Seriously, how can he justifiy keeping them on the job. Knowlton is an absolute worthless piece of garbage that has handed out stupid extenstions, made horrible hires, and has let a couple of teams deal with significant mental/abuse issues all from another state.

Because of this incompetent AD, we are stuck with a coach of the flagship that isn't very good with X's and O's, make questionable game day decsions.

Both cost us mulitiple millions already, both cost millions to get rid of (unless you bring some serious lawyers in), BUT the cost of keeping them around is significianly greater than that at this point.

Lyons is failing to see this. He may lead a cheer, look good in public, but behind the scenes he's just as bad as Knowlton.

clock is a-tickin' but cal's never done well when speed is required

LYONS = TIEN Lite

Nasal Mucus Goldenbear said:

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LYONS = TIEN Lite

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We need to boycott all fundraising efforts until Knowlton and Wilcox are gone.

Nasal Mucus Goldenbear said:

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LYONS = TIEN Lite

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But I was assured by those who went to school with Lyons that he's different! That he's a Cal fan! That he's better than Tien! Plus, the "insiders" assured me that he's got plans! Plans! /s

Seriously, the fanboying on this forum is ridiculous. Rather than looking at his actual performance, the fanboys insist that the vision of their hopes and wishes wrapped up in their "savior" is somehow legitimate while ignoring the lack of any real substantive evidence showing Lyons is doing or has done anything to reverse the trajectory the football program.

The Lyons stuff on here feels very QAnon-y

If you were a head coach and didn't care at all and were just trying to get fired for the $$ what would you do differently? Guarantee they are joking about "what do we have to do to get fired??"

The day that Justin Wilcox is no longer associated with this program will be a good day.

ac_green33 said:

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The Lyons stuff on here feels very QAnon-y

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There are no conspiracies, but there are no coincidences either.

southseasbear said:

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Nasal Mucus Goldenbear said:

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LYONS = TIEN Lite

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We need to boycott all fundraising efforts until Knowlton and Wilcox are gone.

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Come on now, guys (note my use of "guys" is gender neutral and includes males, females and anyone else)
1. Lyons finally gives Cal Football fans what we have wanted. A commitment to Cal football by the highest level of the Cal Administration
2. Cal finally gets some momentum going on some serious fund raising that could move the needle in Cal Football in the right direction
3. The appointment of Ron Rivera signals better days to come in the short run.
4. And now we want to put the brakes on all that progress that has been made until we get EVERYTHING we want in spite of the fact that a. firing Wilcox is a practical impossibility this late in the year and b. would cost too much until the end of the 2025 season.

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southseasbear said:

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Nasal Mucus Goldenbear said:

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LYONS = TIEN Lite

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We need to boycott all fundraising efforts until Knowlton and Wilcox are gone.

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Come on now, guys (note my use of "guys" is gender neutral and includes males, females and anyone else)
1. Lyons finally gives Cal Football fans what we have wanted. A commitment to Cal football by the highest level of the Cal Administration
2. Cal finally gets some momentum going on some serious fund raising that could move the needle in Cal Football in the right direction
3. The appointment of Ron Rivera signals better days to come in the short run.
4. And now we want to put the brakes on all that progress that has been made until we get EVERYTHING we want in spite of the fact that a. firing Wilcox is a practical impossibility this late in the year and b. would cost too much until the end of the 2025 season.

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What I want is for Cal to fire the incompetent leaders that have been holding us back and then fire the staffers who think it's important to self-report minor violations to the utterly irrelevant NCAA in the new Wild West that is college football 2025. What good is fundraising if the guy who picks all the players and coaches the team is the one spending it?

Get rid of these ******* losers.

the most plausible arguments I have seen regarding Knowlton involve $$$

1) The administration doesn't have the money (or the willingness to put up with the complaining by spending the money) to fire JK and pay his buy out for a non-cause firing.

2) That the McDeevers (sp) case is a real problem in that firing JK for cause and referencing that puts the university in grave financial/legal risk from the swimmers. At present they face the burden of showing both harm and that the university bares responsibility for that harm beyond its role as McDeevers employers. But here would be admission that the university believe that JK acted incorrectly. Sadly it is the university where the big payday is in this case.

socaltownie said:

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the most plausible arguments I have seen regarding Knowlton involve $$$

1) The administration doesn't have the money (or the willingness to put up with the complaining by spending the money) to fire JK and pay his buy out for a non-cause firing.

2) That the McDeevers (sp) case is a real problem in that firing JK for cause and referencing that puts the university in grave financial/legal risk from the swimmers. At present they face the burden of showing both harm and that the university bares responsibility for that harm beyond its role as McDeevers employers. But here would be admission that the university believe that JK acted incorrectly. Sadly it is the university where the big payday is in this case.

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Acting incorrectly in violation of policy and therefore should be terminated. Companies can leaders all the time for violations and improprieties. That doesn't necessarily mean it's an admission, it could mean that they believe this was done by a manager on their own, and it in the least tells regulators that we are serious about actually preventing things like harassment.

Our defense would have been he acted in manner on his own but not supported by the University until facts came out during the McKeevers investigation. But you know what, once it did and we didn't do anything about it immediately and let him slide (and continue to), makes it hard for us to argue that with any basis or with a straight face.

We are essentially going all in with Knowlton that he didn't do anything wrong by not disciplining him when we found out about the reported negligence. To fire him now (what it has been more than a year now?) makes us look like clowns and the reason why we can't terminate him now for that. Someone decided that either what he did (or didn't do) in the McKeever case wasn't material, that the finding was he didn't do anything wrong, or that they didn't want to take the risk of disciplining him looking an admission. My guess is the third option and now we've chosen to stay in bed with the guy who seems to be holding us hostage to a bleak future.

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ac_green33 said:

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The Lyons stuff on here feels very QAnon-y

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There are no conspiracies, but there are no coincidences either.

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Congratulations on another successful shyte stirring effort to generate responses to a long dead thread!

I just don't know enough about employment law to opine about whether or not your strategy is right but I do know the deep pocket in the case is the university. It could also be the case that whereas presently the university has a party (Knowlton) who is friendly if they fired him for cause he could sue and claim that Christ knew.

Occums razer applies anyway.....cal.lacks the $$ to make this problem go away

(And when the **** did ad's start getting multi year contracts?? Moat administrators with more p and l responsibility usually get no more than a couple of years...for example I would be shocked on the lbl director has more than 2 year contract.

socaltownie said:

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I just don't know enough about employment law to opine about whether or not your strategy is right but I do know the deep pocket in the case is the university. It could also be the case that whereas presently the university has a party (Knowlton) who is friendly if they fired him for cause he could sue and claim that Christ knew.

Occums razer applies anyway.....cal.lacks the $$ to make this problem go away

(And when the **** did ad's start getting multi year contracts?? Moat administrators with more p and l responsibility usually get no more than a couple of years...for example I would be shocked on the lbl director has more than 2 year contract.

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Because we waited this long to act, firing him now would also risk a retaliation claim by him possibly for participating in protected activity -- ironically, in a fact-finding process to investigate whether his inaction amounted to violation of policy -- so we're so up the creek with JK.