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Alkiadt said:

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Bearbassics said:

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Alkiadt said:

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Hawaii Haas said:

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Rolo is an awesome coach. I want him back at Hawaii (I like Chang too). Enjoy letting him get away for what you perceive as an upgrade. He brings fun to a program. He's a NorCal guy.

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I don't think we'll "let him get away". IMO especially if we hire a guy like Tosh whose background is on the defensive side of the ball, Rolo will almost certainly stick around as OC or QB coach or "senior offensive assistant". He's worth it for the relationship with JKS alone

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Unless he gets a better offer….

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You think he'd leave OC at cal to be an FCS HC? There's no other West Coast G6 jobs open, unless Lewis gets another gig and SDSU opens up…

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I hope not. But he may have the desire if a job is available.
Not sure how he aligns with Lupoi's offensive philosophy (that will be interesting…. The Ducks have had mobility at qb. JKS is not mobile).
Tosh and Rolo are already familiar with each other. Both obviously have recruited and are familiar with the Polynesian culture. I'm sure Lupoi has an idea of who he wants on staff, and that will be his decision. All of the current staff are lining up and scrambling for options. That's part of their career decision. I really like Rolovich, but time will tell if he's a fit for what Lupoi wants. Having a former Head Coach on staff in addition to Rivera as GM seems like something that would benefit Lupoi.

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Have much hope saffell sticks around?

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I'm with 75Bear on this.
New guys like to have their own guys. I'd say it's pretty rare to keep more than one coach (if that) from the previous staff. That's my recollection anyway.
It depends on how Lupoi (or whoever gets the job) feels about the guys on staff. They know each other well enough from being in the recruiting battles.

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Bearbassics said:

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Hawaii Haas said:

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Rolo is an awesome coach. I want him back at Hawaii (I like Chang too). Enjoy letting him get away for what you perceive as an upgrade. He brings fun to a program. He's a NorCal guy.

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I don't think we'll "let him get away". IMO especially if we hire a guy like Tosh whose background is on the defensive side of the ball, Rolo will almost certainly stick around as OC or QB coach or "senior offensive assistant". He's worth it for the relationship with JKS alone

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Whenever there is a head coaching change, the new head coach almost always completely cleans house. I'd be much more surprised if Rolo is here next season.

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Rolovich will have to be here if we want JKS to stick around

Hawaii Haas said:

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Rolo has shown he doesn't have to be the head guy, that he can be a team player.

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He has been incredibly humble in his interviews at Cal. He is a likable guy. Not brilliant, but likable.

Really, the question is whether the next coach wants Rolo's Run N Shoot. I was an undergrad 45 years ago when Roger Theder brought in Mouse Davis as his OC and Cal was a Run n Shoot team.

I much prefer offenses that incorporate the versatility of TEs in both the running and passing game. Hawaii had success with June Jones when the Run n Shoot was still innovative but I think it has been a mistake for Hawaii to try to recreate that success with an offense that requires them to import WRs from the mainland while ignoring Hawaii's great homegrown TE talent.

Strykur said:

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75bear said:

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Hawaii Haas said:

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Rolo is an awesome coach. I want him back at Hawaii (I like Chang too). Enjoy letting him get away for what you perceive as an upgrade. He brings fun to a program. He's a NorCal guy.

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I don't think we'll "let him get away". IMO especially if we hire a guy like Tosh whose background is on the defensive side of the ball, Rolo will almost certainly stick around as OC or QB coach or "senior offensive assistant". He's worth it for the relationship with JKS alone

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Whenever there is a head coaching change, the new head coach almost always completely cleans house. I'd be much more surprised if Rolo is here next season.

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Rolovich will have to be here if we want JKS to stick around

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Like I said, I won't be surprised by anything that transpires under a coaching change.

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Hawaii Haas said:

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Rolo has shown he doesn't have to be the head guy, that he can be a team player.

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He has been incredibly humble in his interviews at Cal. He is a likable guy. Not brilliant, but likable.

Really, the question is whether the next coach wants Rolo's Run N Shoot. I was an undergrad 45 years ago when Roger Theder brought in Mouse Davis as his OC and Cal was a Run n Shoot team.

I much prefer offenses that incorporate the versatility of TEs in both the running and passing game. Hawaii had success with June Jones when the Run n Shoot was still innovative but I think it has been a mistake for Hawaii to try to recreate that success with an offense that requires them to import WRs from the mainland while ignoring Hawaii's great homegrown TE talent.

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Hawaii's homegrown talent rarely has tightends (big guys who can run and catch). It's slotbacks. Rolo incorporated the pistol formation that he learned at Nevada into the RNS, which has a benefit of disguising which side the RB would run.

