJczSDoy

— The Denver Post (@denverpost) December 5, 2022

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This is behind a paywall.

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Here's a direct link to the article - I didn't experience a paywall:

Deion Sanders reaps instant rewards as Colorado changes transfer policy

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CalGrad95 said:

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Looks like Coach Prime has already had a major impact on Colorado's academics.

From the Denver Post: "In the past, CU's academic standards, in terms of the type of transfer credits it accepted, made it difficult for coaches to recruit second- and third-year transfers from other schools and get them eligible to play right away."

Not TWO MONTHS AGO the CU Chancellor said they didn't need to change their academics to appeal to Transfer Portal athletes.

Now, after going all in with Coach Prime, they are singing a different tune.

For those saying attracting Transfer Portal players is about more than bags of NIL cash...you're 100% correct.

The Deion Sanders storyline we are all sleeping on…#CoachPrime #CUBuffs pic.twitter.com/50Lhe19uSm

— Max Browne (@MaxBrowne4) December 7, 2022

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What an amazing illustration of the power of big-time athletics for good and bad.....

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And what is good about it?

It was always strange how hard it was to transfer into CU given that a lot of their lower division classes aren't exactly tough. How can one ski and drink and smoke 6 days a week while costing mom and dad 60k/yr if them classes get in the way? I had heard a lot of the campus wide transfer rules had to do with allowing external classes count towards a major - CU rakes in money from out of state tuition and wants all classes taken at CU. So they let transfers in, but they partially start over and retake classes if the classes aren't vetted, that's more tuition money. By NCAA standards a student must meet a certain % of degree applicable classes towards their major, so transfers would have a hard time being immediately eligible if any classes didn't transfer, even if they had done well in their prior classes. I don't think they actually lowered the standards of admissions, just changed the rules on the acceptance of external classes.

California probably has a similar requirement - but Cal and UCLA might have more flexible majors? The CA State Educational Master Plan also dictates that CA CC classes are vetted and approved for immediate transfer over to UC degree requirement, but I have to wonder if UC doesn't have similar blockages to transfers. CC's are going to be less and less important for transfers as the portal opens up D1->D1 as the primary means to transfer. Hope Cal has someone in the AD that understands how UCLA gets their transfers in and to what majors, etc. I guess the question is UCLA admitting transfer students that have essentially no chance of graduating due to their previous external class or do they have majors that allow transfer credit to count to that major? Details are important! There are ways to change bureaucratic rules to be smoother, but not lower overall standards.

Ouch.

Not every PSA has had the same opportunities to earn entry into university, so why should we prevent them from getting an education? The majority of these individuals are minorities, and a huge portion of those come from low income (read: low opportunity) situations. You weren't born rich and white so you could go to prep school and get into Michigan instead of Saginaw Valley State, too bad, you don't meet our standards!

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Not every PSA has had the same opportunities to earn entry into university, so why should we prevent them from getting an education? The majority of these individuals are minorities, and a huge portion of those come from low income (read: low opportunity) situations. You weren't born rich and white so you could go to prep school and get into Michigan instead of Saginaw Valley State, too bad, you don't meet our standards!

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These days universities have developed strategies to increase enrollment by students who were disadvantaged in terms of opportunities and Cal has been a leader and national model in this regard under Chancellor Christ: https://www.washingtonpost.com/education/2022/11/27/uc-berkeley-admissions-race-diversity/

Well, for starters, it allows athletes who perhaps do not have the grades or the right classes to get routed into the classes that matter or are equivalent to whatever major they were in. This sentence says it all:

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Among Pac-12 programs, only Stanford (one) and California (eight) from the summer of 2020 through the summer of 2022 acquired fewer football players via the transfer portal than CU's 10, according to the 247Sports.com database.

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Unless this changes, we have no shot to improve if we are on a 3-4 year athletic development plan and other schools are on a 1-2 year plan.

Whether anyone believes our standards should change is a whole different thread.

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Well, for starters, it allows athletes who perhaps do not have the grades or the right classes to get routed into the classes that matter or are equivalent to whatever major they were in. This sentence says it all:

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Among Pac-12 programs, only Stanford (one) and California (eight) from the summer of 2020 through the summer of 2022 acquired fewer football players via the transfer portal than CU's 10, according to the 247Sports.com database.

