My story about Sonny Dykes, and Dave Nichol, and Leach; and all the other the Air Raid families as one of their own has made it to the national title game. https://t.co/XT0sqrim9O

— Bruce Feldman (@BruceFeldmanCFB) January 5, 2023

okaydo said:

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My story about Sonny Dykes, and Dave Nichol, and Leach; and all the other the Air Raid families as one of their own has made it to the national title game. https://t.co/XT0sqrim9O

— Bruce Feldman (@BruceFeldmanCFB) January 5, 2023

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Yup....mike Williams drove sonny out. That's why he started looking around

I posted this in the other thread: He had the chance to talk about anybody or anything in his first press conference days after winning a playoff game. But he had to mention his fondness for Marshawn.

Sonny Dykes on the coolest call he got after Saturday’s win, “Marshawn Lynch actually reached out over the phone. I invited him to the championship, but he said he’s going to Italy, can’t blame him on that one”. pic.twitter.com/EDmasFghgD

— Killer Frogs (@Killer_Frogs) January 3, 2023

Does Jim or Carol care that we are a laughing stock of college football? Wilcox must be pissed that he is pretty much locked in at Cal. No hope for improvement so no one now will hire him. And we know cal won't fore him.

Econ141 said:

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Does Jim or Carol care that we are a laughing stock of college football? Wilcox must be pissed that he is pretty much locked in at Cal. No hope for improvement so no one now will hire him. And we know cal won't fore him.

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Why would Wilcox be pissed that he is going to collect $30M in less than a decade doing the bare minimum? He can easily retire afterwards and live comfortably in Atherton.

DoubtfulBear said:

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Econ141 said:

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Does Jim or Carol care that we are a laughing stock of college football? Wilcox must be pissed that he is pretty much locked in at Cal. No hope for improvement so no one now will hire him. And we know cal won't fore him.

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Why would Wilcox be pissed that he is going to collect $30M in less than a decade doing the bare minimum? He can easily retire afterwards and live comfortably in Atherton.

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Ha that's true - he is a happy camper has no incentive to care that Cal is imploding.

How do you two internet posters know that Wilcox only does the bare minimum? Do you have evidence to support beside poor on-field performance by our offense?

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How do you two internet posters know that Wilcox only does the bare minimum? Do you have evidence to support beside poor on-field performance by our offense?

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He can't recruit talent, he can't retain talent, he can't hire quality coordinators, and he has a boring personality with no social media presence. Maybe he works 80 hour weeks, but the results are the same if he sat around and did nothing.

Dykes grew as a coach. He learned from his mistakes. I'm hoping Wilcox does the same. I think he's going outside his comfort zone with the new offensive staff. We can't dwell on what's happened. We can only hope things get better going forward.

DoubtfulBear said:

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How do you two internet posters know that Wilcox only does the bare minimum? Do you have evidence to support beside poor on-field performance by our offense?

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He can't recruit talent, he can't retain talent, he can't hire quality coordinators, and he has a boring personality with no social media presence. Maybe he works 80 hour weeks, but the results are the same if he sat around and did nothing.

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Spot on. Work smarter not harder. Or on this case, get a new worker (i.e. coach).

so the COY talks about Cal saying he appreciates his success and support at TCU so much more because he didn't have that at Cal

This is the thing about Dykes for me. He runs the right offensive system, but just wasn't a good fit for Cal. What a backhanded thing to say in his moment of glory. A bigger man wouldn't have said that.

Econ141 said:

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Does Jim or Carol care that we are a laughing stock of college football? Wilcox must be pissed that he is pretty much locked in at Cal. No hope for improvement so no one now will hire him. And we know cal won't fore him.

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Wilcox was reportedly offered the Oregon job only 1 year ago. He had been at Cal 6 years, mostly under Christ and Knowlton. He chose to lock in at Cal for 5 more years.

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so the COY talks about Cal saying he appreciates his success and support at TCU so much more because he didn't have that at Cal

This is the thing about Dykes for me. He runs the right offensive system, but just wasn't a good fit for Cal. What a backhanded thing to say in his moment of glory. A bigger man wouldn't have said that.

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He said he didn't feel the support, justified or unjustified. Not really a shot, just being honest. By all accounts, he didn't get great support and not nearly the support Wilcox has gotten. His offense is much more balanced today and he is more successful because of it.

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HoopDreams said:

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so the COY talks about Cal saying he appreciates his success and support at TCU so much more because he didn't have that at Cal

This is the thing about Dykes for me. He runs the right offensive system, but just wasn't a good fit for Cal. What a backhanded thing to say in his moment of glory. A bigger man wouldn't have said that.

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He said he didn't feel the support, justified or unjustified. Not really a shot, just being honest. By all accounts, he didn't get great support and not nearly the support Wilcox has gotten. His offense is much more balanced today and he is more successful because of it.

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He was not supported and the people that vocally hated him (and still do) now blame Williams, who they also hated, except that Williams did exactly what they wanted and fired Dykes and hired Wilcox.