Power schools go heavy Hawaii/Polynesian when they are losing being conventional (Oregon State, Wazzu were recruiting bullies to Hawaii when they were in the old PAC). The rise of the Hawaii QB (who play in the RNS in high school) has become more nationwide.

G level schools go "Hawaii" to counter to NIL/mercenary culture, by being the anti-merc. Not to mention, the RNS racks up a lot of stats, which attracts overlooked guys at WR and QB. Look at San Jose State (however their fan base does not have history with this style and will want to shelve it the moment they have a losing season).

Ultimately, an offense that UNLV has does prove to be superior (more balanced), but only if you have the talent to be superior.

We have finally come to this moment when Cal needs to decide where to be the most successful as a team.

I think spending NIL on defense (like Texas Tech) while running a high scoring gimmick offense provides the highest success compared to peers.

That said, I would rather Hawaii only compete with San Jose State for RNS players. But if I'm being objective, Cal needs play where they can be strongest. Having nostalgia about the 2000's with NFL RBs and QBs is great all, but harder to replicate today.

Hawaii Haas said:

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calumnus said:

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Hawaii Haas said:

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Rolo has shown he doesn't have to be the head guy, that he can be a team player.

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He has been incredibly humble in his interviews at Cal. He is a likable guy. Not brilliant, but likable.

Really, the question is whether the next coach wants Rolo's Run N Shoot. I was an undergrad 45 years ago when Roger Theder brought in Mouse Davis as his OC and Cal was a Run n Shoot team.

I much prefer offenses that incorporate the versatility of TEs in both the running and passing game. Hawaii had success with June Jones when the Run n Shoot was still innovative but I think it has been a mistake for Hawaii to try to recreate that success with an offense that requires them to import WRs from the mainland while ignoring Hawaii's great homegrown TE talent.

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Hawaii's homegrown talent rarely has tightends (big guys who can run and catch). It's slotbacks. Rolo incorporated the pistol formation that he learned at Nevada into the RNS, which has a benefit of disguising which side the RB would run.

Power schools go heavy Hawaii/Polynesian when they are losing being conventional (Oregon State, Wazzu were recruiting bullies to Hawaii when they were in the old PAC). The rise of the Hawaii QB (who play in the RNS in high school) has become more nationwide.

G level schools go "Hawaii" to counter to NIL/mercenary culture, by being the anti-merc. Not to mention, the RNS racks up a lot of stats, which attracts overlooked guys at WR and QB. Look at San Jose State (however their fan base does not have history with this style and will want to shelve it the moment they have a losing season).

Ultimately, an offense that UNLV has does prove to be superior (more balanced), but only if you have the talent to be superior.

We have finally come to this moment when Cal needs to decide where to be the most successful as a team.

I think spending NIL on defense (like Texas Tech) while running a high scoring gimmick offense provides the highest success compared to peers.

That said, I would rather Hawaii only compete with San Jose State for RNS players. But if I'm being objective, Cal needs play where they can be strongest. Having nostalgia about the 2000's with NFL RBs and QBs is great all, but harder to replicate today.

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I disagree about Polynesian tight ends. You really believe there are no Polynesian "Big guys that can block, run and catch" in Hawaii or the Mainland? There have been plenty at BYU, Utah, Oregon State, even Stanford (6'8" 270 NFL TE Toilolo). It is just at UH or even Hawaii HSs with the run and shoot big, fast athletic guys are redirected to OL, DL or an occasional big RB. Any OL or DL that played basketball in high school is an ideal TE candidate, but only in offenses that use tight ends.

One of my favorite underused players in the Tedford era was TE Keala Keana'aina. He went on to be MVP of the Arena League with the San Jose Sabercats. Big, fast, quick, strong, could run, catch, block and tackle (they play both ways in that league).

calumnus said:

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Hawaii Haas said:

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calumnus said:

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Hawaii Haas said:

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Rolo has shown he doesn't have to be the head guy, that he can be a team player.

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He has been incredibly humble in his interviews at Cal. He is a likable guy. Not brilliant, but likable.

Really, the question is whether the next coach wants Rolo's Run N Shoot. I was an undergrad 45 years ago when Roger Theder brought in Mouse Davis as his OC and Cal was a Run n Shoot team.

I much prefer offenses that incorporate the versatility of TEs in both the running and passing game. Hawaii had success with June Jones when the Run n Shoot was still innovative but I think it has been a mistake for Hawaii to try to recreate that success with an offense that requires them to import WRs from the mainland while ignoring Hawaii's great homegrown TE talent.

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Hawaii's homegrown talent rarely has tightends (big guys who can run and catch). It's slotbacks. Rolo incorporated the pistol formation that he learned at Nevada into the RNS, which has a benefit of disguising which side the RB would run.

Power schools go heavy Hawaii/Polynesian when they are losing being conventional (Oregon State, Wazzu were recruiting bullies to Hawaii when they were in the old PAC). The rise of the Hawaii QB (who play in the RNS in high school) has become more nationwide.

