USC-Notre Dame in jeopardy

3,132 Views | 23 Replies | Last: 7 mo ago by Big C
okaydo
How long do you want to ignore this user?
Wow.

I believe that the USC-Notre Dame rivalry grew out of Cal trying to ban USC.

I'll have to check up on that.

golden sloth
How long do you want to ignore this user?
I feel like all that matters anymore is making the College Football Playoff, which is why every school is trying to game the schedule to give themselves the best chance at the playoff.

This is why I hate the College Football Playoffs.
MinotStateBeav
How long do you want to ignore this user?
golden sloth said:

I feel like all that matters anymore is making the College Football Playoff, which is why every school is trying to game the schedule to give themselves the best chance at the playoff.

This is why I hate the College Football Playoffs.
If you just do the math Cal has no chance to compete, they will fall behind the major competition because the SEC/B1G is gaining such a massive financial advantage each year this continues. This kind of reminds me how college football was before they put scholarship limits on and you would see USC/Michigan have 120 - 130 man rosters and just take up all the talent and guys that would start at Cal, were sitting deep on USC's bench. In 5 years of this Cal will be behind schools like Purdue by 500 million.
Bobodeluxe
How long do you want to ignore this user?
MinotStateBeav said:

golden sloth said:

I feel like all that matters anymore is making the College Football Playoff, which is why every school is trying to game the schedule to give themselves the best chance at the playoff.

This is why I hate the College Football Playoffs.
If you just do the math Cal has no chance to compete, they will fall behind the major competition because the SEC/B1G is gaining such a massive financial advantage each year this continues. This kind of reminds me how college football was before they put scholarship limits on and you would see USC/Michigan have 120 - 130 man rosters and just take up all the talent and guys that would start at Cal, were sitting deep on USC's bench. In 5 years of this Cal will be behind schools like Purdue by 500 million.
Why, WHY, do you hate america?
calumnus
How long do you want to ignore this user?
MinotStateBeav said:

golden sloth said:

I feel like all that matters anymore is making the College Football Playoff, which is why every school is trying to game the schedule to give themselves the best chance at the playoff.

This is why I hate the College Football Playoffs.
If you just do the math Cal has no chance to compete, they will fall behind the major competition because the SEC/B1G is gaining such a massive financial advantage each year this continues. This kind of reminds me how college football was before they put scholarship limits on and you would see USC/Michigan have 120 - 130 man rosters and just take up all the talent and guys that would start at Cal, were sitting deep on USC's bench. In 5 years of this Cal will be behind schools like Purdue by 500 million.


Our only chance to compete is to do what SMU did and start challenging for the ACC Championship while we can, make the CFP regularly, start expanding our fanbase and position ourselves to be added to a B1G West pod in the next realignment.

Even if we drop down to AA and accept being UCLA's farm team, we need to build our brand and revenues to be sustainable.
BearSD
How long do you want to ignore this user?
calumnus said:

MinotStateBeav said:

golden sloth said:




Our only chance to compete is to do what SMU did ...
This is what SMU did:
Quote:

The SMU Athletics Department is thrilled to announce a historic milestone in its fundraising efforts, raising a record-breaking $159 million during the 2023-2024 fiscal year. This unprecedented achievement underscores the unwavering support and commitment of the SMU community, alumni, and supporters towards advancing the university's athletic programs.
. . .
Fundraising success was punctuated by:
  • A record 4 eight-figure gifts
  • A record 35 seven-figure gifts
  • A record 82 six-figure gifts
  • Capital Support: A substantial portion of the funds will be dedicated to the Weber End Zone Complex, SMU's 192,500 square foot football operations center and club space set to open for the 2024 football season
  • ACC Competitiveness Campaign: Following the First Week Society's $100 million, SMU launched a $25 million campaign with 100% of the proceeds benefitting the department's transition to the ACC.
  • A record 4,831 Mustang Club members

https://smumustangs.com/news/2024/6/18/smu-athletics-celebrates-record-breaking-fundraising-year-heading-into-the-acc.aspx
Bobodeluxe
How long do you want to ignore this user?
BearSD said:

calumnus said:

MinotStateBeav said:

golden sloth said:




Our only chance to compete is to do what SMU did ...
This is what SMU did:
Quote:

