Also, listen to the full clip to find out what Tedford-era clothing Rodgers is wearing during his radio show.

Has any player named his grade school or kindergarten class? Their preschool montessori class?

Any way, I have no problem if any player changes things up and acknowledges his old school, hometown, HS, JC, college. As an alum or homer you like to hear your school but it's a freakin' game intro not anything else.

Rodgers must be a lurker......is he drunkoski? Seriously we do come off as whiny babys when those threads on who didn't say what on the NFL intro threads get started.

okaydo;841991690 said:

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Also, listen to the full clip to find out what Tedford-era clothing Rodgers is wearing during his radio show.

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I am fine with Rodgers saying Butte College... if anyone bothered to open their doors to him out of high school, he might say their name.



Also, Tedford was less lucky to find Rodgers than Rodgers was lucky to be found (not to pat Tedford on the back too hard :-p )

I think it's cool A-Rodge even knows this. Kind of shows us as a rabid fanbase.

^^^ Must be twitter...all kinds of crap flies around.

CAL fans are an extremely sensitive and defensive and "woe is us" bunch.

okaydo;841991690 said:

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Also, listen to the full clip to find out what Tedford-era clothing Rodgers is wearing during his radio show.

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It's cool that he knows we get mad.
That means somehow, he's still in touch with Cal's fan base. :cheer

LethalFang;841991762 said:

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It's cool that he knows we get mad.
That means somehow, he's still in touch with Cal's fan base. :cheer

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Cool how he was wearing Cal sweatpants and a Cal t-shirt during the interview too.

Just one of the great things about Rodgers is that he doesn't forget where he came from...and the people that believed in him, along the way; ergo, he mentions Pleasant Valley HS, Butte College, and Cal...at different times. Good for him. Shows his true character. Good man.

I don't mind it when Rodgers says Butte, but I get furious when Desean says Long Beach Poly. At least that seems to be the sentiment on this board.

DJax reformed and said Cal or California a few times. Have to give credit where it's due.

beelzebear;841991813 said:

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DJax reformed and said Cal or California a few times. Have to give credit where it's due.

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Interesting to hear that they don't even record the intro anew for every game. He said that they do it once a year, and sometimes, the same intro is rolled out for multiple years. So the player isn't even making a game-by-game decision about what to say. And on this board, people wait each game to see what the player decided to do "this week."

I love Cal football, but I love Cal more. In one sense, this is a silly distinction because Cal football is not a separate entity independent of the University.

I don't really care if he says "Butte" instead of "Cal" in his introduction. I would prefer if he said Cal, but it is no big deal. He was only here for a few semesters, he doesn't hold a Cal degree, and he has subsequently joined a fraternity at St. Norbert College.

I am concerned with the way he is misrepresenting the academics at our great university. Aaron Rodgers needs to give up this stupid nonsense about getting an F in a fictional class for breaking a very clear rule.

Get over yourself, Aaron. A professor gave you an "F" in a science class because you broke a rule. Stop insinuating that Cal offers BS classes and did you wrong.

He is beginning to sound like Michael Jordan when he was inducted into the NBA hall of fame.

The Duke!;841991903 said:

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I love Cal football, but I love Cal more. In one sense, this is a silly distinction because Cal football is not a separate entity independent of the University.

I don't really care if he says "Butte" instead of "Cal" in his introduction. I would prefer if he said Cal, but it is no big deal. He was only here for a few semesters, he doesn't hold a Cal degree, and he has subsequently joined a fraternity at St. Norbert College.

I am concerned with the way he is misrepresenting the academics at our great university. Aaron Rodgers needs to give up this stupid nonsense about getting an F in a fictional class for breaking a very clear rule.

Get over yourself, Aaron. A professor gave you an "F" in a science class because you broke a rule. Stop insinuating that Cal offers BS classes and did you wrong.

He is beginning to sound like Michael Jordan when he was inducted into the NBA hall of fame.

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Rodgers represents Cal a hell of a lot better than you do, or anybody else on this board.

AR probably says "Butte College" occasionally to remind everyone (and himself probably) that he was overlooked throughout his career beginning with his college career which started with no D1A offers. Maybe it helps motivate him and/or has a chip on his shoulder about it still, or maybe he just wants to give recognition to the program (and coach, who is now the AD as well as father of the Rigsbee brothers) that launched his career.

