Let's start:

Ron
Rolovich
Ryan Grubb
Tosh
DeSean

We can be creative, serious, whatever, but better than Wilcox

The local 2nd grade Next Level Flag Football Coach would suffice!

ChatGPT

No Tosh.

Traitors are persona non grata forever.

Will Stein
Tosh Lupoi
Kirby Moore
Nick Rolovich
Ed Orgeron
James Franklin
Ryan Grubb

kal kommie said:

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No Tosh.

Traitors are persona non grata forever.

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Two things:

1. We will need a massive reload on the offensive side of the ball to keep JKS around, so a coach who is an excellent recruiter will be important, and

2. This program is on the edge of oblivion and to let a 15 year beef derail this program for the next 50 years is asinine

If Tosh is interested, get him in here and the talent will upgrade massively overnight

It's gonna be a really bad year for us to have a HC opening. We have to do it but the list of programs already on the carousel (P4 only):

Penn State
OkSt
Arkansas
LSJU
Florida
VT
UC Los Angeles

And there will be more firings through the season, at the end of the year, and at schools that those programs poach HCs from. We probably end up being something like the 12th to 15th most desirable destination for a coach with options, not even counting guys who are up & comers at lower levels and decide to stick around and wait for a bigger opportunity. It's gonna be incredibly difficult unless we find an under-the-radar diamond or Ron has somebody in his Rolodex who shocks the world by taking our job. Someone else is gonna nab Sumrall from Tulane (likely a southeastern team), Jason Eck from New Mexico might be a longshot for us or have other offers, Davis Webb wants to be an NFL coach, etc . . .

I just don't know who we realistically can steal who wants to come here to elevate the program. I'm just gonna have to trust that Ron gets it done but I've seen this go poorly before so I'm admittedly nervous. Like I said, has to be done but I hope we don't get locked in to another Dykes or Wilcox with no room to move on. At least UC Los Angeles took a flier on a guy with a low enough buyout to be out after one year

kal kommie said:

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No Tosh.

Traitors are persona non grata forever.

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Bearly Clad said:

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At least UC Los Angeles took a flier on a guy with a low enough buyout to be out after one year

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If the bear runts stay hot they might just give Tim Skipper 5 years and see what he does, although you did not mention the inevitable firings at Wisconsin and North Carolina and those will also be hot jobs

Strykur said:

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kal kommie said:

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No Tosh.

Traitors are persona non grata forever.

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Two things:

1. We will need a massive reload on the offensive side of the ball to keep JKS around, so a coach who is an excellent recruiter will be important, and

2. This program is on the edge of oblivion and to let a 15 year beef derail this program for the next 50 years is asinine

If Tosh is interested, get him in here and the talent will upgrade massively overnight

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Benedict Arnold is still justly hated 247 years later. I don't care how long ago Tosh's gross betrayal was, I never want to see that guy associated with our program again.

A good recruiter would be nice. Let's find one who hasn't already f***ed us over before.

kal kommie said:

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Strykur said:

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kal kommie said:

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No Tosh.

Traitors are persona non grata forever.

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Two things:

1. We will need a massive reload on the offensive side of the ball to keep JKS around, so a coach who is an excellent recruiter will be important, and

2. This program is on the edge of oblivion and to let a 15 year beef derail this program for the next 50 years is asinine

If Tosh is interested, get him in here and the talent will upgrade massively overnight

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A good recruiter would be nice. Let's find one who hasn't already f***ed us over before.

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Such as...?

This is a coaching candidate thread, so who do you have in mind then

kal kommie said:

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Strykur said:

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kal kommie said:

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No Tosh.

Traitors are persona non grata forever.

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Two things:

1. We will need a massive reload on the offensive side of the ball to keep JKS around, so a coach who is an excellent recruiter will be important, and

2. This program is on the edge of oblivion and to let a 15 year beef derail this program for the next 50 years is asinine

If Tosh is interested, get him in here and the talent will upgrade massively overnight

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Benedict Arnold is still justly hated 247 years later. I don't care how long ago Tosh's gross betrayal was, I never want to see that guy associated with our program again.