The SMU Athletics Department is thrilled to announce a historic milestone in its fundraising efforts, raising a record-breaking $159 million during the 2023-2024 fiscal year. This unprecedented achievement underscores the unwavering support and commitment of the SMU community, alumni, and supporters towards advancing the university's athletic programs.
. . .
Fundraising success was punctuated by:
  • A record 4 eight-figure gifts
  • A record 35 seven-figure gifts
  • A record 82 six-figure gifts
  • Capital Support: A substantial portion of the funds will be dedicated to the Weber End Zone Complex, SMU's 192,500 square foot football operations center and club space set to open for the 2024 football season
  • ACC Competitiveness Campaign: Following the First Week Society's $100 million, SMU launched a $25 million campaign with 100% of the proceeds benefitting the department's transition to the ACC.
  • A record 4,831 Mustang Club members

https://smumustangs.com/news/2024/6/18/smu-athletics-celebrates-record-breaking-fundraising-year-heading-into-the-acc.aspx


Easy peasy.
ColoradoBear
How long do you want to ignore this user?
So what I am thinking here is that Notre Dame needs an west coast game and Stanford still sucks.
wifeisafurd
How long do you want to ignore this user?
ColoradoBear said:

So what I am thinking here is that Notre Dame needs an west coast game and Stanford still sucks.
And the Stanford series is ending. Good question for Ron R. on Wednesday.
wifeisafurd
How long do you want to ignore this user?
Not sure SC really provides the same profile it once did especially the number of seats USC demands in an already sold out ND Stadium. That said, SC's coach's comment really is mind blowing.
HearstMining
How long do you want to ignore this user?
wifeisafurd said:

Not sure SC really provides the same profile it once did especially the number of seats USC demands in an already sold out ND Stadium. That said, SC's coach's comment really is mind blowing.
Riley's comments remind me of David Shaw's attitude regarding the The Guardsmen's Luncheon on Big Game week back in 2013. Same chickens!it attitude, although as a Stanford alum, Shaw's position was even more irritating.

EDIT - Here's a link, although I don't know who the author was/is. https://zennie62blog.com/21/11/2013/cal-stanford-big-game-luncheon-2013-david-shaw-skips-larry-beil-for-bob-sarlatte-71806/33956/
calumnus
How long do you want to ignore this user?
Bobodeluxe said:

BearSD said:

calumnus said:

MinotStateBeav said:

golden sloth said:




Our only chance to compete is to do what SMU did ...
This is what SMU did:
Quote:

The SMU Athletics Department is thrilled to announce a historic milestone in its fundraising efforts, raising a record-breaking $159 million during the 2023-2024 fiscal year. This unprecedented achievement underscores the unwavering support and commitment of the SMU community, alumni, and supporters towards advancing the university's athletic programs.
. . .
Fundraising success was punctuated by:
  • A record 4 eight-figure gifts
  • A record 35 seven-figure gifts
  • A record 82 six-figure gifts
  • Capital Support: A substantial portion of the funds will be dedicated to the Weber End Zone Complex, SMU's 192,500 square foot football operations center and club space set to open for the 2024 football season
  • ACC Competitiveness Campaign: Following the First Week Society's $100 million, SMU launched a $25 million campaign with 100% of the proceeds benefitting the department's transition to the ACC.
  • A record 4,831 Mustang Club members

https://smumustangs.com/news/2024/6/18/smu-athletics-celebrates-record-breaking-fundraising-year-heading-into-the-acc.aspx


Easy peasy.


247 Portal Rankings

2023 SMU #13 Cal #18

2024 SMU #32 Cal #17

2025 SMU #41 Cal #38

Looks like Cal Legends has been holding their own with SMU's boosters so far, as least as far as the Portal goes. I don't think that works as the excuse for only going 2-6 in the ACC in our first year instead of 8-0 like SMU did.
calumnus
How long do you want to ignore this user?
ColoradoBear said:

So what I am thinking here is that Notre Dame needs an west coast game and Stanford still sucks.


Assuming an annual game, the question would be whether it would count as one of the 5 annual ACC games. I think the other ACC schools would object if it did. I assume Notre Dame would be OK with 6 ACC games.

With Stanford and USC they used to have an annual game in California.

