I'm in Chicago and my brother is in DC, and it looks like Pac-12 Network is not available at all in either region. I've been reading around a bunch, and it seems that Comcast also isn't carrying it it Indiana, Atlanta, Minnesota, and the Northeast. A lot of people are really ticked because they stuck with or switched to Comcast because they were told all along that if you had Comcast, you were good.

Anyone have luck getting it outside the Pac-12 footprint?

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N0rCalBear;841925387 said:

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Anyone have luck getting it outside the Pac-12 footprint?

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I'm having trouble getting it within "the fooprint." We live 70 miles south of Berkeley in Morgan Hill, we have a huge Comcast building here in town and can't even get Comcast much less the Pac12 Network. GGRRRRRRRR!

I'm in the same boat, but my provider is COX Northern Virginia just outside DC. I don't have another choice for provider, except maybe DirecTV if they ever decide to carry it. I'm not aware of any provider in the DC area that is carrying the network. Sucks to be here and having to read about it from everybody else back west. The PAC 12 network is quickly becoming a useless development for me and possibly could have a negative overall viewing impact.

I totally agree, our home bar in Chicago got every game last year except 1. Right now we are on track to miss 3 of the first 4. Terrible.

Unfortunately, it looks like most of us outside the PAC-12 region are stuck hoping DirecTV and the conference come to an agreement. Otherwise, we'll be SOL. Sad that they add the network and we go from being able to watch all the games down to maybe 3 or 4.

My assumption was that the Pac12 network would, in part, showcase the conference to other areas of the country, to show what we have going on in Pac12 country. Sadly, no recruits, no fans, no sports writers will currently see many games outside of the Pac12 footprint. I'm pissed because I am one of those fans who happens to live east of the Mississippi, however, all other fans should be complaining as well, since the network isn't going to achieve what many thought was an important objective - to showcase the conference outside of a few national televised games.

WE JUST BECAME MORE INSULAR!!!

I am sharing this frustration. The PAC 12 had more exposure last year on the East Coast. They better get this remedied soon.

Also, DT isn't the magic bullet. Lots of East Coasters can't get (or don't want Satellite). I have woods that prevent getting a dish. So I need Cablevision to come through for me.

Do you all remember ancientbear42? He lives in an area with a zipcode that the Channel finder says doesn't get Pac-12 network but he does, in fact, get it with Comcast.

Have you Comcast customers tried surfing all the channels?

I receive the Big Ten Network here in San Jose? Has anyone contacted the Pac 12 home office in the SF Bay Area?

I'm also wondering whether I'll be able to watch other Pac 12 games on the other regional channels. I was able to pickup Fox NW, Fox LA & sometimes Fox Arizona in seasons past. Often I could watch 5-6 conference games on Saturdays...I hope that I'm still able to in 2012. GO BEARS!

We get BTNHD, the Big Ten Network, on Cablevision in upstate New York. Maybe the Pac 12 Network will reach an agreement with Cablevision. Unfortunately, I expect the Pac 12 to fail to get the games to us, and hence, will continue to be the most mindless, backward major conference in the country. Like the rest of you have said, this great new deal is going to result in our being able to see even fewer games than in the past.

Anyone in DC area, try Channel 258 or 716. The rep said with the sports package it should show up on either of those channels. Probably wrong but worth a try...

A bit of hopeful news for some DC viewers. As far as COX Northern Virginia goes, they are now showing that it will be available in my zip code (22180). I called COX NOVA and asked what the deal was and they didn't say they weren't going to carry it, but they didn't know when or what channel yet. The Pac12 Channel finder indicates a August 2012 availability.

Please Oski make this true.....please.....please....please.....

CALiforniALUM;841925778 said:

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My assumption was that the Pac12 network would, in part, showcase the conference to other areas of the country, to show what we have going on in Pac12 country. Sadly, no recruits, no fans, no sports writers will currently see many games outside of the Pac12 footprint. I'm pissed because I am one of those fans who happens to live east of the Mississippi, however, all other fans should be complaining as well, since the network isn't going to achieve what many thought was an important objective - to showcase the conference outside of a few national televised games.

WE JUST BECAME MORE INSULAR!!!

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Well if DTV and P12 come to an agreement before Sept, then is it the complete opposite?

Not really. To be honest, the p12 net is mostly for p12 fans or hard core sports fans. For those out of market, a subscription to a sports pack is necessary, and the % of people who subscribe to that is very low.

That said, a DTV contract will make P12 accessible to any national fan who wants P12. But I think it's still something people will have to actively look for, it's not going to make a 'casual lets see what's on the P12 net' browsing list for non- P12 fans.

Big Ten Net is pretty horrendous when it's not football season, and p12 seems to be doing a much better job hiring on air talent and actually marketing the off season and non football events. That's a great move to promote the goals you state above (and it's possible with full ownership where the net can choose to spend a little more and cut a little profit to accomplish something other than making money). So the P12 Network is more watchable from a national perspective, but how many will actually watch?

ColoradoBear1;841926047 said:

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Well if DTV and P12 come to an agreement before Sept, then is it the complete opposite?

Not really. To be honest, the p12 net is mostly for p12 fans or hard core sports fans. For those out of market, a subscription to a sports pack is necessary, and the % of people who subscribe to that is very low.

