Of course hypothetical question. If not furd then name another school in pac12 in which he will start on right now.

Because some of these other coaches have at least half a brain, they would have Anybody else but Maynard at QB by now.

I don't know for sure but we know that for the rest of his life he would act elitist, arrogant and have a speech affectation.

There's your answer.

Better to red shirt him for our new coach!

:cheer

1979bear;841965363 said:

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There's your answer.

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Luck redshirted. Harbaugh keep him on the bench and played Tavita Pritchard.

Pritchard went 147 of 254 (57.9%) for 1,633 yards 10 TDs and 13 INT for a 115 rating.

Yes, Harbaugh redshirted a future #1 draft pick and instead played a guy who played worse than Maynard has either last year or this year.

Of course, Harbaugh was still able to beat USC in L.A. with Pritchard as his QB. The secret? He pounded the ball with Toby Gerhardt behind a line featuring extra linemen and TEs, mixed in with plenty of counters. He even brought DLs over to the offensive side and converted a LBer to FB (had him play both ways) to get the size and power he wanted on the offensive side of the ball.

He transformed that Stanford team in his first year, using the players he found. Then he did the same thing with the 49ers. The excuse that injuries or recruiting are keeping us from having our best team on the field shows how uncreative and limited our thinking is in making use of the players we do have--and it doesn't even require creativity, just copying what Harbaugh did at Stanford and with the 49ers--many of those position switches coming in the middle of the season!

calumnus;841965405 said:

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He transformed that Stanford team in his first year, using the players he found. Then he did the same thing with the 49ers. The excuse that injuries or recruiting are keeping us from having our best team on the field shows how uncreative and limited our thinking is in making use of the players we do have--and it doesn't even require creativity, just copying what Harbaugh did at Stanford and with the 49ers--many of those position switches coming in the middle of the season!

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Harbaugh inherited some very talented players from the Singletary era. It doesn't shock me that the 49ers are good... that they are this good, this fast, yeah. Probably 70% of the starters are the same from Singletary's last season... off the top of my head, Smith, Gore, VDavis, Delanie Walker, Crabtree, Iupati, ADavis, Staley, Justin Smith, Ray Mac, Patrick Willis, Brooks, Tarrell Brown, Dashon Goldson are holdovers.

Now the real question is how the hell did he manage to do this at Stanford?

concernedparent;841965415 said:

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Harbaugh inherited some very talented players from the Singletary era. It doesn't shock me that the 49ers are good... that they are this good, this fast, yeah. Probably 70% of the starters are the same from Singletary's last season... off the top of my head, Smith, Gore, VDavis, Delanie Walker, Crabtree, Iupati, ADavis, Staley, Justin Smith, Ray Mac, Patrick Willis, Brooks, Tarrell Brown, Dashon Goldson are holdovers.

Now the real question is how the hell did he manage to do this at Stanford?

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He focused on Stanford's best offensive weapon--Toby Gerhardt. He then went about getting him as much blocking as possible using the existing personnel, even if it meant position changes, even from defense to offense, even his best guys playing both ways, even playing 2 TEs and a FB, even if playing 7 offensive linemen at times. He created an advantage by design. He had a base play that defenses had to respect--running Gerhardt off-tackle behind an unbalanced line. Once he established that, he worked on creative counters. All passing was off of play-action to Gerhardt, mostly rolling out--made things as easy as possible for his QB to keep pressure off him and build his confidence. Simple and very effective.

He did the same with Gore and the 49ers. He made things easy for Smith.

We could do the same with our best offensive weapon, Bigelow--backed up by Sofele and CJ to keep everyone fresh and fast. Make everything easy for Maynard (like Prichard for Stanford), or for a more talented young QB that you are bringing along (Luck/Kline).

concernedparent;841965415 said:

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Harbaugh inherited some very talented players from the Singletary era. It doesn't shock me that the 49ers are good... that they are this good, this fast, yeah. Probably 70% of the starters are the same from Singletary's last season... off the top of my head, Smith, Gore, VDavis, Delanie Walker, Crabtree, Iupati, ADavis, Staley, Justin Smith, Ray Mac, Patrick Willis, Brooks, Tarrell Brown, Dashon Goldson are holdovers.

Now the real question is how the hell did he manage to do this at Stanford?