G level schools go "Hawaii" to counter to NIL/mercenary culture, by being the anti-merc. Not to mention, the RNS racks up a lot of stats, which attracts overlooked guys at WR and QB. Look at San Jose State (however their fan base does not have history with this style and will want to shelve it the moment they have a losing season).

Ultimately, an offense that UNLV has does prove to be superior (more balanced), but only if you have the talent to be superior.

We have finally come to this moment when Cal needs to decide where to be the most successful as a team.

I think spending NIL on defense (like Texas Tech) while running a high scoring gimmick offense provides the highest success compared to peers.

That said, I would rather Hawaii only compete with San Jose State for RNS players. But if I'm being objective, Cal needs play where they can be strongest. Having nostalgia about the 2000's with NFL RBs and QBs is great all, but harder to replicate today.

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I disagree about Polynesian tight ends. You really believe there are no Polynesian "Big guys that can block, run and catch" in Hawaii or the Mainland? There have been plenty at BYU, Utah, Oregon Stare, even Stanford. It is just at UH or even Hawaii HSs with the run and shoot big, fast athletic guys are redirected to OL, DL or an occasional big RB. Any OL or DL that played basketball in high school is an ideal TE candidate, but only in offenses that use tight ends.

One of my favorite underused players in the Tedford era was TE Keala Keana'aina. He went on to be MVP of the Arena League with the San Jose Sabercats. Big, fast, quick, strong, could run, catch, block and tackle (they play both ways in that league).

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TE's are rare in Hawaii, mainly due to the offenses and inconsistency of finding such specimens. I think your example, originally born in HI, went to school at Serra in the Bay Area. Those TE body types are put on the DLine or they play for Kahuku (Utah/BYU heavy recruiting) where they mainly maul people in blocking.

Hawaii Haas said:

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calumnus said:

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Hawaii Haas said:

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calumnus said:

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Hawaii Haas said:

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Rolo has shown he doesn't have to be the head guy, that he can be a team player.

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He has been incredibly humble in his interviews at Cal. He is a likable guy. Not brilliant, but likable.

Really, the question is whether the next coach wants Rolo's Run N Shoot. I was an undergrad 45 years ago when Roger Theder brought in Mouse Davis as his OC and Cal was a Run n Shoot team.

I much prefer offenses that incorporate the versatility of TEs in both the running and passing game. Hawaii had success with June Jones when the Run n Shoot was still innovative but I think it has been a mistake for Hawaii to try to recreate that success with an offense that requires them to import WRs from the mainland while ignoring Hawaii's great homegrown TE talent.

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Hawaii's homegrown talent rarely has tightends (big guys who can run and catch). It's slotbacks. Rolo incorporated the pistol formation that he learned at Nevada into the RNS, which has a benefit of disguising which side the RB would run.

Power schools go heavy Hawaii/Polynesian when they are losing being conventional (Oregon State, Wazzu were recruiting bullies to Hawaii when they were in the old PAC). The rise of the Hawaii QB (who play in the RNS in high school) has become more nationwide.

G level schools go "Hawaii" to counter to NIL/mercenary culture, by being the anti-merc. Not to mention, the RNS racks up a lot of stats, which attracts overlooked guys at WR and QB. Look at San Jose State (however their fan base does not have history with this style and will want to shelve it the moment they have a losing season).

Ultimately, an offense that UNLV has does prove to be superior (more balanced), but only if you have the talent to be superior.

We have finally come to this moment when Cal needs to decide where to be the most successful as a team.

I think spending NIL on defense (like Texas Tech) while running a high scoring gimmick offense provides the highest success compared to peers.

That said, I would rather Hawaii only compete with San Jose State for RNS players. But if I'm being objective, Cal needs play where they can be strongest. Having nostalgia about the 2000's with NFL RBs and QBs is great all, but harder to replicate today.

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I disagree about Polynesian tight ends. You really believe there are no Polynesian "Big guys that can block, run and catch" in Hawaii or the Mainland? There have been plenty at BYU, Utah, Oregon Stare, even Stanford. It is just at UH or even Hawaii HSs with the run and shoot big, fast athletic guys are redirected to OL, DL or an occasional big RB. Any OL or DL that played basketball in high school is an ideal TE candidate, but only in offenses that use tight ends.

One of my favorite underused players in the Tedford era was TE Keala Keana'aina. He went on to be MVP of the Arena League with the San Jose Sabercats. Big, fast, quick, strong, could run, catch, block and tackle (they play both ways in that league).

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TE's are rare in Hawaii, mainly due to the offenses and inconsistency of finding such specimens. I think your example, originally born in HI, went to school at Serra in the Bay Area. Those TE body types are put on the DLine or they play for Kahuku (Utah/BYU heavy recruiting) where they mainly maul people in blocking.