That said, a DTV contract will make P12 accessible to any national fan who wants P12. But I think it's still something people will have to actively look for, it's not going to make a 'casual lets see what's on the P12 net' browsing list for non- P12 fans.

Big Ten Net is pretty horrendous when it's not football season, and p12 seems to be doing a much better job hiring on air talent and actually marketing the off season and non football events. That's a great move to promote the goals you state above (and it's possible with full ownership where the net can choose to spend a little more and cut a little profit to accomplish something other than making money). So the P12 Network is more watchable from a national perspective, but how many will actually watch?

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The P12 Network isn't so much for exposure -- that's what the new Fox deal was for. It's to ensure that the conference can control most of its content and get more sports on TV, period.

According to the Wilner article, specifically us Chicagoans and DC people are hosed for now. Won't even be able to get it streaming if it's not offered where your cable subscription is!

From Wilner:
"Based on what I’ve heard from readers and info provided by the Pac-12′s channel finder, it appears neither Cox nor Comcast will make the National feed available in Chicago and Washington, D.C./Northern Virginia.

And if the Pac12Nets are not offered on your local cable system, you cannot access them online — even if you have a subscription to Comcast or Cox."

N0rCalBear;841926714 said:

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According to the Wilner article, specifically us Chicagoans and DC people are hosed for now. Won't even be able to get it streaming if it's not offered where your cable subscription is!

From Wilner:
"Based on what I've heard from readers and info provided by the Pac-12′s channel finder, it appears neither Cox nor Comcast will make the National feed available in Chicago and Washington, D.C./Northern Virginia.

And if the Pac12Nets are not offered on your local cable system, you cannot access them online even if you have a subscription to Comcast or Cox."

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If this is indeed the case, someone should make Larry Scott aware. My understanding is that the P12 signed a deal with Comcast to make it available everywhere -- on standard packages in the home markets and on special tiers in other markets. If Comcast isn't doing that they could be in breach of contract.

From what I have read, sounds like he is aware but the "salesman" in him is trying to exaggerate the subscribers for advertising and leverage purposes. Sounds like we are actually starting with far fewer viewers than the 48 million number thrown around, less even than the big 10 started with.

This is from a comcast rep on their forum that describes how they won't carry it in certain markets. Boy I a bummed right now.

"Carriage of the PAC 12 Network on Comcast (or any video provider) requires a contract, commitment and license fees. The PAC 12 made a decision to start their own network and negotiate for cable carriage.

Some real reasons why the PAC 12 Network is not available in all Comcast locations are contractual, financial, bandwidth/channel space related, required business benchmarks, perceived customer demand and interest, and other contractual commitments for other services that are already underway.

We have many channels in different geographic areas that are not available in all areas, that situation is not unique to this network.

Each Comcast area has some level of autonomy on what channels they feel are important to their customer base and to the business.

Online access to PAC 12 Network is currently contractually tied to carriage of the channel on TV. If you get PAC12 as a part of your TV package, then you can access the PAC 12 live streams online. That online access pattern is pretty standard across most all cable networks.

All Xfinity TV customers in a PAC 12 state will have access to their regional PAC-12 network.

Xfinity TV customers who live in a media market where a PAC-12 school is located will have access to their regional PAC-12 network on Digital Starter. This includes the following televison markets:

AZ: Phoenix and Tucson
CA: San Francisco
CO: Denver
OR: Portland and Eugene
UT: Salt Lake City
WA: Seattle and Spokane

Xfinity TV customers who live in a PAC-12 state but not in a school's TV market will have access to their regional PAC-12 network on Digital Preferred.
In these and other markets in our footprint, the Pac-12 national network may be available on the Sports Entertainment Package.

The Regional PAC 12 network will be delivered in SD and HD. The National PAC 12 network will be delivered in SD only. "

sycasey;841926728 said:

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If this is indeed the case, someone should make Larry Scott aware. My understanding is that the P12 signed a deal with Comcast to make it available everywhere -- on standard packages in the home markets and on special tiers in other markets. If Comcast isn't doing that they could be in breach of contract.

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Not me, nope, but surely [U]Someone[/U] should.

From 30 rock's 4th season..

Heard definitively from someone who knows...

Comcast contractually must carry the pac-12 networks in certain percentage of their coverage area outside of the Pac-12 footprint, but it's up to them where that falls. So far they have chosen not to carry the Networks in DC, Chicago, and parts of NYC for sure.

The only way they will add those areas is if we overwhelm them with tweets, phone calls, and emails telling them we want the Pac-12 Network. Let's get to work!

N0rCalBear;841926758 said:

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Heard definitively from someone who knows...

Comcast contractually must carry the pac-12 networks in certain percentage of their coverage area outside of the Pac-12 footprint, but it's up to them where that falls. So far they have chosen not to carry the Networks in DC, Chicago, and parts of NYC for sure.

The only way they will add those areas is if we overwhelm them with tweets, phone calls, and emails telling them we want the Pac-12 Network. Let's get to work!

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Ah, I see. Well, that does suck.

Hopefully DirecTV picks up the network and puts more pressure on those areas to convert (because people will leave them for DTV).

Exactly. DirecTV getting on board is the key to everything. People in the markets that Comcast is not supporting now have an alternative, which forces Comcast to stop jackwagoning around.