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...these guys were there with Singletary and then Harbaugh. The DIFFERENCE is THE COACH, coaching!!

Same with the Bears: we have excellent talent. The DIFFERENCE is coaching!

:horse

tommie317;841965349 said:

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Of course hypothetical question. If not furd then name another school in pac12 in which he will start on right now...

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At this point in the season, I see Kline starting only at 3 schools -- Utah (injuries), Colorado (ineptness) and Washington State (only possibly, because Leach is big on starting Juniors after they have had 2 years in his system once it's established, but could make an exception with 1st year WSU).

I don't see him being QB in the run-based/dual-threat Spread attacks at ASU, Zona and Oregon.

He would still sit behind the QBs at the pro-style schools -- Oregon State, USC, UCLA, Washington and Stanford -- because they already had QBs in their systems more ready than an incoming True Freshman.

If Utah didn't have QB injuries, I would have to take them off the list because their returning Starter (Jordan Wynn) was pretty darn good.

That leaves Colorado (for sure) and WSU (depending on the eccentric Leach) as schools where Kline is the Starter as a True Freshman.

tommie317;841965349 said:

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....Because some of these other coaches have at least half a brain, they would have Anybody else but Maynard at QB by now.

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anybody with half a brain wouldn't burn his Redshirt nearly halfway through the season.

Our Domicile;841965643 said:

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anybody with half a brain wouldn't burn his Redshirt nearly halfway through the season.

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If he is not our best or even second best QB right now, sure keep his redshirt.

However, if he is our best or second best, he should be the #2, should get time with the 1s and should come in for relief of Maynard to show what he can do and at the least prepare for next year, if not win the starting position.

He entered school in Spring. He will graduate in four years. If he is as good as we think he leaves with his degree and does not play as a 5th year grad student (Cal's grad programs are not as easy to get into as other school's there is no preference for athletes). I think the only way he plays as a 5th year senior grad student is if he is not ready for the NFL by then, which would be very disappointing.

If he is already our best and will start next year, any experience he can get this year will help--if he can take over the starting position he will give the fans hope. If he can pull off wins against Oregon or Stanford? Those are huge in of themselves.

calumnus;841965738 said:

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If he is not our best or even second best QB right now, sure keep his redshirt.

However, if he is our best or second best, he should be the #2, should get time with the 1s and should come in for relief of Maynard to show what he can do and at the least prepare for next year, if not win the starting position.

He entered school in Spring. He will graduate in four years. If he is as good as we think he leaves with his degree and does not play as a 5th year grad student (Cal's grad programs are not as easy to get into as other school's there is no preference for athletes). I think the only way he plays as a 5th year senior grad student is if he is not ready for the NFL by then, which would be very disappointing.

If he is already our best and will start next year, any experience he can get this year will help--if he can take over the starting position he will give the fans hope. If he can pull off wins against Oregon or Stanford? Those are huge in of themselves.

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Great observations as usual, but I bet Bridgford, Hinder, Boehm (as underclassmen available for next year) are thinking the same exact way -- "Coach, play me now so I can be ready for next year."

You guys are unaware of the QB controversy down on the Farm. There are plenty of Furdies who want to see Nunes yanked and are pissed at Shaw right now.

calumnus;841965605 said:

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We could do the same with our best offensive weapon, Bigelow--backed up by Sofele and CJ to keep everyone fresh and fast. Make everything easy for Maynard (like Prichard for Stanford), or for a more talented young QB that you are bringing along (Luck/Kline).

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I just don't see this AT ALL.

MAYBE the closest thing that Bigelow resembles in recent times is Reggie Bush. lets say that is the comparison that you want to make. To leverage that kind of player requires the type of QB we don't have (nor the kind of line).

BerlinerBaer;841966046 said:

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You guys are unaware of the QB controversy down on the Farm. There are plenty of Furdies who want to see Nunes yanked and are pissed at Shaw right now.

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Even with Nunes doing his best Maynard impression on the Farm, wouldn't the backup QB, highly-rated Brett Nottingham, [U]still[/U] have the edge over Kline in Stanford's QB hierarchy? He's a Junior, a RS Junior I believe.

That's a lot of time in Stanford's complex pro-style system, something that might/should give him the edge over an incoming early-entry, but still highly-talented True Freshman like Kline.

socaltownie;841966055 said:

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I just don't see this AT ALL.

