QB's next year

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Johnfox
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Devin Brown and Jaron Keawe Sagapolutele will battle for the starting role. Real possibility we see CJ Harris transfer with both those guys coming in
kal kommie
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I'm going to be interested in tracking Dominic Ingrassia this offseason. His tape looked pretty good and leading a 10-0 team to the state CC championship is not nothing. I think his prospects are less promising than Brown's but I would not be shocked if at the end of the season he ended up ahead on the depth chart.

I see the QB situation as still fluid. My money would be on JKS to win the starting job but maybe he struggles badly either in camp or coming out the gates while one of his competitors is more ready. Maybe Brown or Ingrassia breakout and create a QB controversy even against JKS when the latter is looking pretty good. That would be a nice problem to have. Or maybe none of our guys are the answer this season and we end up playing QB musical chairs as many Cal teams before have done.

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kal kommie said:

I'm going to be interested in tracking Dominic Ingrassia this offseason. His tape looked pretty good and leading a 10-0 team to the state CC championship is not nothing. I think his prospects are less promising than Brown's but I would not be shocked if at the end of the season he ended up ahead on the depth chart.

I see the QB situation as still fluid. My money would be on JKS to win the starting job but maybe he struggles badly either in camp or coming out the gates while one of his competitors is more ready. Maybe Brown or Ingrassia breakout and create a QB controversy even against JKS when the latter is looking pretty good. That would be a nice problem to have. Or maybe none of our guys are the answer this season and we end up playing QB musical chairs as many Cal teams before have done.


Brown if he is indeed coming ( seems very likely) is being brought in to start. He will have to perform as any other position would but he will start off as QB1. They want JKS to not have to start in what is believed to be a very important season from a won-loss record perspective.

But if Brown sucks in Spring and early Fall camp the staff will be forced to reevaluate.
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Rodgers / Robertson scenario works for me. Regardless of who starts you need a qualified back up that can come in at a moments notice.

We seen too many times when a QB2 is ineffective how badly the offense stalls. We have to make sure that the next man up is ready to play.
Haloski
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Whatever happens, things certainly look much better than immediately after Nando bolted and JKS flipped (for the first time). It's nice to see the momentum.
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My take is ALL of these guys will look better if we finally get some decent offensive line play.
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RedlessWardrobe said:

My take is ALL of these guys will look better if we finally get some decent offensive line play.
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Nofado
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TRUTH
BearForceOne
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Question for anyone who might know about such things:

How does having a lefty QB vs a righty QB affect the offensive players?

For example, if a WR is used to playing with a right handed QB, is it a big adjustment to now catch balls thrown by a lefty? Would the coaches have to modify play design or play calling?

And what about for RBs? Would Ott and Thomas need to line up on the other side of the QB for lefties vs righties? I'm sure they can adjust, but would players have a "preference" (if only from habit or muscle memory) about which side they like to receive the handoff on?

Just curious since I'm not sure when was the last time we had a lefty QB, and they seem to be less common than righties.
Nofado
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Receivers have to adjust to catching a ball with the opposite spin on it.
Rushinbear
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BearForceOne said:

Question for anyone who might know about such things:

How does having a lefty QB vs a righty QB affect the offensive players?

For example, if a WR is used to playing with a right handed QB, is it a big adjustment to now catch balls thrown by a lefty? Would the coaches have to modify play design or play calling?

And what about for RBs? Would Ott and Thomas need to line up on the other side of the QB for lefties vs righties? I'm sure they can adjust, but would players have a "preference" (if only from habit or muscle memory) about which side they like to receive the handoff on?

Just curious since I'm not sure when was the last time we had a lefty QB, and they seem to be less common than righties.

A rh qb is most vuinerable to pass rush from the left side, so your best ol pass blocker plays lot. Usually, that's also your most agile ot. A lefty qb is most vulnerable to pass rush from the right side, so the ol may have to be switched around to account for that.
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BearForceOne said:

Question for anyone who might know about such things:

How does having a lefty QB vs a righty QB affect the offensive players?

For example, if a WR is used to playing with a right handed QB, is it a big adjustment to now catch balls thrown by a lefty? Would the coaches have to modify play design or play calling?

And what about for RBs? Would Ott and Thomas need to line up on the other side of the QB for lefties vs righties? I'm sure they can adjust, but would players have a "preference" (if only from habit or muscle memory) about which side they like to receive the handoff on?