They have been arguing Wilcox is better than Dykes for 7 years now. Now they have to change their narrative.

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Econ141 said:

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Does Jim or Carol care that we are a laughing stock of college football? Wilcox must be pissed that he is pretty much locked in at Cal. No hope for improvement so no one now will hire him. And we know cal won't fore him.

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Wilcox was reportedly offered the Oregon job only 1 year ago. He had been at Cal 5 years, mostly under Christ and Knowlton. He chose to lock in at Cal for 6 more years.

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*6 years

HoopDreams said:

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so the COY talks about Cal saying he appreciates his success and support at TCU so much more because he didn't have that at Cal

This is the thing about Dykes for me. He runs the right offensive system, but just wasn't a good fit for Cal. What a backhanded thing to say in his moment of glory. A bigger man wouldn't have said that.

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A bigger man character wise, anyway.

The football experts on this site have thoroughly explained that Sonny's defense at Cal that allowed 42 points a game was entirely the university's fault.

At Louisiana Tech: Sonny's defense "…..allowed 48 or more points five times."

Question: Am I correct in assuming that this was entirely the fault of Louisiana Tech and not Sonny's fault?


*I don't like the word "Cal" being diminished by coming out of his f@ucking pie hole.

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HoopDreams said:

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so the COY talks about Cal saying he appreciates his success and support at TCU so much more because he didn't have that at Cal

This is the thing about Dykes for me. He runs the right offensive system, but just wasn't a good fit for Cal. What a backhanded thing to say in his moment of glory. A bigger man wouldn't have said that.

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A bigger man character wise, anyway.

The football experts on this site have thoroughly explained that Sonny's defense at Cal that allowed 42 points a game was entirely the university's fault.

At LSU: Sonny's defense "…..allowed 48 or more points five times."

Question: Am I correct in assuming that this was entirely the fault of LSU and not Sonny's fault?

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You mean La Tech not LSU

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Econ141 said:

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Does Jim or Carol care that we are a laughing stock of college football? Wilcox must be pissed that he is pretty much locked in at Cal. No hope for improvement so no one now will hire him. And we know cal won't fore him.

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Wilcox was reportedly offered the Oregon job only 1 year ago. He had been at Cal 6 years, mostly under Christ and Knowlton. He chose to lock in at Cal for 5 more years.

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Correct - but that is why I said no one "now" will hire him. He had his shot but gave it up. After yet another year of offensive weakness, a weakening defense (justified with injuries or not), and recruiting that is the worst in the country, no P5 program would take him now. Not Oregon for sure - they feel like they dodged a bullet...no way he took them to the heights Oregon reached this year with someone else.

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bearister said:

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HoopDreams said:

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so the COY talks about Cal saying he appreciates his success and support at TCU so much more because he didn't have that at Cal

This is the thing about Dykes for me. He runs the right offensive system, but just wasn't a good fit for Cal. What a backhanded thing to say in his moment of glory. A bigger man wouldn't have said that.

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A bigger man character wise, anyway.

The football experts on this site have thoroughly explained that Sonny's defense at Cal that allowed 42 points a game was entirely the university's fault.

At LSU: Sonny's defense "…..allowed 48 or more points five times."

Question: Am I correct in assuming that this was entirely the fault of LSU and not Sonny's fault?

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You mean La Tech not LSU

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Thanks, so noted and corrected. I knew it was one of those Confederate general on a horse monument sporting institutions.

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oski003 said:

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How do you two internet posters know that Wilcox only does the bare minimum? Do you have evidence to support beside poor on-field performance by our offense?

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He can't recruit talent, he can't retain talent, he can't hire quality coordinators, and he has a boring personality with no social media presence. Maybe he works 80 hour weeks, but the results are the same if he sat around and did nothing.

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This X1000

Even his press conferences are mind numbingly boring. The guy has no personality, low energy. Looks annoyed having to another the most basic of questions. It's just awful.

I would be fine with all that if he put a decent product on the field. But his product matches his personality.

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Even his press conferences are mind numbingly boring. The guy has no personality, low energy. Looks annoyed having to another the most basic of questions. It's just awful.

I would be fine with all that if he put a decent product on the field. But his product matches his personality.

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Completely agree. The last thing our football program needs is a boring, low energy, annoying, incompetent head coach. He is driving our dwindling fan base out the door.

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StarsDoMatter said:

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Even his press conferences are mind numbingly boring. The guy has no personality, low energy. Looks annoyed having to another the most basic of questions. It's just awful.

I would be fine with all that if he put a decent product on the field. But his product matches his personality.

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Completely agree. The last thing our football program needs is a boring, low energy, annoying, incompetent head coach. He is driving our dwindling fan base out the door.

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The extensions, especially last year's, just did not make sense.

All we can do is hope Spavital kills it, but it is not looking good right now.

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How do you two internet posters know that Wilcox only does the bare minimum? Do you have evidence to support beside poor on-field performance by our offense?