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Unless this changes, we have no shot to improve if we are on a 3-4 year athletic development plan and other schools are on a 1-2 year plan.

Whether anyone believes our standards should change is a whole different thread.

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That's how many starters UCLA acquired via transfer in one off-season, and USC acquired just on offense.

CalGrad95 said:

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Looks like Coach Prime has already had a major impact on Colorado's academics.

From the Denver Post: "In the past, CU's academic standards, in terms of the type of transfer credits it accepted, made it difficult for coaches to recruit second- and third-year transfers from other schools and get them eligible to play right away."

Not TWO MONTHS AGO the CU Chancellor said they didn't need to change their academics to appeal to Transfer Portal athletes.

Now, after going all in with Coach Prime, they are singing a different tune.

For those saying attracting Transfer Portal players is about more than bags of NIL cash...you're 100% correct.

The Deion Sanders storyline we are all sleeping on…#CoachPrime #CUBuffs pic.twitter.com/50Lhe19uSm

— Max Browne (@MaxBrowne4) December 7, 2022

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When we first heard about Colorado hiring Coach Prime, some in this Board asked why Cal did not consider hiring him as HC.
This issue is an example of the concerns relating to Coach Prime that would have prevented Cal from making an offer to hire Coach Prime as HC.

Deion Sanders has been at Colorado less than 24 hrs, and he is already bringing in players!

Elite 2025 WR Winston Watkins Jr. has Committed to Colorado!
The Top 20 Player in the '25 class chose the Buffs over Alabama, Ohio State, Miami, and others.
Was previously committed to Texas A&M.
-Jon

GivemTheAxe said:

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CalGrad95 said:

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Looks like Coach Prime has already had a major impact on Colorado's academics.

From the Denver Post: "In the past, CU's academic standards, in terms of the type of transfer credits it accepted, made it difficult for coaches to recruit second- and third-year transfers from other schools and get them eligible to play right away."

Not TWO MONTHS AGO the CU Chancellor said they didn't need to change their academics to appeal to Transfer Portal athletes.

Now, after going all in with Coach Prime, they are singing a different tune.

For those saying attracting Transfer Portal players is about more than bags of NIL cash...you're 100% correct.

The Deion Sanders storyline we are all sleeping on…#CoachPrime #CUBuffs pic.twitter.com/50Lhe19uSm

— Max Browne (@MaxBrowne4) December 7, 2022

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When we first heard about Colorado hiring Coach Prime, some in this Board asked why Cal did not consider hiring him as HC.
This issue is an example of the concerns relating to Coach Prime that would have prevented Cal from making an offer to hire Coach Prime as HC.

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Coach Prime this... Coach Prime that... already sick of this guy.

I was sick of him when he was here

I read a while ago that it's tough to get transfers into cal

I assumed its because there was some internal policy that they needed to be at a certain class level (e.g. Completed their soph year) or minimum gpa

I hadn't thought about whether classes transferring or not was an issue

CU making a huge commitment to football. I'll LMAO (and then later sulk) if they end up in a major conference, while the admins at Cal keep making horrible decisions as we poor fans hope the bay area media market will be our savior.

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CU making a huge commitment to football. I'll LMAO (and then later sulk) if they end up in a major conference, while the admins at Cal keep making horrible decisions as we poor fans hope the bay area media market will be our savior.

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Yup - you have to go out of the way to be as bad as we are given the media market, our locale, our perfect college football setting, access to recruits, prestigious university. Mind boggling how these idiots can not leverage all that has been given to them on a silver platter. They should be sued for malpractice.

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PtownBear1 said:

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CU making a huge commitment to football. I'll LMAO (and then later sulk) if they end up in a major conference, while the admins at Cal keep making horrible decisions as we poor fans hope the bay area media market will be our savior.

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Yup - you have to go out of the way to be as bad as we are given the media market, our locale, our perfect college football setting, access to recruits, prestigious university. Mind boggling how these idiots can not leverage all that has been given to them on a silver platter. They should be sued for malpractice.

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Cal is not the perfect college football setting in one very important way, which is that the students, the faculty, the administration, the alumni, and the community don't really care very much about college football.

Cal has all the ingredients that COULD make us a good football school - and in fact we once were - but football will never again be important to the students, alumni, and the local community hence it will never be important to the faculty and the administration.