Just curious since I'm not sure when was the last time we had a lefty QB, and they seem to be less common than righties.

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75bear said:

BearForceOne said:

Question for anyone who might know about such things:

How does having a lefty QB vs a righty QB affect the offensive players?

For example, if a WR is used to playing with a right handed QB, is it a big adjustment to now catch balls thrown by a lefty? Would the coaches have to modify play design or play calling?

And what about for RBs? Would Ott and Thomas need to line up on the other side of the QB for lefties vs righties? I'm sure they can adjust, but would players have a "preference" (if only from habit or muscle memory) about which side they like to receive the handoff on?

Just curious since I'm not sure when was the last time we had a lefty QB, and they seem to be less common than righties.

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Ouch!
That hurt!
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Nofado said:

Receivers have to adjust to catching a ball with the opposite spin on it.
This was a knock on Kenny Stabler coming out of Alabama. It turned out that Biletnikoff, Branch and Casper could catch a football spinning either direction.
Johnfox
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Devin Brown is in the Cal student directory so I assume he has filled out his paper work and has signed with Cal
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FuzzyWuzzy said:

Nofado said:

Receivers have to adjust to catching a ball with the opposite spin on it.
This was a knock on Kenny Stabler coming out of Alabama. It turned out that Biletnikoff, Branch and Casper could catch a football spinning either direction.
Apparently Sterlin Gilbert didn't recruit Michael Penix at USF because he didn't want a left handed QB...
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BearForceOne said:

Question for anyone who might know about such things:

How does having a lefty QB vs a righty QB affect the offensive players?

For example, if a WR is used to playing with a right handed QB, is it a big adjustment to now catch balls thrown by a lefty? Would the coaches have to modify play design or play calling?

And what about for RBs? Would Ott and Thomas need to line up on the other side of the QB for lefties vs righties? I'm sure they can adjust, but would players have a "preference" (if only from habit or muscle memory) about which side they like to receive the handoff on?

Just curious since I'm not sure when was the last time we had a lefty QB, and they seem to be less common than righties.

In my experience it's more of an adjustment for the OL than it is for receivers. The opposite spin and slightly different angle are marginal factors for WRs, TEs, and RBs that can be acclimated to in an offseason but for OL who have spent their entire careers basing their techniques off of blindside vs strong side it can be an adjustment. For example: your best run blocking and pulling guard generally plays the right side but when you flip it they need to be comfortable moving in the opposite directions and that takes some reps just to drill it down.

The good(?) news is that our OL needs to relearn everything so building from scratch is the same no matter what the QB is doing
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Lol
My friends named Devin brown and he's 305 lbs and runs a 12.5 40 Its a common name.
Pittstop
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Bearly Clad said:

BearForceOne said:

Question for anyone who might know about such things:

How does having a lefty QB vs a righty QB affect the offensive players?

For example, if a WR is used to playing with a right handed QB, is it a big adjustment to now catch balls thrown by a lefty? Would the coaches have to modify play design or play calling?

And what about for RBs? Would Ott and Thomas need to line up on the other side of the QB for lefties vs righties? I'm sure they can adjust, but would players have a "preference" (if only from habit or muscle memory) about which side they like to receive the handoff on?

Just curious since I'm not sure when was the last time we had a lefty QB, and they seem to be less common than righties.

In my experience it's more of an adjustment for the OL than it is for receivers. The opposite spin and slightly different angle are marginal factors for WRs, TEs, and RBs that can be acclimated to in an offseason but for OL who have spent their entire careers basing their techniques off of blindside vs strong side it can be an adjustment. For example: your best run blocking and pulling guard generally plays the right side but when you flip it they need to be comfortable moving in the opposite directions and that takes some reps just to drill it down.

The good(?) news is that our OL needs to relearn everything so building from scratch is the same no matter what the QB is doing
Shouldn't be an issue if the OL is stout from left to right. The RT & RG just become the blind side protection instead of the LT & LG. But if they're all good, it shouldn't matter.
Big C
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Pittstop said:

Bearly Clad said:

BearForceOne said:

Question for anyone who might know about such things:

How does having a lefty QB vs a righty QB affect the offensive players?

