Dear Tosh,<br /><br />Yours is not an uncommon story throughout the decades for Cal Football.<br />In the seventies, following a Pac 8 co-championship, OC Paul Hacket was stolen away by $c in the exact same way, money & greater chance of <i>whatever</i>. Hacket was possibly the hottest young coach in the US, grew up in Berkeley. He went on to coach Joe Montana & others in the NFL; HC positions at $c and the NFL. Finally it caught up & I believe he choked on it all. Others stories: Hue Jackson left Cal for So Cal; Steve Mariucci and others. <br /><br />Tosh, watch your back with your co-workers at WA. You're 30 and they're older and wont look at you as <i>one of them</i>.

<blockquote><div class="name-said">BEAR2dBONE;680703 said:</div><hr>Dear Tosh,<br /><br />Yours is not an uncommon story throughout the decades for Cal Football.<br />In the seventies, following a Pac 8 co-championship, OC Paul Hacket was stolen away by $c in the exact same way, money & greater chance of <i>whatever</i>. Hacket was possibly the hottest young coach in the US, grew up in Berkeley. He went on to coach Joe Montana & others in the NFL; HC positions at $c and the NFL. Finally it caught up & I believe he choked on it all. Others stories: Hue Jackson left Cal for So Cal; Steve Mariucci and others. <br /><br />Tosh, watch your back with your co-workers at WA. You're 30 and they're older and wont look at you as <i>one of them</i>.<hr></blockquote><br /><br />Cal Hall of Shame. He has made the top 10 at an early age.

Congratulations Tosh--you are a complete a$$hole; good riddance. Hope you get stabbed in the back many times by your new associates at UW.

<blockquote><div class="name-said">Golden One;680725 said:</div><hr>Congratulations Tosh--you are a complete a$$hole; good riddance. Hope you get stabbed in the back many times by your new associates at UW.<hr></blockquote><br /><br />Dude, dont call him an asshole. Have some class and congratulate the guy. What would you do if somebody offers you 3x your current salary and a higher title?? 3x=300% of current salary. And this offers is one step closer to every coach ultimate dream job..head coach. If you like the Tosh now so much, imagine a more aged, experienced (not just under Tedford!), and personable DC Tosh or HC Tosh back at Cal.<br /><br />I am 1 year younger than Tosh and I think this is a good move. People my age are ambitious and will do what it takes to climb the ladder. We will slow down and be more conservative when we past mid-30s, but for now we will pursue our max capacity and sometimes over our head. <br /><br />Man up, and congratulate the guy for his success. I find it rewarding that our people is above and beyond others...how many 30 years-old coaches make more than 500K a year? Only Cal's product!<br /><br />I congratulate Tosh even though I think it would have been nice if he didn't leave to a competitor 2 weeks before LOI, but this is the only way to demand that kind of money; necessity = compensation. I hope that he will learn new things and grow at Washington, and quickly come back to be our DC or HC.

<blockquote><div class="name-said">zachahuy;680784 said:</div><hr>Dude, dont call him an asshole. Have some class and congratulate the guy. What would you do if somebody offers you 3x your current salary and a higher title?? 3x=300% of current salary. And this offers is one step closer to every coach ultimate dream job..head coach. If you like the Tosh now so much, imagine a more aged, experienced (not just under Tedford!), and personable DC Tosh or HC Tosh back at Cal.<br /><br />I am 1 year younger than Tosh and I think this is a good move. People my age are ambitious and will do what it takes to climb the ladder. We will slow down and be more conservative when we past mid-30s, but for now we will pursue our max capacity and sometimes over our head. <br /><br />Man up, and congratulate the guy for his success. I find it rewarding that our people is above and beyond others...how many 30 years-old coaches make more than 500K a year? Only Cal's product!<br /><br />I congratulate Tosh even though I think it would have been nice if he didn't leave to a competitor 2 weeks before LOI, but this is the only way to demand that kind of money; necessity = compensation. I hope that he will learn new things and grow at Washington, and quickly come back to be our DC or HC.<hr></blockquote><br /><br /><br /><img src="<img src="<img src="<img src="<img src="" />" />" />" />" />

and we will miss his recruiting abilities more than his coaching skills..Let him go...just look around at the other schools losing good assistants..UW won't be his last post just like all the other Cal assistants who have left have bounced around..We will survive this.