How much do UC Berkeley students know about Cal sports?

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Econ141 said:

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PtownBear1 said:

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CU making a huge commitment to football. I'll LMAO (and then later sulk) if they end up in a major conference, while the admins at Cal keep making horrible decisions as we poor fans hope the bay area media market will be our savior.

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Yup - you have to go out of the way to be as bad as we are given the media market, our locale, our perfect college football setting, access to recruits, prestigious university. Mind boggling how these idiots can not leverage all that has been given to them on a silver platter. They should be sued for malpractice.

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Cal is not the perfect college football setting in one very important way, which is that the students, the faculty, the administration, the alumni, and the community don't really care very much about college football.

Cal has all the ingredients that COULD make us a good football school - and in fact we once were - but football will never again be important to the students, alumni, and the local community hence it will never be important to the faculty and the administration.

How much do UC Berkeley students know about Cal sports?

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The administration clearly does not, and the faculty was mixed from my experience, but to say the alumni, students, and community don't care is misleading. It's been proven on a number of occasions that when Cal football is good, lots of people care. Memorial and all the local bars and restaurants were packed for the games, and there was tons of excitement in the community. I knew dozens of fans, both alum and not, who have abandoned Cal football due to years of Cal providing a ****ty product. Provide an entertaining product, and I know people will come again.

In fact, the same phenomenon is currently taking place at SC. I have a lot of SC friends from my time living in So Cal, and they all pretty much tuned out during the Helton years. This year, every SC alum I know has been reengaged and attending games and supporting the program.

PtownBear1 said:

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dimitrig said:

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Econ141 said:

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PtownBear1 said:

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CU making a huge commitment to football. I'll LMAO (and then later sulk) if they end up in a major conference, while the admins at Cal keep making horrible decisions as we poor fans hope the bay area media market will be our savior.

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Yup - you have to go out of the way to be as bad as we are given the media market, our locale, our perfect college football setting, access to recruits, prestigious university. Mind boggling how these idiots can not leverage all that has been given to them on a silver platter. They should be sued for malpractice.

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Cal is not the perfect college football setting in one very important way, which is that the students, the faculty, the administration, the alumni, and the community don't really care very much about college football.

Cal has all the ingredients that COULD make us a good football school - and in fact we once were - but football will never again be important to the students, alumni, and the local community hence it will never be important to the faculty and the administration.

How much do UC Berkeley students know about Cal sports?

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The administration clearly does not, and the faculty was mixed from my experience, but to say the alumni, students, and community don't care is misleading. It's been proven on a number of occasions that when Cal football is good, lots of people care. Memorial and all the local bars and restaurants were packed for the games, and there was tons of excitement in the community. I knew dozens of fans, both alum and not, who have abandoned Cal football due to years of Cal providing a ****ty product. Provide an entertaining product, and I know people will come again.

In fact, the same phenomenon is currently taking place at SC. I have a lot of SC friends from my time living in So Cal, and they all pretty much tuned out during the Helton years. This year, every SC alum I know has been reengaged and attending games and supporting the program.

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Correct - we just haven't been good enough for people to come watch. Now with raiders gone there is even more opportunity.

Just play exciting competitive football and the fans will pack the stadium. 50-60k is not that much even if broader interest in football is falling.

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PtownBear1 said:

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dimitrig said:

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Econ141 said:

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PtownBear1 said:

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CU making a huge commitment to football. I'll LMAO (and then later sulk) if they end up in a major conference, while the admins at Cal keep making horrible decisions as we poor fans hope the bay area media market will be our savior.

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Yup - you have to go out of the way to be as bad as we are given the media market, our locale, our perfect college football setting, access to recruits, prestigious university. Mind boggling how these idiots can not leverage all that has been given to them on a silver platter. They should be sued for malpractice.

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Cal is not the perfect college football setting in one very important way, which is that the students, the faculty, the administration, the alumni, and the community don't really care very much about college football.

Cal has all the ingredients that COULD make us a good football school - and in fact we once were - but football will never again be important to the students, alumni, and the local community hence it will never be important to the faculty and the administration.

How much do UC Berkeley students know about Cal sports?

