Something tells me CU fans are starting to feel Holmoe levels of dispair about their program. Maybe even more if they were fans during the National Championship year (like my poor buddy who was an undergraduate at the time).

Holmoe:
1997 California 3-8 1-7 9th
1998 California 5-6 3-5 7th
1999 California 0-11* 0-8* T-6th
2000 California 3-8 2-6 T-8th
2001 California 1-10 0-8 10th

Hawkins:
2006 Colorado 2-10 2-6 5th (North)
2007 Colorado 6-7 4-4 3th (North)
2008 Colorado 5-7 2-6 4th (North)
2009 Colorado 3-9 2-6 5th (North)

Their record the last four years isn't as bad as Holmoe's, but Holmoe merely completed the job that Gilby began. Perhaps Gilby and Hawkins are a better comparison, since they both came in and presided over the deterioration of a decent program (I'm ignorant of the details of Hawkins' hire after Barnett; for all I know Barnett left the program in a shambles).

Anyway, their record isn't as bad as the Holmoe years, but they had further to fall than Cal did. Snyder had a short period of success at Cal before moving on, but the McCartney/Neuheisel/Barnett years were pretty good to Colorado. The record indicates that between 1985 and 2005 they had 17 winning seasons, and in six of those seasons they won ten or more games. There's also the matter of their national championship and Salaam's Heisman.

Given his success at Boise State, I thought Hawkins would have done better at Colorado. Maybe the key to his success at Boise was having Petersen on his staff as OC.

Damn that was funny...Holmoecaust.... :newnana:

LafayetteBear;371935 said:

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Bearacus: Something's wrong with that 1999 Cal record. I don't think Cal has ever gone winless since I enrolled, and that goes back to 1977. What do your asterisks for 1999 mean? Did we lose a game or two via forfeit?

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Google: Ronnie Davenport, Michael Ainsworth and Professor Alex Saragoza.

Short reminder: Saragoza gave the WR's credit for classes they did not attend, hence the 2002 bowl ban.

And guess what, Saragoza still works for UC and collects 110k per year. Embarrassing.

ColoradoBear1;371939 said:

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Google: Ronnie Davenport, Michael Ainsworth and Professor Alex Saragoza.

Short reminder: Saragoza gave the WR's credit for classes they did not attend, hence the 2002 bowl ban.

And guess what, Saragoza still works for UC and collects 110k per year. Embarrassing.

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Saragoza is at the top of my sh!t list of Cal sports villains. Up there (or down there) with Todd Bozeman and Bob Backrath. What drove me nuts about this case was Saragoza's half-baked ideological motivations for participating in the cheating. From a 2001 SF Chron article:

[INDENT][FONT="Book Antiqua"]Saragoza wrote in a Nov. 17 letter to Berdahl that he has made accommodations in the past for students from disadvantaged backgrounds to help keep them in school. For the past year, he has headed the UC system's educational outreach program, intended to prepare underrepresented minorities for admission to UC. .......

"My concern for them -- as it is for all of my students -- was for their welfare on campus and to keep them in school," Saragoza said.

But the investigative report concludes that both Saragoza and the football players knew the retroactive arrangements would improperly circumvent NCAA eligibility rules. "[/FONT][/INDENT]

http://articles.sfgate.com/2001-03-10/news/17587808_1_uc-berkeley-alex-saragoza-president-for-educational-outreach

Jack-@ss....

drunkoski;372018 said:

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a year earlier than this saragoza let my budd0y who was an average joe get a passing grade despite the fact he missed 50% of all classes and gave him some sob story. i think he's just a nice guy or maybe has just a soft touch. that and his class was probably the easiest i've ever taken.

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Exactly, I've heard much the same. Mick class. And he didn't keep past records. The odds are very high Ainsworth and Davenport received no extra benefits that any other student could have received (and they continue to insist they did not). However, Cal could not prove that they took the class, so Cal chose to "fall on its sword" hoping the NCAA would go easy on us. They did not.

doggies up in seattle have been going through tougher time IMO.


their arrogant d-bag fans deserve it though.