Zachahuy says we should show some class and congratulate Tosh Lupoi. Congratulate him for what? Per Shaq to ESPN, Lupoi sat in his living room last week and on a "Cal" recruiting visit and told Shaq he was thinking of going to Wahington and would Shaq be intersted in joining him. Should we congratulate him for that? I think not! Should we congratulate him because he has scheduled an in home recruiting visit with Shaq on behalf of UW this week? Are you kidding me? I think besides a big fat lack of loyalty to his alma mater and the fact that he sold his soul for a boat and a car you have to ask what kind of credibility this guy has and does he ever deserve any respect. At 30, Zachahuy, greed is still greed and that boat will soon lose its luster if they don't produce a Rose Bowl or BCS championship soon, they will all be broomed out of there and Tosh Lupoi will be left with the same empty feeling he left some of these 18 year great young Cal recruits.<br /><br />Stay the course Cal gang. Cal is great school with great football players, great coaches, great facilities and great fans. See you on the field and GO Bears!

I thought that is pretty normal. Have you ever have a high manager position offer? One of the few things you do after you accept the offer is to talk your best staff person to come with you.<br /><br />Also, timing of this is what got Tosh such high pay.

<blockquote><div class="name-said">zachahuy;681004 said:</div><hr>I thought that is pretty normal. Have you ever have a high manager position offer? One of the few things you do after you accept the offer is to talk your best staff person to come with you.<br /><br />Also, <b>timing of this is what got Tosh such high pay</b>.<hr></blockquote>exactly -- and if a key executive at your company jumped to a competitor and took half her staff with her one week before the biggest trade show of the year, a move orchestrated by the competitor primarily because she was giving the keynote address at the show, wouldn't you be jumping-out-of-your-shoes pissed off?

<blockquote><div class="name-said">zachahuy;681004 said:</div><hr>I thought that is pretty normal. Have you ever have a high manager position offer? One of the few things you do after you accept the offer is to talk your best staff person to come with you.<br /><br />Also, timing of this is what got Tosh such high pay.<hr></blockquote><br /><br />Wrong. Get a clue. This is much more analogous to trying to steal customers while still employed. In most cases, perhaps all, that would subject the perp to civil liability. And it's a douche move to boot. Apologist much?

<blockquote><div class="name-said">zachahuy;680784 said:</div><hr>Dude, dont call him an asshole. Have some class and congratulate the guy. What would you do if somebody offers you 3x your current salary and a higher title?? 3x=300% of current salary. And this offers is one step closer to every coach ultimate dream job..head coach. If you like the Tosh now so much, imagine a more aged, experienced (not just under Tedford!), and personable DC Tosh or HC Tosh back at Cal.<br /><br />I am 1 year younger than Tosh and I think this is a good move. People my age are ambitious and will do what it takes to climb the ladder. We will slow down and be more conservative when we past mid-30s, but for now we will pursue our max capacity and sometimes over our head. <br /><br />Man up, and congratulate the guy for his success. I find it rewarding that our people is above and beyond others...how many 30 years-old coaches make more than 500K a year? Only Cal's product!<br /><br />I congratulate Tosh even though I think it would have been nice if he didn't leave to a competitor 2 weeks before LOI, but this is the only way to demand that kind of money; necessity = compensation. I hope that he will learn new things and grow at Washington, and quickly come back to be our DC or HC.<hr></blockquote><br /><br />I will not call him an a-hole. But I will not congratulate him either.<br />What Tosh did is no different than a lot of other people.<br />But he did not act honorably to his recruits.<br />When you get to my age (Class of 1968) and close to retirement honor gets to mean a lot more than money.<br />And when you get to my age you get to learn that in most cases: "what goes around, comes around."<br />With Sark being involved, it may come around sooner than you expect.

<blockquote><div class="name-said">greatbear45;680970 said:</div><hr>Zachahuy says we should show some class and congratulate Tosh Lupoi. Congratulate him for what? Per Shaq to ESPN, Lupoi sat in his living room last week and on a "Cal" recruiting visit and told Shaq he was thinking of going to Wahington and would Shaq be intersted in joining him. Should we congratulate him for that? I think not! Should we congratulate him because he has scheduled an in home recruiting visit with Shaq on behalf of UW this week? Are you kidding me? I think besides a big fat lack of loyalty to his alma mater and the fact that he sold his soul for a boat and a car you have to ask what kind of credibility this guy has and does he ever deserve any respect. At 30, Zachahuy, greed is still greed and that boat will soon lose its luster if they don't produce a Rose Bowl or BCS championship soon, they will all be broomed out of there and Tosh Lupoi will be left with the same empty feeling he left some of these 18 year great young Cal recruits.<br /><br />Stay the course Cal gang. Cal is great school with great football players, great coaches, great facilities and great fans. See you on the field and GO Bears!<hr></blockquote><br /><br />If Tosh was pitching UW why did that not count as an official visit by UW.