A good recruiter would be nice. Let's find one who hasn't already f***ed us over before.

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+1

kal kommie said:

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No Tosh.

Traitors are persona non grata forever.

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So you must also think Wilcox is persona non grata forever then?

Given Wilcox was the only person on Sark's staff when tosh was poached that had any experience with Tosh. I feel like I keep coming back to this one. To think that Sarkisian just randomly contacted tosh out of the blue is absurd. Wilmoe was his f'ing coach for 3 years under Tedford.

Bearly Clad said:

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It's gonna be a really bad year for us to have a HC opening. We have to do it but the list of programs already on the carousel (P4 only):

Penn State
OkSt
Arkansas
LSJU
Florida
VT
UC Los Angeles

And there will be more firings through the season, at the end of the year, and at schools that those programs poach HCs from. We probably end up being something like the 12th to 15th most desirable destination for a coach with options, not even counting guys who are up & comers at lower levels and decide to stick around and wait for a bigger opportunity. It's gonna be incredibly difficult unless we find an under-the-radar diamond or Ron has somebody in his Rolodex who shocks the world by taking our job. Someone else is gonna nab Sumrall from Tulane (likely a southeastern team), Jason Eck from New Mexico might be a longshot for us or have other offers, Davis Webb wants to be an NFL coach, etc . . .

I just don't know who we realistically can steal who wants to come here to elevate the program. I'm just gonna have to trust that Ron gets it done but I've seen this go poorly before so I'm admittedly nervous. Like I said, has to be done but I hope we don't get locked in to another Dykes or Wilcox with no room to move on. At least UC Los Angeles took a flier on a guy with a low enough buyout to be out after one year

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I'm fine with that. I don't want to play in that pool anyway. I want a coach that has succeeded at a lower level who is dying to get a chance.

One thing that Tedford and Cignetti had in common was they both had a plan ready when they got the chance.

CNHTH said:

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kal kommie said:

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No Tosh.

Traitors are persona non grata forever.

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So you must also think Wilcox is persona non grata forever then?

Given Wilcox was the only person on Sark's staff when tosh was poached that had any experience with Tosh. I feel like I keep coming back to this one. To think that Sarkisian just randomly contacted tosh out of the blue is absurd. Wilmoe was his f'ing coach for 3 years under Tedford.

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Wilcox didn't betray us because unlike Tosh, he wasn't working for us.

But that's really beside the point. I don't care about Wilcox. Once he's fired here, he's never coming back. If it makes you feel better to say he's persona non grata too, have at it. This is about Tosh and his gross betrayal.

CNHTH said:

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kal kommie said:

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No Tosh.

Traitors are persona non grata forever.

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So you must also think Wilcox is persona non grata forever then?

Given Wilcox was the only person on Sark's staff when tosh was poached that had any experience with Tosh. I feel like I keep coming back to this one. To think that Sarkisian just randomly contacted tosh out of the blue is absurd. Wilmoe was his f'ing coach for 3 years under Tedford.

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And more to the point it shows what type of man Wilcox is…

Tedford gives him his first coaching gig and he turns around and poaches the best recruiter in the country and a cal alum to serve himself and completely destroys tedford's career in the process. All because he knows he can't hack it on his own and needed tosh to recruit.

He then goes back to the same university he stabbed in the back when he unethically poached tosh to save himself and proceeds to make excuses for 9 years straight about why he sucks big old donkey dick as a recruiter and even bigger donkey dick as a playcaller and a clock manager. And to make matters even worse he throws his own players under the bus. And even tries to piggy back on organic momentum built by fans and in doing so destroys it like everything else he touches. He also oversees Paige Cornelius scandal and the Isaac Torres stuff now too. Oh and also he lies to our then hapless ad to hustle another 20 million out of the university by telling him that another school (his dirt parking lot liberal arts crap college Alma mater) wanted him but he wanted to come back to us first (wow really the exact same bull**** tosh claimed)

And he chases off other alumni positional coaches.