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Yes, that is my point. The Run N Shoot was successful at UH under June Jones because it was innovative at that time, not because it is a good fit for Hawaii's comparative advantage with the many Polynesian athletes whose body type is well suited to playing TE.

However, that success spread the Run n Shoot to Hawaii High Schools (coaches who played at UH) and guys that might be good tight ends are directed to DL or are undersized OL trying to bulk up. I just think Hawaii has clung to the Run n Shoot too long out of nostalgia for the June Jones era and needs to adopt an offense that fully utilizes its comparative advantage: big, athletic Polynesian athletes. Go big instead of small, fast and quick, Think Harbaugh (David Shaw and Greg Roman's) with 3 TE sets at Stanford.

Innovative offenses are great, but the Run n Shoot is no longer innovative. As far as pass-first offenses, the Air Raid won that competition long ago, though I would be interested to hear from Killa his thoughts. I do think he liked some of what Rolovich was doing with his version. Not opposed necessarily at Cal, especially if it means we keep Sagapolutele, as long as we have a WR coach that can bring in great, tall, fast WRs that can catch,

Alkiadt said:

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ecb said:

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Alkiadt said:

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Bearbassics said:

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Alkiadt said:

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Bearbassics said:

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Hawaii Haas said:

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Rolo is an awesome coach. I want him back at Hawaii (I like Chang too). Enjoy letting him get away for what you perceive as an upgrade. He brings fun to a program. He's a NorCal guy.

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I don't think we'll "let him get away". IMO especially if we hire a guy like Tosh whose background is on the defensive side of the ball, Rolo will almost certainly stick around as OC or QB coach or "senior offensive assistant". He's worth it for the relationship with JKS alone

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Unless he gets a better offer….

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You think he'd leave OC at cal to be an FCS HC? There's no other West Coast G6 jobs open, unless Lewis gets another gig and SDSU opens up…

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I hope not. But he may have the desire if a job is available.
Not sure how he aligns with Lupoi's offensive philosophy (that will be interesting…. The Ducks have had mobility at qb. JKS is not mobile).
Tosh and Rolo are already familiar with each other. Both obviously have recruited and are familiar with the Polynesian culture. I'm sure Lupoi has an idea of who he wants on staff, and that will be his decision. All of the current staff are lining up and scrambling for options. That's part of their career decision. I really like Rolovich, but time will tell if he's a fit for what Lupoi wants. Having a former Head Coach on staff in addition to Rivera as GM seems like something that would benefit Lupoi.

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Have much hope saffell sticks around?

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I'm with 75Bear on this.
New guys like to have their own guys. I'd say it's pretty rare to keep more than one coach (if that) from the previous staff. That's my recollection anyway.
It depends on how Lupoi (or whoever gets the job) feels about the guys on staff. They know each other well enough from being in the recruiting battles.

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Exactly. When a program changes HCs, you have to start with the assumption that the entire staff will be new as well. Maybe the new HC retains 1-2 (or more) from the previous staff, but prepare for wholesale change,

Strykur said:

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75bear said:

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Bearbassics said:

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Hawaii Haas said:

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Rolo is an awesome coach. I want him back at Hawaii (I like Chang too). Enjoy letting him get away for what you perceive as an upgrade. He brings fun to a program. He's a NorCal guy.

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I don't think we'll "let him get away". IMO especially if we hire a guy like Tosh whose background is on the defensive side of the ball, Rolo will almost certainly stick around as OC or QB coach or "senior offensive assistant". He's worth it for the relationship with JKS alone

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Whenever there is a head coaching change, the new head coach almost always completely cleans house. I'd be much more surprised if Rolo is here next season.

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Rolovich will have to be here if we want JKS to stick around

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You don't know that that's the case. Maybe it is; maybe it isn't. I suspect JKS is in wait-and-see mode.

Big C said:

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Strykur said:

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75bear said:

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Bearbassics said:

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Hawaii Haas said:

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Rolo is an awesome coach. I want him back at Hawaii (I like Chang too). Enjoy letting him get away for what you perceive as an upgrade. He brings fun to a program. He's a NorCal guy.

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I don't think we'll "let him get away". IMO especially if we hire a guy like Tosh whose background is on the defensive side of the ball, Rolo will almost certainly stick around as OC or QB coach or "senior offensive assistant". He's worth it for the relationship with JKS alone

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Whenever there is a head coaching change, the new head coach almost always completely cleans house. I'd be much more surprised if Rolo is here next season.

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Rolovich will have to be here if we want JKS to stick around

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You don't know that that's the case. Maybe it is; maybe it isn't. I suspect JKS is in wait-and-see mode.

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Rivera said he will be looking for input from the players, especially Sagapolutele.