LafayetteBear;372042 said:

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[COLOR="Blue"]Calumnus: Haven't heard anyone use the term "mick class" lately, probably because I'm long past my days as a student. But I also use that term to describe a very easy class, and recall that it was widely used by Cal students and grads. I have never heard it used elsewhere, however. Curious.[/COLOR]

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So let me take a stab. That expression probably evolved from the UK expression "taking the pis*."

http://www.phrases.org.uk/meanings/344000.html

It's a toss-up, but at least holmoe was a nice guy and represented the university well. Hawkins, on the other hand, just strikes me as an odd guy. Isn't hawkins also some sort of zen master?

Here's Marv Levy's Cal record:

1960 2-7-1
1961 1-8-1
1962 1-9-0
1963 4-5-1

Those were my 4 years at Cal. The only thing worst would be those that were at Cal from 1959 to 1962.

Pete Elliott's 1959 record 2-8.

RichyBear;372142 said:

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Here's Marv Levy's Cal record:

1960 2-7-1
1961 1-8-1
1962 1-9-0
1963 4-5-1

Those were my 4 years at Cal. The only thing worst would be those that were at Cal from 1959 to 1962.

Pete Elliott's 1959 record 2-8.

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I wasn't there but wasn't that record more a result of administration principles than Marv Levy? Here is a link to his side of the story.

(Somebody posted this long ago for a story about special teams and the Cal band.)

ninetyfourbear;372152 said:

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I wasn't there but wasn't that record more a result of administration principles than Marv Levy? Here is a link to his side of the story.

(Somebody posted this long ago for a story about special teams and the Cal band.)

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Wow what a fantastic read. Thanks for reposting that ninetyfourbear.

drunkoski;372169 said:

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then it can't be as bad as holmoe. i had no illusions we'd be 6-6 in year 4.

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DO, you are so right here.

6-6 in year 4 would have been a miracle!

I believe "Mick" refers to "Mickey Mouse" classes, as in easy. An easy way to spot one in my time (early '70's) was to look for rows of sorority girls with sunglasses perched on their heads, and/or obvious athletes.

LafayetteBear;372042 said:

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[COLOR="Blue"]Calumnus: Haven't heard anyone use the term "mick class" lately, probably because I'm long past my days as a student. But I also use that term to describe a very easy class, and recall that it was widely used by Cal students and grads. I have never heard it used elsewhere, however. Curious.[/COLOR]

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Likewise...*boy* does that term bring back memories... :p

Of course Holmoecaust is better... it's over.

If no buyout occurs prepare for yet another chapter in the Cal Failball saga.

RichyBear;372142 said:

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Here's Marv Levy's Cal record:

1960 2-7-1
1961 1-8-1
1962 1-9-0
1963 4-5-1

Those were my 4 years at Cal. The only thing worst would be those that were at Cal from 1959 to 1962.

Pete Elliott's 1959 record 2-8.

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Levy showed improvement, winning as many games his last year as the previous 3 combined. He felt (as described in his autobiography) that the team was about to turn the corner. (He recruited Craig Morton one of the best QBs in Cal history and discovered Bill Walsh.) Ultimately, he was vindicated by a successful NFL HOF career. (Anyone believe that Holmoe, Hawkins, or Tedford have a chance to make either the NCAA or NFL HOF?)

Elliott at least had one good year (the Joe Kapp led Rose Bowl team) and went on to take Illinois to the Rose Bowl, perhaps making him the only coach to get to the Rose Bowl with teams from both traditional conferences.

Holmoe wasn't ready to be defensive coordinator, let alone HC.

RichyBear;372142 said:

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Here's Marv Levy's Cal record:

1960 2-7-1
1961 1-8-1
1962 1-9-0
1963 4-5-1

Those were my 4 years at Cal. The only thing worst would be those that were at Cal from 1959 to 1962.

Pete Elliott's 1959 record 2-8.

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Levy had an interesting football career after leaving Cal.

If we only win one (or none) of our conference games, we will have a team on par with that best of Mick "science" classes, Physics 10, which was "Physics WITHOUT Math."