To me he's a far worse human being than Tosh is / was / ever will be

Strykur said:

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Bearly Clad said:

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At least UC Los Angeles took a flier on a guy with a low enough buyout to be out after one year

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If the bear runts stay hot they might just give Tim Skipper 5 years and see what he does, although you did not mention the inevitable firings at Wisconsin and North Carolina and those will also be hot jobs

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In that case let me add Jerry Neuheisal to the HC candidates, with Rolo his OC. They would need an experienced DC.

I don't want anything to do with this current staff.

My sleeper candidate would be Kalani Sitake.
-Good track record with west coast ties
-Tongan decent but lived in Hawaii (JKS)
-Mission was out of Oakland LDS
-Team always looks buttoned up
-Decent staff hirings

JB was a Chieftain said:

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My sleeper candidate would be Kalani Sitake.
-Good track record with west coast ties
-Tongan decent but lived in Hawaii (JKS)
-Mission was out of Oakland LDS
-Team always looks buttoned up
-Decent staff hirings

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There are a lot of issues in the background with BYU but they are undefeated and in the playoff picture, why would he walk away from that (plus he has been mentioned as a candidate for the job in Westwood)

BearlyCareAnymore said:

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Bearly Clad said:

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It's gonna be a really bad year for us to have a HC opening. We have to do it but the list of programs already on the carousel (P4 only):

Penn State
OkSt
Arkansas
LSJU
Florida
VT
UC Los Angeles

And there will be more firings through the season, at the end of the year, and at schools that those programs poach HCs from. We probably end up being something like the 12th to 15th most desirable destination for a coach with options, not even counting guys who are up & comers at lower levels and decide to stick around and wait for a bigger opportunity. It's gonna be incredibly difficult unless we find an under-the-radar diamond or Ron has somebody in his Rolodex who shocks the world by taking our job. Someone else is gonna nab Sumrall from Tulane (likely a southeastern team), Jason Eck from New Mexico might be a longshot for us or have other offers, Davis Webb wants to be an NFL coach, etc . . .

I just don't know who we realistically can steal who wants to come here to elevate the program. I'm just gonna have to trust that Ron gets it done but I've seen this go poorly before so I'm admittedly nervous. Like I said, has to be done but I hope we don't get locked in to another Dykes or Wilcox with no room to move on. At least UC Los Angeles took a flier on a guy with a low enough buyout to be out after one year

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I'm fine with that. I don't want to play in that pool anyway. I want a coach that has succeeded at a lower level who is dying to get a chance.

One thing that Tedford and Cignetti had in common was they both had a plan ready when they got the chance.

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Like Tedford and Cignetti, I think the best up and coming hires are offensive oriented HC's or OCs that then hire a DC. Too many in game decisions are dependent on the offense. Offense sells tickets and gets eyeballs on TV. It is tough for a DC like Chloe or Wilcox to find a good OC and then even tougher to keep them without a lot of money.

The exception I would make to that is Ron, who has lots of experience as an HC at the highest level, gained a reputation as "Riverboat Ron" and could go after a top OC who would effectively be his heir

JB was a Chieftain said:

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My sleeper candidate would be Kalani Sitake.
-Good track record with west coast ties
-Tongan decent but lived in Hawaii (JKS)
-Mission was out of Oakland LDS
-Team always looks buttoned up
-Decent staff hirings

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Sorry but the time he called a fake punt on 4th and 17 from his two rules him out for me.

JB was a Chieftain said:

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My sleeper candidate would be Kalani Sitake.
-Good track record with west coast ties
-Tongan decent but lived in Hawaii (JKS)
-Mission was out of Oakland LDS
-Team always looks buttoned up
-Decent staff hirings

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Great hire that will never happen. He ain't leaving BYU for personal reasons, and even if he would, Cal can't afford him. For starters, he would owe BYU an estimated $10 million in buyout per the Pro Football Hall of Network (BYU gave him a new contract in late 2024, the terms of which are not public).

kal kommie said:

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No Tosh.