For example, if a WR is used to playing with a right handed QB, is it a big adjustment to now catch balls thrown by a lefty? Would the coaches have to modify play design or play calling?

And what about for RBs? Would Ott and Thomas need to line up on the other side of the QB for lefties vs righties? I'm sure they can adjust, but would players have a "preference" (if only from habit or muscle memory) about which side they like to receive the handoff on?

Just curious since I'm not sure when was the last time we had a lefty QB, and they seem to be less common than righties.

In my experience it's more of an adjustment for the OL than it is for receivers. The opposite spin and slightly different angle are marginal factors for WRs, TEs, and RBs that can be acclimated to in an offseason but for OL who have spent their entire careers basing their techniques off of blindside vs strong side it can be an adjustment. For example: your best run blocking and pulling guard generally plays the right side but when you flip it they need to be comfortable moving in the opposite directions and that takes some reps just to drill it down.

The good(?) news is that our OL needs to relearn everything so building from scratch is the same no matter what the QB is doing
Shouldn't be an issue if the OL is stout from left to right. The RT & RG just become the blind side protection instead of the LT & LG. But if they're all good, it shouldn't matter.

How about if they're all "halfway decent"? Because that is my keepin'-it-real hope right now.
Pittstop
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Big C said:

Pittstop said:

Bearly Clad said:

BearForceOne said:

Question for anyone who might know about such things:

How does having a lefty QB vs a righty QB affect the offensive players?

For example, if a WR is used to playing with a right handed QB, is it a big adjustment to now catch balls thrown by a lefty? Would the coaches have to modify play design or play calling?

And what about for RBs? Would Ott and Thomas need to line up on the other side of the QB for lefties vs righties? I'm sure they can adjust, but would players have a "preference" (if only from habit or muscle memory) about which side they like to receive the handoff on?

Just curious since I'm not sure when was the last time we had a lefty QB, and they seem to be less common than righties.

In my experience it's more of an adjustment for the OL than it is for receivers. The opposite spin and slightly different angle are marginal factors for WRs, TEs, and RBs that can be acclimated to in an offseason but for OL who have spent their entire careers basing their techniques off of blindside vs strong side it can be an adjustment. For example: your best run blocking and pulling guard generally plays the right side but when you flip it they need to be comfortable moving in the opposite directions and that takes some reps just to drill it down.

The good(?) news is that our OL needs to relearn everything so building from scratch is the same no matter what the QB is doing
Shouldn't be an issue if the OL is stout from left to right. The RT & RG just become the blind side protection instead of the LT & LG. But if they're all good, it shouldn't matter.

How about if they're all "halfway decent"? Because that is my keepin'-it-real hope right now.
Then it still wouldn't matter much, would it? Both the left side AND right side (blind side) protection would only be "halfway decent" then.
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Johnfox said:

Devin Brown is in the Cal student directory so I assume he has filled out his paper work and has signed with Cal


This contradicts Everything that Brown said after when he confirmed he was sticking with OSU

Based upon those statements I thought that Brown was waffling on his decision to come to Cal and he was going to keep his options open.

We live in curious times.
Sounds like Alice in Wonderland. A word means only what I intend that it means. No more and no less.
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He never said he was sticking with OSU. He said at that point that he had not made a decision to go to Cal, and that he would be with OSU through the playoff. Which is true. He is still playing for them.
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GivemTheAxe said:

Johnfox said:

Devin Brown is in the Cal student directory so I assume he has filled out his paper work and has signed with Cal


This contradicts Everything that Brown said after when he confirmed he was sticking with OSU

Based upon those statements I thought that Brown was waffling on his decision to come to Cal and he was going to keep his options open.

We live in curious times.
Sounds like Alice in Wonderland. A word means only what I intend that it means. No more and no less.
Reading between the lines, it's pretty clear that Devin Brown has committed to Cal...but that he wants to wait until OSU's season is over to officially announce that decision.
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Oski87 said:

He never said he was sticking with OSU. He said at that point that he had not made a decision to go to Cal, and that he would be with OSU through the playoff. Which is true. He is still playing for them.
"...in case the starter gets hurt." To me, that's still allegiance to OSU.
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Rushinbear said:

Oski87 said:

He never said he was sticking with OSU. He said at that point that he had not made a decision to go to Cal, and that he would be with OSU through the playoff. Which is true. He is still playing for them.
"...in case the starter gets hurt." To me, that's still allegiance to OSU.