<blockquote><div class="name-said">68great;681651 said:</div><hr>If Tosh was pitching UW why did that not count as an official visit by UW.<hr></blockquote><br /><br />Because he was still official employed by Cal.

<blockquote><div class="name-said">68great;681635 said:</div><hr>I will not call him an a-hole. But I will not congratulate him either.<br />What Tosh did is no different than a lot of other people.<br />But he did not act honorably to his recruits.<br />When you get to my age (Class of 1968) and close to retirement honor gets to mean a lot more than money.<br />And when you get to my age you get to learn that in most cases: "what goes around, comes around."<br />With Sark being involved, it may come around sooner than you expect.<hr></blockquote><br /><br />The thing about the money is most of us, who truly bleed Blue and Gold, would like to make the kind of money he is going to make IN ORDER to make a major gift TO our alma mater to help the football program. He is 29 and could have been making $300,000 a year working for Cal football--with a great future, most of us would kill for that, most of the many other DLs who have played for Cal and were not good enough for the NFL would kill for that.

<blockquote><div class="name-said">zachahuy;680784 said:</div><hr>I am 1 year younger than Tosh and I think this is a good move. People my age are ambitious and will do what it takes to climb the ladder. We will slow down and be more conservative when we past mid-30s, but for now we will pursue our max capacity and sometimes over our head.<hr></blockquote><br /><br />Tosh and I are the same age, but I wouldn't have done what he did. I would consider myself an ambitious person but money isn't my only ambition. It can never buy back the loyalty and trust of a community.

There is a right way and a slimy way of doing things.<br /><br />The right way for Tosh to move on would be to take the Washington job <i>AFTER</i> LOI and not betray the hard work that the entire recruiting <b><i>TEAM</i></b> put into getting a player to commit to Cal.<br /><br />Lupoi should know that by securing an <i>amazing</i> class for Cal the offers would come pouring in. Very likely <i>MUCH</i> better offers than UW.<br /><br />And if UW wanted his services that badly, then they would [U]respect[/U] his desire to do things the RIGHT way....after LOI. After all, if UW thinks that he's <i>that</i> good of a recruiter, then logic would imply that next year he'd be able to pull in an equivalent huge class for UW and merit the salary they're paying him.<br /><br />If UW manipulated an exploding 2 weeks before LOI offer, then Tosh should know he's being unfairly used as an mercenary against the friendships and good will he's forged over the years at Cal. At this point, he won't be able ever to show his face in Berkeley. He basically scorched earth his good will at Berkeley.<br /><br />If Lupoi sees people's anger and still has no serious guilt over the way he engineered his departure, then the guy seriously lacks an honorable moral compass and it will ultimately come to bite him in the ass at some point in his career. The coaching world is small after all. To his detriment, people <i>now</i> know what he's all about and will be treated accordingly. It is what it is.

I feel for your generation if they are all like you. You will end up an empty, sad, old man if money is your true idol in life.....particularly at the expense of your integrity. <br />Tosh "Benedict Arnold" Lupoi lied repeatedly to our recruits before bolting to Washington in as sneaky and classless way as possible.....and began to immediately poach our recruits. I have no problem with the original list on this thread.....none of them lied to us before departing. I have no problem with someone earning a good wage, but before you excuse him, just remember how he left. I sincerely wonder how Lupoi will sell Washington to recruits. He certainly won't use honesty, integrity, and honor---<br />he has none.

<blockquote><div class="name-said">zachahuy;680784 said:</div><hr>Dude, dont call him an asshole. Have some class and congratulate the guy. What would you do if somebody offers you 3x your current salary and a higher title?? 3x=300% of current salary. And this offers is one step closer to every coach ultimate dream job..head coach. If you like the Tosh now so much, imagine a more aged, experienced (not just under Tedford!), and personable DC Tosh or HC Tosh back at Cal.<br /><br />I am 1 year younger than Tosh and I think this is a good move. People my age are ambitious and will do what it takes to climb the ladder. We will slow down and be more conservative when we past mid-30s, but for now we will pursue our max capacity and sometimes over our head. <br /><br />Man up, and congratulate the guy for his success. I find it rewarding that our people is above and beyond others...how many 30 years-old coaches make more than 500K a year? Only Cal's product!<br /><br />I congratulate Tosh even though I think it would have been nice if he didn't leave to a competitor 2 weeks before LOI, but this is the only way to demand that kind of money; necessity = compensation. I hope that he will learn new things and grow at Washington, and quickly come back to be our DC or HC.<hr></blockquote><br /><br />A 30 year-old willing to take shortcuts + plus 10 years = a 40 year-old willing to take short cuts.<br /><br />Max capacity? Necessity = compensation?<br /><br />Tosh isn't our people anymore. He didn't get a promotion, he got the same job with a made up title and an upgrade to his bank account. No one will ever believe that he is motivated by anything other than $$.