Traitors are persona non grata forever.

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Due to Tedford Tosh was forced to tell these super athletes lies and when Tedford then told him to take the fall for a defensive strategy that the NCAA penalized him for he was angry but then there was the academic scandal that Tosh warned needed to be addressed but wasn't, Tosh said enough is enough and bolted to Oregon and ironically became Wilcox's assistant who argued on the valor of Tosh.
We got Wilcox and Oregon has push and a top five team ever year.
Why is everything Tedford did Toshes fault?
You guys are ridiculous.
How about blaming Wilcox for fielding a bad teams for a decade?

TonyTiger said:

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kal kommie said:

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No Tosh.

Traitors are persona non grata forever.

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You guys are ridiculous.
How about blaming Wilcox for fielding a bad teams for a decade?

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Nah we are going to avoid potentially hiring a good coach and instead circle the drain out of the major college football scene because dumbasses on here can't turn the cheek

Tim Plough has the UC Davis program humming (currently #6 ranked in FCS). He's only been the HC a couple of years, but:

• Understands the Cal environment having been the TE coach for a year
• Knows what it's like to coach at an academically demanding school
• Only in his second year as HC at UCD but with somebody like Ron in the GM position to mentor him, it could work.

Don't think Plough has enough of a track record? That's what people on BI said about former USF basketball coach Todd Golden until Florida snapped him up.

HearstMining said:

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Tim Plough has the UC Davis program humming (currently #6 ranked in FCS). He's only been the HC a couple of years, but:

• Understands the Cal environment having been the TE coach for a year
• Knows what it's like to coach at an academically demanding school
• Only in his second year as HC at UCD but with somebody like Ron in the GM position to mentor him, it could work.

Don't think Plough has enough of a track record? That's what people on BI said about former USF basketball coach Todd Golden until Florida snapped him up.

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Additionally, it was rumored that he took over playcalling after Musgrave was relieved of duties. In the last two games of the season (Stanford and Southern Branch, iirc) the once moribund offense cam alive.

southseasbear said:

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HearstMining said:

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Tim Plough has the UC Davis program humming (currently #6 ranked in FCS). He's only been the HC a couple of years, but:

• Understands the Cal environment having been the TE coach for a year
• Knows what it's like to coach at an academically demanding school
• Only in his second year as HC at UCD but with somebody like Ron in the GM position to mentor him, it could work.

Don't think Plough has enough of a track record? That's what people on BI said about former USF basketball coach Todd Golden until Florida snapped him up.

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Additionally, it was rumored that he took over playcalling after Musgrave was relieved of duties. In the last two games of the season (Stanford and Southern Branch, iirc) the once moribund offense came alive.

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Former HC and offensive guru Jim Sochor tabbed Plough to lead the Davis program. Coach Plough has reportedly been contacted recently by 5-6 FBS programs. $1M plus per year, vastly more than his current contract.

Last year he lost an NFL running back (Lan Larison), a 4-year starter at QB, and the entire WR crew. He's reloaded w a mobile Redshirt Frosh QB (Caden Pinnick) who has won the POTW three weeks in a row. Last week he completed 85% of his passes, 0 TOs. (He's out sick today.) They also landed several key Ivy grad transfers, including Harvard DL Jacob Psyk, who is top 10 in sacks and TFL.

Plough this week said he's going nowhere without his family (his anchor), and wants to win a national championship at Davis. It sounds like he's set there for 5, 7, 10 years. His comments on the evolving college football landscape were interesting, noting "you're either one of the top 25-30, and then there's everybody else... we had no right being on the field w Washington (their lone loss, a blowout)".

He spoke of players in the era of poaching (NIL) money, and how the Aggies try to focus on developing HS players. How Davis KNOWS how to develop QBs, and he is 'hard' on Caden Pinnick, who can do better (3 broken plays, a late TD throw).