Golden One
How long do you want to ignore this user?
calumnus said:

Bobodeluxe said:

BearSD said:

calumnus said:

MinotStateBeav said:

golden sloth said:




Our only chance to compete is to do what SMU did ...
This is what SMU did:
Quote:

The SMU Athletics Department is thrilled to announce a historic milestone in its fundraising efforts, raising a record-breaking $159 million during the 2023-2024 fiscal year. This unprecedented achievement underscores the unwavering support and commitment of the SMU community, alumni, and supporters towards advancing the university's athletic programs.
. . .
Fundraising success was punctuated by:
  • A record 4 eight-figure gifts
  • A record 35 seven-figure gifts
  • A record 82 six-figure gifts
  • Capital Support: A substantial portion of the funds will be dedicated to the Weber End Zone Complex, SMU's 192,500 square foot football operations center and club space set to open for the 2024 football season
  • ACC Competitiveness Campaign: Following the First Week Society's $100 million, SMU launched a $25 million campaign with 100% of the proceeds benefitting the department's transition to the ACC.
  • A record 4,831 Mustang Club members

https://smumustangs.com/news/2024/6/18/smu-athletics-celebrates-record-breaking-fundraising-year-heading-into-the-acc.aspx


Easy peasy.


247 Portal Rankings

2023 SMU #13 Cal #18

2024 SMU #32 Cal #17

2025 SMU #41 Cal #38

Looks like Cal Legends has been holding their own with SMU's boosters so far, as least as far as the Portal goes. I don't think that works as the excuse for only going 2-6 in the ACC in our first year instead of 8-0 like SMU did.


The difference is coaching. Cal has a terrible head coach.
BearSD
How long do you want to ignore this user?
calumnus said:

Bobodeluxe said:

BearSD said:

calumnus said:

MinotStateBeav said:

golden sloth said:




Our only chance to compete is to do what SMU did ...
This is what SMU did:
Quote:

The SMU Athletics Department is thrilled to announce a historic milestone in its fundraising efforts, raising a record-breaking $159 million during the 2023-2024 fiscal year. This unprecedented achievement underscores the unwavering support and commitment of the SMU community, alumni, and supporters towards advancing the university's athletic programs.
. . .
Fundraising success was punctuated by:
  • A record 4 eight-figure gifts
  • A record 35 seven-figure gifts
  • A record 82 six-figure gifts
  • Capital Support: A substantial portion of the funds will be dedicated to the Weber End Zone Complex, SMU's 192,500 square foot football operations center and club space set to open for the 2024 football season
  • ACC Competitiveness Campaign: Following the First Week Society's $100 million, SMU launched a $25 million campaign with 100% of the proceeds benefitting the department's transition to the ACC.
  • A record 4,831 Mustang Club members

https://smumustangs.com/news/2024/6/18/smu-athletics-celebrates-record-breaking-fundraising-year-heading-into-the-acc.aspx


Easy peasy.


247 Portal Rankings

2023 SMU #13 Cal #18

2024 SMU #32 Cal #17

2025 SMU #41 Cal #38

Looks like Cal Legends has been holding their own with SMU's boosters so far, as least as far as the Portal goes. I don't think that works as the excuse for only going 2-6 in the ACC in our first year instead of 8-0 like SMU did.


You are only looking at transfer players. If you look at overall recruiting rankings for 2025, SMU is #32. Cal is #66, barely ahead of #67 Georgia State.
Bobodeluxe
How long do you want to ignore this user?
BearSD said:

calumnus said:

Bobodeluxe said:

BearSD said:

calumnus said:


Our only chance to compete is to do what SMU did ...
This is what SMU did:
Quote:

The SMU Athletics Department is thrilled to announce a historic milestone in its fundraising efforts, raising a record-breaking $159 million during the 2023-2024 fiscal year. This unprecedented achievement underscores the unwavering support and commitment of the SMU community, alumni, and supporters towards advancing the university's athletic programs.
. . .
Fundraising success was punctuated by:
  • A record 4 eight-figure gifts
  • A record 35 seven-figure gifts
  • A record 82 six-figure gifts
  • Capital Support: A substantial portion of the funds will be dedicated to the Weber End Zone Complex, SMU's 192,500 square foot football operations center and club space set to open for the 2024 football season
  • ACC Competitiveness Campaign: Following the First Week Society's $100 million, SMU launched a $25 million campaign with 100% of the proceeds benefitting the department's transition to the ACC.
  • A record 4,831 Mustang Club members

https://smumustangs.com/news/2024/6/18/smu-athletics-celebrates-record-breaking-fundraising-year-heading-into-the-acc.aspx


Easy peasy.