MAYBE the closest thing that Bigelow resembles in recent times is Reggie Bush. lets say that is the comparison that you want to make. To leverage that kind of player requires the type of QB we don't have (nor the kind of line).

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Why not see him as Jahvid Best? Use him the way we did in the Nut Bowl, when we had Tau'ofo'au at H-Back, split him wide and then toss to Best, Tau'ufo'au makes one big block on the edge and Best was gone.

When Miami started over-pursuing, Best just cut it back inside. Then we had Longshore throw off-play action and we had receivers wide open because the LBers and DBs were biting on the run-fake to Best so hard.

Our Domicile;841966069 said:

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Even with Nunes doing his best Maynard impression on the Farm, wouldn't the backup QB, highly-rated Brett Nottingham, [U]still[/U] have the edge over Kline in Stanford's QB hierarchy? He's a Junior, a RS Junior I believe.

That's a lot of time in Stanford's complex pro-style system, something that might/should give him the edge over an incoming early-entry, but still highly-talented True Freshman like Kline.

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Nunes was ranked #13 in the country by Rivals and #19 by Scout. His stats at this point are worse than Maynard's.

Nottingham was class of 2010. So he would be a redshirt sophomore by standard terminology (Stanford always labels their athletes by academic year instead of eligibility year--part of their pretentiousness)--I think he is just a year behind Nunes. Still that is three years and four years in the system.

calumnus;841966115 said:

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Why not see him as Jahvid Best? Use him the way we did in the Nut Bowl, when we had Tau'ofo'au at H-Back, split him wide and then toss to Best, Tau'ufo'au makes one big block on the edge and Best was gone.

When Miami started over-pursuing, Best just cut it back inside. Then we had Longshore throw off-play action and we had receivers wide open because the LBers and DBs were biting on the run-fake to Best so hard.

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LOL. Because Maynard ONLY throws accurately on that pass to his left. He sucks at it to his right.

<One day in the oregon Film room>

"OK, so when Bigelow goes to the right side of the formation there is absolutely NO chance the ball is going that way. Seriously. NO CHANCE. So if you see that everyone ignore him. He is a decoy. Now we are playing 11 on 9."

socaltownie;841966136 said:

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LOL. Because Maynard ONLY throws accurately on that pass to his left. He sucks at it to his right.

<One day in the oregon Film room>

"OK, so when Bigelow goes to the right side of the formation there is absolutely NO chance the ball is going that way. Seriously. NO CHANCE. So if you see that everyone ignore him. He is a decoy. Now we are playing 11 on 9."

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Are you trying to argue we should not be playing Bigelow? You really think the only way to use him is the way the 2004 and 2005 USC Trojans used Bush?

Your criticism is unclear, maybe you misunderstood my point. I am saying only use Bigelow as a RUNNING THREAT, the way we used Best in the Nut Bowl--either give it to him on the toss or throw after a play fake to him. That is how we used Best in that game. I don't see what Maynard's passing ability has to do with it. what how many of this runs are attacking the edge. Look at how many of Longshore's throws are off of play action:




Whoever we have in at QB, whetehr Maynard or someone with little experience, will be better served by having the defense have to first defend against Bigelow--reducing the defense's ability to blitz and freeing up receivers for our offense. Maynard's limitations are one of the reasons we need to have a real threat like Bigelow on the field and get him the ball. Tedford has always been better when we have an effective ground game.

Nottingham is the closest parallel to Kline at furd and he got beat out by Nunes. So I guess my answer is no. Of course Kline may have beaten out Nunes, but the true freshmen were not given a chance to win that competition, so again the answer is no.

tommie317;841965349 said:

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Of course hypothetical question. If not furd then name another school in pac12 in which he will start on right now.

Because some of these other coaches have at least half a brain, they would have Anybody else but Maynard at QB by now.

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Well that explains it. You're a furd troll. I figured you were just a total negabear from all your posts having a constant negative tone for many years now.

Go home troll.

1979bear;841965363 said:

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There's your answer.

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Elway yes, Luck no. Regardless, there's no way in hell Shaw would play a frosh. Many of us are begging him to at least try Nottingham, who looked better than Nunes in camp, for a series or two. Could get ugly on the Farm if Nunes continues his downward trend and Shaw stands firm. Something will have to give, and I hope it's not team chemistry, wins, and recruits!