My sources say Cal players loved him.

So if it's not Tosh (which was never a strong possibility but still there), and if DeSean does not have the resume, and Ron decides to stay put, then who

Lane Kiffin, shoot our shot.

kal kommie said:

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Strykur said:

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kal kommie said:

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No Tosh.

Traitors are persona non grata forever.

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Two things:

1. We will need a massive reload on the offensive side of the ball to keep JKS around, so a coach who is an excellent recruiter will be important, and

2. This program is on the edge of oblivion and to let a 15 year beef derail this program for the next 50 years is asinine

If Tosh is interested, get him in here and the talent will upgrade massively overnight

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Benedict Arnold is still justly hated 247 years later. I don't care how long ago Tosh's gross betrayal was, I never want to see that guy associated with our program again.

A good recruiter would be nice. Let's find one who hasn't already f***ed us over before.

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The difference is that America won despite Benedict Arnold. The Cal analogy would be if the Revolutionary War was lost and the English colonies spent 250 years as oppressed as British India

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CNHTH said:

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kal kommie said:

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No Tosh.

Traitors are persona non grata forever.

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So you must also think Wilcox is persona non grata forever then?

Given Wilcox was the only person on Sark's staff when tosh was poached that had any experience with Tosh. I feel like I keep coming back to this one. To think that Sarkisian just randomly contacted tosh out of the blue is absurd. Wilmoe was his f'ing coach for 3 years under Tedford.

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And more to the point it shows what type of man Wilcox is…

Tedford gives him his first coaching gig and he turns around and poaches the best recruiter in the country and a cal alum to serve himself and completely destroys tedford's career in the process. All because he knows he can't hack it on his own and needed tosh to recruit.

He then goes back to the same university he stabbed in the back when he unethically poached tosh to save himself and proceeds to make excuses for 9 years straight about why he sucks big old donkey dick as a recruiter and even bigger donkey dick as a playcaller and a clock manager. And to make matters even worse he throws his own players under the bus. And even tries to piggy back on organic momentum built by fans and in doing so destroys it like everything else he touches. He also oversees Paige Cornelius scandal and the Isaac Torres stuff now too. Oh and also he lies to our then hapless ad to hustle another 20 million out of the university by telling him that another school (his dirt parking lot liberal arts crap college Alma mater) wanted him but he wanted to come back to us first (wow really the exact same bull**** tosh claimed)

And he chases off other alumni positional coaches.

To me he's a far worse human being than Tosh is / was / ever will be

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Just curious as to the basis of your assertion that Wilcox was responsible for Lupoi's move to UW. Wilcox was not the HC so, presumably, not the decider in that hire even jf he recommended it. Beyond that, it's hard for me to see how he's responsible for Lupoi's actions after the decision to move which, IMO, were the truly dishonorable aspect of the affair. I don't fault anyone for seeking a step up the career ladder or for recommending a former colleague to his current employer but Tosh's stealthy recruiting piracy seems akin to someone in the business world going out the door with a briefcase full of trade secrets. That's not to say his move to UW wasn't conditioned on who he could bring along or that Wilcox couldn't have been involved but that's an awful lot of speculation.

HearstMining said:

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Tim Plough has the UC Davis program humming (currently #6 ranked in FCS). He's only been the HC a couple of years, but:

• Understands the Cal environment having been the TE coach for a year
• Knows what it's like to coach at an academically demanding school
• Only in his second year as HC at UCD but with somebody like Ron in the GM position to mentor him, it could work.

Don't think Plough has enough of a track record? That's what people on BI said about former USF basketball coach Todd Golden until Florida snapped him up.

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this is exactly the kind of guy we can realistically get. We should try to snag him.

59bear said:

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CNHTH said:

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CNHTH said:

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kal kommie said:

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No Tosh.

Traitors are persona non grata forever.

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So you must also think Wilcox is persona non grata forever then?