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The administration clearly does not, and the faculty was mixed from my experience, but to say the alumni, students, and community don't care is misleading. It's been proven on a number of occasions that when Cal football is good, lots of people care. Memorial and all the local bars and restaurants were packed for the games, and there was tons of excitement in the community. I knew dozens of fans, both alum and not, who have abandoned Cal football due to years of Cal providing a ****ty product. Provide an entertaining product, and I know people will come again.

In fact, the same phenomenon is currently taking place at SC. I have a lot of SC friends from my time living in So Cal, and they all pretty much tuned out during the Helton years. This year, every SC alum I know has been reengaged and attending games and supporting the program.

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Correct - we just haven't been good enough for people to come watch. Now with raiders gone there is even more opportunity.

Just play exciting competitive football and the fans will pack the stadium. 50-60k is not that much even if broader interest in football is falling.

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Agree. Not only did we lose, we also played the most boring and uninspiring style of football possible. Sports are entertainment. Everyone loves a winner. Otherwise be interesting/entertaining.

tequila4kapp said:

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Econ141 said:

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PtownBear1 said:

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dimitrig said:

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Econ141 said:

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PtownBear1 said:

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CU making a huge commitment to football. I'll LMAO (and then later sulk) if they end up in a major conference, while the admins at Cal keep making horrible decisions as we poor fans hope the bay area media market will be our savior.

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Yup - you have to go out of the way to be as bad as we are given the media market, our locale, our perfect college football setting, access to recruits, prestigious university. Mind boggling how these idiots can not leverage all that has been given to them on a silver platter. They should be sued for malpractice.

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Cal is not the perfect college football setting in one very important way, which is that the students, the faculty, the administration, the alumni, and the community don't really care very much about college football.

Cal has all the ingredients that COULD make us a good football school - and in fact we once were - but football will never again be important to the students, alumni, and the local community hence it will never be important to the faculty and the administration.

How much do UC Berkeley students know about Cal sports?

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The administration clearly does not, and the faculty was mixed from my experience, but to say the alumni, students, and community don't care is misleading. It's been proven on a number of occasions that when Cal football is good, lots of people care. Memorial and all the local bars and restaurants were packed for the games, and there was tons of excitement in the community. I knew dozens of fans, both alum and not, who have abandoned Cal football due to years of Cal providing a ****ty product. Provide an entertaining product, and I know people will come again.

In fact, the same phenomenon is currently taking place at SC. I have a lot of SC friends from my time living in So Cal, and they all pretty much tuned out during the Helton years. This year, every SC alum I know has been reengaged and attending games and supporting the program.

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Correct - we just haven't been good enough for people to come watch. Now with raiders gone there is even more opportunity.

Just play exciting competitive football and the fans will pack the stadium. 50-60k is not that much even if broader interest in football is falling.

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Agree. Not only did we lose, we also played the most boring and uninspiring style of football possible. Sports are entertainment. Everyone loves a winner. Otherwise be interesting/entertaining.

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We get so many boring 3 and outs, we might as well be playing baseball

Someone misses the Sonny Dykes era. Losing in the most interesting way possible.

No loss in the Sonny Dykes era was as pathetic as the OT loss to Colorado

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Someone misses the Sonny Dykes era. Losing in the most interesting way possible.

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Just so we are clear, NOBODY hates Dykes and the Dykes era as much as me. Nobody.

The Spav offense isn't my favorite by a long shot. But objectively, nothing has been as bad as the Musgrave offense - including the Holmoe years - and that is really saying something. My attitude is kind of like this: if you've been eating dirt for a few years getting to nibble on a piece of cauliflower isn't the worst thing ever.

I suspect we will have a ceiling with this offense, it will struggle in predictable ways. But the days of grinding out close-ish wins over the UC Davis' and UNLV's of the worlds with late scores that make the result seem better than they were are over. Those are going to become 55-24 type games. The days of losing to or having pillow fight victories over the crappiest P12 teams are over. Those will be 45-17 type games. That will bring casual fans into the stadium; the atmosphere will start to improve.

Unless the OL implodes again and assuming any kind of reasonable health on D I think Spav's hire pretty much guarantees us 7 or 8 wins, bowl games, etc. Given what we have lived through recently I'll gladly watch an O that I personally don't prefer and enjoy not despising Cal incompetence.

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No loss in the Sonny Dykes era was as pathetic as the OT loss to Colorado

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I actually traveled to the 2013 Colorado game, where we lost 41-24 to a 4-8 Colorado team that was annihilated 59-7 the week before.