<blockquote><div class="name-said">jabes;682783 said:</div><hr>A 30 year-old willing to take shortcuts + plus 10 years = a 40 year-old willing to take short cuts.<br /><br />Max capacity? Necessity = compensation?<br /><br />Tosh isn't our people anymore. He didn't get a promotion, he got the same job with a made up title and an upgrade to his bank account. No one will ever believe that he is motivated by anything other than $$.<hr></blockquote><br /><br />Well in fairness, he did also get a boat...<br /><br />He's proven himself to be a cowardly ethically challenged scumbag. He's the one that has to look himself in the mirror (and hear about it when he goes home to Concord).<br /><br />Now is the time to get some mic-men who can make the most of this on Nov. 2nd.

<blockquote><div class="name-said">maxer;682795 said:</div><hr>Well in fairness, he did also get a boat...<br /><br />He's proven himself to be a cowardly ethically challenged scumbag. He's the one that has to look himself in the mirror (and hear about it when he goes home to Concord).<br /><br />Now is the time to get some mic-men who can make the most of this on Nov. 2nd.<hr></blockquote><br /><br />I'm in the Cal Band and I will make sure the mic men give me a few seconds on the mic

<blockquote><div class="name-said">Bear_Territory;682797 said:</div><hr>I'm in the Cal Band and I will make sure the mic men give me a few seconds on the mic<hr></blockquote><br /><br />That's the kind of hustle I'm talking about! <br /><br />Nice work.

<blockquote><div class="name-said">zachahuy;680784 said:</div><hr>Dude, dont call him an asshole. Have some class and congratulate the guy. What would you do if somebody offers you 3x your current salary and a higher title?? 3x=300% of current salary. And this offers is one step closer to every coach ultimate dream job..head coach. If you like the Tosh now so much, imagine a more aged, experienced (not just under Tedford!), and personable DC Tosh or HC Tosh back at Cal.<br /><br />I am 1 year younger than Tosh and I think this is a good move. People my age are ambitious and will do what it takes to climb the ladder. We will slow down and be more conservative when we past mid-30s, but for now we will pursue our max capacity and sometimes over our head. <br /><br />Man up, and congratulate the guy for his success. I find it rewarding that our people is above and beyond others...how many 30 years-old coaches make more than 500K a year? Only Cal's product!<br /><br />I congratulate Tosh even though I think it would have been nice if he didn't leave to a competitor 2 weeks before LOI, but this is the only way to demand that kind of money; necessity = compensation. I hope that he will learn new things and grow at Washington, and quickly come back to be our DC or HC.<hr></blockquote><br /><br />Congratulations to Tosh for his playing and coaching excellence he deserves the best. For his less than mature double dealing exit, however, he deserves a mask of shame. Best to him in the future, he'll put lipstick on that Dawg...and just don't eat that yellow snow.

<blockquote><div class="name-said">zachahuy;680784 said:</div><hr><br /><br />how many 30 years-old coaches make more than 500K a year? Only Cal's product!<br /><br /><hr></blockquote><br /><br />As I mentioned before,<br />Few 30yo Boalt Grads or UCSF grads will make $500k. Most will never make that. How could a football coach turn it down?

I don't blame tosh for leaving. I don't hold it against him. I DO blame him in HOW he left and his actions afterwards. UNETHICAL.<br /><br /><br /><blockquote><div class="name-said">BEAR2dBONE;680703 said:</div><hr>Dear Tosh,<br /><br />Yours is not an uncommon story throughout the decades for Cal Football.<br />In the seventies, following a Pac 8 co-championship, OC Paul Hacket was stolen away by $c in the exact same way, money & greater chance of <i>whatever</i>. Hacket was possibly the hottest young coach in the US, grew up in Berkeley. He went on to coach Joe Montana & others in the NFL; HC positions at $c and the NFL. Finally it caught up & I believe he choked on it all. Others stories: Hue Jackson left Cal for So Cal; Steve Mariucci and others. <br /><br />Tosh, watch your back with your co-workers at WA. You're 30 and they're older and wont look at you as <i>one of them</i>.<hr></blockquote>