247 Portal Rankings

2023 SMU #13 Cal #18

2024 SMU #32 Cal #17

2025 SMU #41 Cal #38

Looks like Cal Legends has been holding their own with SMU's boosters so far, as least as far as the Portal goes. I don't think that works as the excuse for only going 2-6 in the ACC in our first year instead of 8-0 like SMU did.


You are only looking at transfer players. If you look at overall recruiting rankings for 2025, SMU is #32. Cal is #66, barely ahead of #67 Georgia State.
The outgoing transfers are highly rated, however.
calumnus
How long do you want to ignore this user?
BearSD said:

calumnus said:

Bobodeluxe said:

BearSD said:

calumnus said:

MinotStateBeav said:

golden sloth said:




Our only chance to compete is to do what SMU did ...
This is what SMU did:
Quote:

The SMU Athletics Department is thrilled to announce a historic milestone in its fundraising efforts, raising a record-breaking $159 million during the 2023-2024 fiscal year. This unprecedented achievement underscores the unwavering support and commitment of the SMU community, alumni, and supporters towards advancing the university's athletic programs.
. . .
Fundraising success was punctuated by:
  • A record 4 eight-figure gifts
  • A record 35 seven-figure gifts
  • A record 82 six-figure gifts
  • Capital Support: A substantial portion of the funds will be dedicated to the Weber End Zone Complex, SMU's 192,500 square foot football operations center and club space set to open for the 2024 football season
  • ACC Competitiveness Campaign: Following the First Week Society's $100 million, SMU launched a $25 million campaign with 100% of the proceeds benefitting the department's transition to the ACC.
  • A record 4,831 Mustang Club members

https://smumustangs.com/news/2024/6/18/smu-athletics-celebrates-record-breaking-fundraising-year-heading-into-the-acc.aspx


Easy peasy.


247 Portal Rankings

2023 SMU #13 Cal #18

2024 SMU #32 Cal #17

2025 SMU #41 Cal #38

Looks like Cal Legends has been holding their own with SMU's boosters so far, as least as far as the Portal goes. I don't think that works as the excuse for only going 2-6 in the ACC in our first year instead of 8-0 like SMU did.


You are only looking at transfer players. If you look at overall recruiting rankings for 2025, SMU is #32. Cal is #66, barely ahead of #67 Georgia State.


With the 2025 class you are looking at the benefit of SMU's great first ACC season in 2024 going 8-0 and the consequences of our flop going 2-6.

Overall (Portal and HS) Recruiting rankings going into that 2024 season:

SMU #57 Cal#39

Cal had 5 FourStar players SMU had 2.

Thanks to Cal Legends we were doing better in recruiting than SMU was going into the ACC. We just failed to capitalize on it.
Bearly Clad
How long do you want to ignore this user?
The #67 number is also weighed down by our best recruit (JKS) being considered a transfer as opposed to a HS recruit due to his two-week layover in Oregon. It kinda balances out with him being credited as a transfer but not entirely because he's now lower rated by their metrics. HS recruits on 24/7 use a composite of the recruiting services while transfers just have the 24/7 grade; so instead of being a 96 rated recruit he's just a 90. That doesn't seem like much but their class rating system grades a high 4* recruit like that as valuable as 3-4 guys rated as 3*. It wouldn't be enough to catch SMU in the class rankings but it would be enough to bump up the overall class grade from 56 to 49
Bobodeluxe
How long do you want to ignore this user?
49!?!?

We're talking Chitos Bowl territory!
BearSD
How long do you want to ignore this user?
Bobodeluxe said:

49!?!?

We're talking Chitos Bowl territory!
Some folks hate the playcalling and other strategic decisions of Cal's coaching staff so much that they have convinced themselves that it's The Only Problem. "No other team's coaches have ever made a bad playcall or played the wrong defensive scheme, and our recruiting is just as good as the recruiting of the very best teams, so *obviously* the playcalling is the only reason our Bears are not a perennial playoff team."
Bobodeluxe
How long do you want to ignore this user?
BearSD said:

Bobodeluxe said:

49!?!?