Actually left Folsom Field before they returned our onside kick for a touchdown.

Sonny Dykes actually apologized to a group of alumni for that loss.

Yeah, I know my comment was tongue in cheek.

It's just hilarious in a sad way how everything we do is an overreaction to what came before.

Late Tedford had stagnant offense and boring football?

Hire Sonny Dykes

Sonny Dykes has exciting offense and game blowing defenses?

Hire Justin Wilcox

Justin Wilcox has horrific offenses who can't score?

Hire Sonny Dykes Offensive Coordinator

I laugh to keep from crying.

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CalGrad95 said:

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Someone misses the Sonny Dykes era. Losing in the most interesting way possible.

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Just so we are clear, NOBODY hates Dykes and the Dykes era as much as me. Nobody.

The Spav offense isn't my favorite by a long shot. But objectively, nothing has been as bad as the Musgrave offense - including the Holmoe years - and that is really saying something. My attitude is kind of like this: if you've been eating dirt for a few years getting to nibble on a piece of cauliflower isn't the worst thing ever.

I suspect we will have a ceiling with this offense, it will struggle in predictable ways. But the days of grinding out close-ish wins over the UC Davis' and UNLV's of the worlds with late scores that make the result seem better than they were are over. Those are going to become 55-24 type games. The days of losing to or having pillow fight victories over the crappiest P12 teams are over. Those will be 45-17 type games. That will bring casual fans into the stadium; the atmosphere will start to improve.

Unless the OL implodes again and assuming any kind of reasonable health on D I think Spav's hire pretty much guarantees us 7 or 8 wins, bowl games, etc. Given what we have lived through recently I'll gladly watch an O that I personally don't prefer and enjoy not despising Cal incompetence.

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I agree with everything you say EXCEPT that this past year was worse than Holmoe's worst

I remember the total futility of the worst Holmoe years. I remember games where our only hope was to have the Defense score enough to keep us in the game. I remember games where the Defense got what might have been a pick-6 but the Cal defender ran out of gas and was tackled inside the 10; and I KNEW that we would not be able to score from first and goal
( and we didn't).

I remember going into the last game of the season winless against another winless team and hoping for a MIRACLE to pull out a win.

This year was AMONG the worst, I have seen. But not THE worst.

GivemTheAxe said:

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tequila4kapp said:

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CalGrad95 said:

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Someone misses the Sonny Dykes era. Losing in the most interesting way possible.

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Just so we are clear, NOBODY hates Dykes and the Dykes era as much as me. Nobody.

The Spav offense isn't my favorite by a long shot. But objectively, nothing has been as bad as the Musgrave offense - including the Holmoe years - and that is really saying something. My attitude is kind of like this: if you've been eating dirt for a few years getting to nibble on a piece of cauliflower isn't the worst thing ever.

I suspect we will have a ceiling with this offense, it will struggle in predictable ways. But the days of grinding out close-ish wins over the UC Davis' and UNLV's of the worlds with late scores that make the result seem better than they were are over. Those are going to become 55-24 type games. The days of losing to or having pillow fight victories over the crappiest P12 teams are over. Those will be 45-17 type games. That will bring casual fans into the stadium; the atmosphere will start to improve.

Unless the OL implodes again and assuming any kind of reasonable health on D I think Spav's hire pretty much guarantees us 7 or 8 wins, bowl games, etc. Given what we have lived through recently I'll gladly watch an O that I personally don't prefer and enjoy not despising Cal incompetence.

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I agree with everything you say EXCEPT that this past year was worse than Holmoe's worst

I remember the total futility of the worst Holmoe years. I remember games where our only hope was to have the Defense score enough to keep us in the game. I remember games where the Defense got what might have been a pick-6 but the Cal defender ran out of gas and was tackled inside the 10; and I KNEW that we would not be able to score from first and goal ( and we didn't).

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Reasonable people can disagree on this one. My lasting memory of the Holmoe offense is Justin Vedder throwing 7 yard passes over and over again to the same wide receiver because Vedder couldn't throw the ball more than 15 yards downfield and that was the only play that kind of worked. But at least we had something that worked reliably

This thread should be titled Colorado REDUCING Academic Requirements....