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He can't recruit talent, he can't retain talent, he can't hire quality coordinators, and he has a boring personality with no social media presence. Maybe he works 80 hour weeks, but the results are the same if he sat around and did nothing.

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This X1000

Even his press conferences are mind numbingly boring. The guy has no personality, low energy. Looks annoyed having to another the most basic of questions. It's just awful.

I would be fine with all that if he put a decent product on the field. But his product matches his personality.

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The funny thing is that Tedford was the exact same way - boring press conferences, low outward energy and didn't give the public any crumbs.

The difference? Tedford won (at least until the final few years), vs Wilcox losing.

The bottom line: winning takes care of all the (un)justified criticisms.

Dykes was no more successful at Cal than Wilcox has been, but his teams were way more fun to watch.

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Dykes was no more successful at Cal than Wilcox has been, but his teams were way more fun to watch.

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In some ways yes, in some ways no. Wilcox's saving grace has been actually getting a few wins against our traditional rivals. Sure part of that is the ebb and flow of the competition and strength of competing programs, but you face the opponents you're dealt. We also generally seem to be getting blown out by rivals a lot less under Wilcox. So by that metric I'd say Wilcox has been more successful.

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… but his teams were way more fun to watch.

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Goff

bearister said:

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BerlinerBaer said:

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… but his teams were way more fun to watch.

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Goff

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Lead the PAC-12 in offense with Webb at QB.

bearister said:

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BerlinerBaer said:

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Goff

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Yes, I agree with you. Dykes deserves a lot of credit for what he did with Jared Goff.

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BerlinerBaer said:

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Dykes was no more successful at Cal than Wilcox has been, but his teams were way more fun to watch.

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In some ways yes, in some ways no. Wilcox's saving grace has been actually getting a few wins against our traditional rivals. Sure part of that is the ebb and flow of the competition and strength of competing programs, but you face the opponents you're dealt. We also generally seem to be getting blown out by rivals a lot less under Wilcox. So by that metric I'd say Wilcox has been more successful.

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That was Holmoe too. Coaching at a time when the PAC-10 and our traditional powers/rivals were weak.
Instead of being satisfied with that and extending we should have seen it as an opportunity to get someone who can compete for the conference title.

Dykes would have had plenty of support at Cal if he produced a season like this one for TCU. Instead, he drove to work every day in his first year at Cal and led one of the worst teams ever. If he had gone 1-11 for TCU, would he even have received a 2nd year?

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Dykes would have had plenty of support at Cal if he produced a season like this one for TCU. Instead, he drove to work every day in his first year at Cal and led one of the worst teams ever. If he had gone 1-11 for TCU, would he even have received a 2nd year?

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He was dealing with a program that was collapsing in the decline of Tedford and embroiled in academic probation. If Wilcox had started in similar circumstances, he could've tied Washington in a historic 0-12 season

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Dykes would have had plenty of support at Cal if he produced a season like this one for TCU. Instead, he drove to work every day in his first year at Cal and led one of the worst teams ever. If he had gone 1-11 for TCU, would he even have received a 2nd year?

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He was dealing with a program that was collapsing in the decline of Tedford and embroiled in academic probation. If Wilcox had started in similar circumstances, he could've tied Washington in a historic 0-12 season

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The point is he had no reason to expect any special support under the circumstances he was in. It's great that he struck lightning and produced the most unlikely season of any team in the playoff era, and no fanbase would react any differently to that kind of success.

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Dykes would have had plenty of support at Cal if he produced a season like this one for TCU. Instead, he drove to work every day in his first year at Cal and led one of the worst teams ever. If he had gone 1-11 for TCU, would he even have received a 2nd year?

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The problem was Dykes couldn't shake that 1-11 season in some peoples' eyes. Dykes had a Steve Mariucci-ish record after that 1-11 season. But that 1-11 is big contributor to that 19-30.

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Dykes would have had plenty of support at Cal if he produced a season like this one for TCU. Instead, he drove to work every day in his first year at Cal and led one of the worst teams ever. If he had gone 1-11 for TCU, would he even have received a 2nd year?

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He was dealing with a program that was collapsing in the decline of Tedford and embroiled in academic probation. If Wilcox had started in similar circumstances, he could've tied Washington in a historic 0-12 season

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What Dykes was left with:




What Wilcox was left with:

okaydo said:

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DoubtfulBear said:

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Dykes would have had plenty of support at Cal if he produced a season like this one for TCU. Instead, he drove to work every day in his first year at Cal and led one of the worst teams ever. If he had gone 1-11 for TCU, would he even have received a 2nd year?

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He was dealing with a program that was collapsing in the decline of Tedford and embroiled in academic probation. If Wilcox had started in similar circumstances, he could've tied Washington in a historic 0-12 season

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What Dykes was left with:




What Wilcox was left with:

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Imagine what the Cal football program would've been like had Dykes been disastrous on and off the field.