I'm glad he's a guy who completes his commitments, unlike some QBs we know. Of course, there's a difference between the CFP and the bowl we went to, but still...
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I'd like to see EJ Caminong make big strides this off-season.
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ManBearLion123 said:

GivemTheAxe said:

Johnfox said:

Devin Brown is in the Cal student directory so I assume he has filled out his paper work and has signed with Cal


This contradicts Everything that Brown said after when he confirmed he was sticking with OSU

Based upon those statements I thought that Brown was waffling on his decision to come to Cal and he was going to keep his options open.

We live in curious times.
Sounds like Alice in Wonderland. A word means only what I intend that it means. No more and no less.
Reading between the lines, it's pretty clear that Devin Brown has committed to Cal...but that he wants to wait until OSU's season is over to officially announce that decision.


If Cal reports him as a registered student (meaning that he has filled out the paperwork and signed with Cal) then he probably is committed to Cal - maybe.

However his interview at OSU when he reaffirmed his commitment to stay with OSU through the playoffs he certainly does NOT sound like he is or feels committed to Cal.
He is asked the question "whether your experience will help you "wherever you go next"?
His reply is that this experience will certainly help me
"wherever I go next "

If he is coming to Cal. Why not just say it? Why bother using the code words "wherever I go next"
Unless he is replaying a Monty Python skit:

"You know "wherever I go next. (Nudge, nudge, wink,wink)"
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GivemTheAxe said:




If Cal reports him as a registered student (meaning that he has filled out the paperwork and signed with Cal) then he probably is committed to Cal - maybe.

However his interview at OSU when he reaffirmed his commitment to stay with OSU through the playoffs he certainly does NOT sound like he is or feels committed to Cal.
He is asked the question "whether your experience help You "wherever you go next"?
His reply is that this experience will certainly help me "
"wherever I go next "

If he is coming to Cal. Why not just say it? Why bother using the code words "wherever I go next"
Unless he is replaying a Monty Python skit:

"You know "wherever I go next. (Nudge, nudge, wink,wink)"
maybe but a lot of guys (and coaches) would prefer you don't say anything that could indicate you're not fully committed. he is one injury away from getting the most important college snaps possible
Haloski
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Ever since Toshgate, I believe absolutely nothing until I see a guy in blue and gold.

After Fernando, I don't even believe that anymore.

The only constant: Go Bears!
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Rushinbear said:

Oski87 said:

He never said he was sticking with OSU. He said at that point that he had not made a decision to go to Cal, and that he would be with OSU through the playoff. Which is true. He is still playing for them.
"...in case the starter gets hurt." To me, that's still allegiance to OSU.

Of course he has allegiance to OSU... why would you expect something less?

Why should he walk away from competing in the the CFP with his teammates?
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GivemTheAxe said:

ManBearLion123 said:

GivemTheAxe said:

Johnfox said:

Devin Brown is in the Cal student directory so I assume he has filled out his paper work and has signed with Cal


This contradicts Everything that Brown said after when he confirmed he was sticking with OSU

Based upon those statements I thought that Brown was waffling on his decision to come to Cal and he was going to keep his options open.

We live in curious times.
Sounds like Alice in Wonderland. A word means only what I intend that it means. No more and no less.
Reading between the lines, it's pretty clear that Devin Brown has committed to Cal...but that he wants to wait until OSU's season is over to officially announce that decision.


If Cal reports him as a registered student (meaning that he has filled out the paperwork and signed with Cal) then he probably is committed to Cal - maybe.

However his interview at OSU when he reaffirmed his commitment to stay with OSU through the playoffs he certainly does NOT sound like he is or feels committed to Cal.
He is asked the question "whether your experience will help you "wherever you go next"?
His reply is that this experience will certainly help me
"wherever I go next "

If he is coming to Cal. Why not just say it? Why bother using the code words "wherever I go next"
Unless he is replaying a Monty Python skit:

"You know "wherever I go next. (Nudge, nudge, wink,wink)"
Why would he want to be a distraction to his team? If says, "I'm going to Cal" (or wherever), it becomes a topic of conversation that detracts from his role at OSU and the game. Kudos to him for not making this about him and staying to support his team. It shows he has a lot of character.