Given Wilcox was the only person on Sark's staff when tosh was poached that had any experience with Tosh. I feel like I keep coming back to this one. To think that Sarkisian just randomly contacted tosh out of the blue is absurd. Wilmoe was his f'ing coach for 3 years under Tedford.

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And more to the point it shows what type of man Wilcox is…

Tedford gives him his first coaching gig and he turns around and poaches the best recruiter in the country and a cal alum to serve himself and completely destroys tedford's career in the process. All because he knows he can't hack it on his own and needed tosh to recruit.

He then goes back to the same university he stabbed in the back when he unethically poached tosh to save himself and proceeds to make excuses for 9 years straight about why he sucks big old donkey dick as a recruiter and even bigger donkey dick as a playcaller and a clock manager. And to make matters even worse he throws his own players under the bus. And even tries to piggy back on organic momentum built by fans and in doing so destroys it like everything else he touches. He also oversees Paige Cornelius scandal and the Isaac Torres stuff now too. Oh and also he lies to our then hapless ad to hustle another 20 million out of the university by telling him that another school (his dirt parking lot liberal arts crap college Alma mater) wanted him but he wanted to come back to us first (wow really the exact same bull**** tosh claimed)

And he chases off other alumni positional coaches.

To me he's a far worse human being than Tosh is / was / ever will be

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Just curious as to the basis of your assertion that Wilcox was responsible for Lupoi's move to UW. Wilcox was not the HC so, presumably, not the decider in that hire even jf he recommended it. Beyond that, it's hard for me to see how he's responsible for Lupoi's actions after the decision to move which, IMO, were the truly dishonorable aspect of the affair. I don't fault anyone for seeking a step up the career ladder or for recommending a former colleague to his current employer but Tosh's stealthy recruiting piracy seems akin to someone in the business world going out the door with a briefcase full of trade secrets. That's not to say his move to UW wasn't conditioned on who he could bring along or that Wilcox couldn't have been involved but that's an awful lot of speculation.

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Sark gave Wilcox full control over the defense at UW. Here is who he hired:
Peter Sirmon, Linebackers
Keith Heyward, Defensive Backs
Tosh Lupoi, Defensive Line

While he inherited and retained Heyward, Sirmon and Lupoi were Wilcox's guys (and Heyward obviously became one). Sirmon was his best friend and teammate from Oregon, they were practically attached at the hip. Wilcox was the LB coach at Cal from 2003-2005, and Tosh played DL all three years. Tosh made a point to stay in touch with Wilcox.

When Tosh accepted UW's offer to be the DL coach for Wilcox, do you honestly think Wilcox did not know? Maybe Tosh told Sark and Sark didn't bother to tell Wilcox? Is that the theory? Then, having hired a super recruiter, Wilcox was recruiting but he was not consulted on which defensive players for Tosh to recruit, that was just between Tosh and Sark? And when Wilcox followed up Tosh's home visit with Shaq Thompson in the days before LOI day, he had no idea Tosh had been there days earlier on a Cal visit after he had taken the UW job? What would Wilcox have thought, that Tosh had been there on an official UW visit? Because if that were the case then Wilcox's second visit for UW that week would have been an NCAA violation.

In order to hold Wilcox blameless you have to assume he was clueless. I guess if that makes you feel better about him.

And Wilcox tried to bring Tosh to USC even after his NCAA sanctions and tried to bring Tosh back to Cal, then was surprised that people here were upset at Tosh about what happened. It appeared at the time that Wilcox didnt think he and Tosh did anything wrong.

Ags just lost a tough game by two points, their QB had been hospitalized (tonsillitis), and six stud defensive players (most All Americans) out with injuries. (Including the Connors twins.)

Love this team. Yesterday was a tough day. Whenever we don’t achieve the results we want it is always on ME.

But I will continue to put the “Process” over the “Results”

I find joy in learning how to be better

I am thankful for all lessons…even when they’re hard and painful

— Timothy Plough (@VintagePlough) November 2, 2025