We're talking Chitos Bowl territory!
Some folks hate the playcalling and other strategic decisions of Cal's coaching staff so much that they have convinced themselves that it's The Only Problem. "No other team's coaches have ever made a bad playcall or played the wrong defensive scheme, and our recruiting is just as good as the recruiting of the very best teams, so *obviously* the playcalling is the only reason our Bears are not a perennial playoff team."
You not drinking 'nuf Kool-Aid, mistah!
calumnus
How long do you want to ignore this user?
BearSD said:

Bobodeluxe said:

49!?!?

We're talking Chitos Bowl territory!
Some folks hate the playcalling and other strategic decisions of Cal's coaching staff so much that they have convinced themselves that it's The Only Problem. "No other team's coaches have ever made a bad playcall or played the wrong defensive scheme, and our recruiting is just as good as the recruiting of the very best teams, so *obviously* the playcalling is the only reason our Bears are not a perennial playoff team."


No some of us recognize Wilcox's 8 years of bad recruiting, poor staff hiring favoring his friends from the PNW, and lack of strategic vision in addition to 8 years of mostly bad playcalling and in game coaching.
It is just that when you are on your 4th OC in 4 years there is an implicit admission that playcalling has been an issue.

However, the above was mitigated somewhat by the California Legends Collective helping to deliver back/to-back top 20 Portal classes in 2023 and 2024 entering the ACC with what turned out to be our easiest schedule in 100 years. Our playcalling was even good enough with a dramatic improvement in Mendoza as a QB to give us 4th quarter leads in 10 games. That we failed to capitalize on that last season is most attributable to repeated poor 4th quarter game management and playcalling, most likely due to Wilcox's wanting to be "conservative" but misunderstanding the actual odds and optimal strategy that had the greatest likelihood of success (ie continue doing what you have been successful doing and got you your lead in the first place).
Golden One
How long do you want to ignore this user?
calumnus said:



No some of us recognize Wilcox's 8 years of bad recruiting, poor staff hiring favoring his friends from the PNW, and lack of strategic vision in addition to 8 years of mostly bad playcalling and in game coaching.
It is just that when you are on your 4th OC in 4 years there is an implicit admission that playcalling has been an issue.

However, the above was mitigated somewhat by the California Legends Collective helping to deliver back/to-back top 20 Portal classes in 2023 and 2024 entering the ACC with what turned out to be our easiest schedule in 100 years. Our playcalling was even good enough with a dramatic improvement in Mendoza as a QB to give us 4th quarter leads in 10 games. That we failed to capitalize on that last season is most attributable to repeated poor 4th quarter game management and playcalling, most likely due to Wilcox's wanting to be "conservative" but misunderstanding the actual odds and optimal strategy that had the greatest likelihood of success (ie continue doing what you have been successful doing and got you your lead on the first place.
It's incomprehensible that Wilcox hasn't awakened to this obvious truth in 8 years. That just speaks to how inept and incompetent he really is. He can't be gone soon enough.
Big C
How long do you want to ignore this user?
calumnus said:

BearSD said:

Bobodeluxe said:

49!?!?

We're talking Chitos Bowl territory!
Some folks hate the playcalling and other strategic decisions of Cal's coaching staff so much that they have convinced themselves that it's The Only Problem. "No other team's coaches have ever made a bad playcall or played the wrong defensive scheme, and our recruiting is just as good as the recruiting of the very best teams, so *obviously* the playcalling is the only reason our Bears are not a perennial playoff team."


No some of us recognize Wilcox's 8 years of bad recruiting, poor staff hiring favoring his friends from the PNW, and lack of strategic vision in addition to 8 years of mostly bad playcalling and in game coaching.
It is just that when you are on your 4th OC in 4 years there is an implicit admission that playcalling has been an issue.

However, the above was mitigated somewhat by the California Legends Collective helping to deliver back/to-back top 20 Portal classes in 2023 and 2024 entering the ACC with what turned out to be our easiest schedule in 100 years. Our playcalling was even good enough with a dramatic improvement in Mendoza as a QB to give us 4th quarter leads in 10 games. That we failed to capitalize on that last season is most attributable to repeated poor 4th quarter game management and playcalling, most likely due to Wilcox's wanting to be "conservative" but misunderstanding the actual odds and optimal strategy that had the greatest likelihood of success (ie continue doing what you have been successful doing and got you your lead in the first place).

Largely agree, although I would add that the poor S&C played a role, as well. Hopin' the new guy works out great!
Refresh
Page 1 of 1
 
×
subscribe Verify your student status
See Subscription Benefits
Trial only available to users who have never subscribed or participated in a previous trial.