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BearGoggles said:

GivemTheAxe said:

ManBearLion123 said:

GivemTheAxe said:

Johnfox said:

Devin Brown is in the Cal student directory so I assume he has filled out his paper work and has signed with Cal


This contradicts Everything that Brown said after when he confirmed he was sticking with OSU

Based upon those statements I thought that Brown was waffling on his decision to come to Cal and he was going to keep his options open.

We live in curious times.
Sounds like Alice in Wonderland. A word means only what I intend that it means. No more and no less.
Reading between the lines, it's pretty clear that Devin Brown has committed to Cal...but that he wants to wait until OSU's season is over to officially announce that decision.


If Cal reports him as a registered student (meaning that he has filled out the paperwork and signed with Cal) then he probably is committed to Cal - maybe.

However his interview at OSU when he reaffirmed his commitment to stay with OSU through the playoffs he certainly does NOT sound like he is or feels committed to Cal.
He is asked the question "whether your experience will help you "wherever you go next"?
His reply is that this experience will certainly help me
"wherever I go next "

If he is coming to Cal. Why not just say it? Why bother using the code words "wherever I go next"
Unless he is replaying a Monty Python skit:

"You know "wherever I go next. (Nudge, nudge, wink,wink)"
Why would he want to be a distraction to his team? If says, "I'm going to Cal" (or wherever), it becomes a topic of conversation that detracts from his role at OSU and the game. Kudos to him for not making this about him and staying to support his team. It shows he has a lot of character.



Exactly. You give 100% -- and you give the impression you're giving 100% -- to the team that you're with, as long as you're with them. Kind of like Mendoza didn't.
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Cal_79 said:

Rushinbear said:

Oski87 said:

He never said he was sticking with OSU. He said at that point that he had not made a decision to go to Cal, and that he would be with OSU through the playoff. Which is true. He is still playing for them.
"...in case the starter gets hurt." To me, that's still allegiance to OSU.

Of course he has allegiance to OSU... why would you expect something less?

Why should he walk away from competing in the the CFP with his teammates?


I would expect something less because most players who have entered the portal and committed to a new team usually don't play in a bowl game for their old team. The reason given is the danger of getting hurt.

If Devon stays committed to Cal, I will say Kudos to Devon. He is a stand-up guy unlike Mendoza and most other players entering the Portal.

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Big C said:

BearGoggles said:

GivemTheAxe said:

ManBearLion123 said:

GivemTheAxe said:

Johnfox said:

Devin Brown is in the Cal student directory so I assume he has filled out his paper work and has signed with Cal


This contradicts Everything that Brown said after when he confirmed he was sticking with OSU

Based upon those statements I thought that Brown was waffling on his decision to come to Cal and he was going to keep his options open.

We live in curious times.
Sounds like Alice in Wonderland. A word means only what I intend that it means. No more and no less.
Reading between the lines, it's pretty clear that Devin Brown has committed to Cal...but that he wants to wait until OSU's season is over to officially announce that decision.


If Cal reports him as a registered student (meaning that he has filled out the paperwork and signed with Cal) then he probably is committed to Cal - maybe.

However his interview at OSU when he reaffirmed his commitment to stay with OSU through the playoffs he certainly does NOT sound like he is or feels committed to Cal.
He is asked the question "whether your experience will help you "wherever you go next"?
His reply is that this experience will certainly help me
"wherever I go next "

If he is coming to Cal. Why not just say it? Why bother using the code words "wherever I go next"
Unless he is replaying a Monty Python skit:

"You know "wherever I go next. (Nudge, nudge, wink,wink)"
Why would he want to be a distraction to his team? If says, "I'm going to Cal" (or wherever), it becomes a topic of conversation that detracts from his role at OSU and the game. Kudos to him for not making this about him and staying to support his team. It shows he has a lot of character.



Exactly. You give 100% -- and you give the impression you're giving 100% -- to the team that you're with, as long as you're with them. Kind of like Mendoza didn't.
I just said that in response to the people who are saying that he's committed to Cal or that his entry into the Portal at that time meant that he's not committed to OSU, still, or that he's coming to Cal.

He still has an attachment to OSU, be it emotional or practical. Otherwise, he'd have left and not worried about who might back up the starter, IF he got hurt. That's all I was saying - let's not get our hopes up til he's here. No judgment on his remaining at OSU for however long.
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