Considering that he was at Cal twice as long as he was at Butte, I think he should say "Cal" at least twice as much as "Butte." Anyone remember the last time he did represent for "Butte" in the player intros?

HaasBear04;841991919 said:

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Rodgers represents Cal a hell of a lot better than you do, or anybody else on this board.

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How? That doesn't sound like great representation to me. He represents the football program remarkably well (albeit no better than he represents Butte). But how does he represent the University as a whole?

He throws a football really well. Way better than me. No argument there. Probably way better than you too.

But he is continuing to erroneously maintain that Cal offers a BS class called "food appreciation." And he is continuing to bitch about a Professor who enforced a clear rule. He never graduated from our university. How is this a great reflection of our elite academics?

The Duke!;841991903 said:

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I love Cal football, but I love Cal more. In one sense, this is a silly distinction because Cal football is not a separate entity independent of the University.

I don't really care if he says "Butte" instead of "Cal" in his introduction. I would prefer if he said Cal, but it is no big deal. He was only here for a few semesters, he doesn't hold a Cal degree, and he has subsequently joined a fraternity at St. Norbert College.

I am concerned with the way he is misrepresenting the academics at our great university. Aaron Rodgers needs to give up this stupid nonsense about getting an F in a fictional class for breaking a very clear rule.

Get over yourself, Aaron. A professor gave you an "F" in a science class because you broke a rule. Stop insinuating that Cal offers BS classes and did you wrong.

He is beginning to sound like Michael Jordan when he was inducted into the NBA hall of fame.

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You're out of your mind. Cal does offer b.s. classes. In addition to DeCal classes on topics such as the Simpsons, Harry Potter, and Tupac Shakur, there are joke classes like Nutri Sci 10. Trust me, I was not the best student, but even I got an A in that course. There were a few others that escapes me as it's been nearly a decade since I graduated.

If anybody needs to get over themselves, it's you. Your perspective is skewed because you're in academics, but trust me, a vast majority of students do not get off on the intellectual stimulation of going to class. They go through it to get somewhere in life, and luckily for them, Cal offers plenty of non-traditional, b.s. courses to counter the monotony of making it through a semester.

The Duke!;841991927 said:

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How? That doesn't sound like great representation to me. He represents the football program remarkably well (albeit no better than he represents Butte). But how does he represent the University as a whole?

He throws a football really well. Way better than me. No argument there. Probably way better than you too.

But he is continuing to erroneously maintain that Cal offers a BS class called "food appreciation." And he is continuing to bitch about a Professor who enforced a clear rule. He never graduated from our university. How is this a great reflection of our elite academics?

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It's very simple. Here's a list of notable University of California, Berkeley alumni. Rodgers is on it. You're probably not.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_University_of_California,_Berkeley_alumni

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You're out of your mind. Cal does offer b.s. classes. In addition to DeCal classes on topics such as the Simpsons, Harry Potter, and Tupac Shakur, there are joke classes like Nutri Sci 10. Trust me, I was not the best student, but even I got an A in that course. There were a few others that escapes me as it's been nearly a decade since I graduated.

If anybody needs to get over themselves, it's you. Your perspective is skewed because you're in academics, but trust me, a vast majority of students do not get off on the intellectual stimulation of going to class. They go through it to get somewhere in life, and luckily for them, Cal offers plenty of non-traditional, b.s. courses to counter the monotony of making it through a semester.

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De-Cal classes are Pass/Not Pass and do not count towards any degree.

It appears as though Nutri Sci 10 is the class Aaron actually failed. If you were "not the best student" but still managed to follow the rules and get an A, then what does that say about Aaron? How do his comments reflect well on the University?

If being an academic skews ones perspective on plagiarism, does being a quarterback skew one's perspective on football rules?

Would Aaron expect a ref not to enforce the rules if he were to attempt a forward pass beyond the line of scrimmage? Then why would he expect a professor to go easy on him when he broke a citation rule?

Indeed many (most?) college students go to college to get a good job afterwards. Although I disagree about your intellectual stimulation comment. The majority of my students are incredibly engaged in my classes. And they know that they have to work hard and play by the rules. They aren't entitled to pass just because they registered for a course.

Tedhead03;841991964 said:

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It's very simple. Here's a list of notable University of California, Berkeley alumni. Rodgers is on it. You're probably not.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_University_of_California,_Berkeley_alumni

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No, it's not that simple. You appear to be as oblivious as that stupid Wikipedia article. Aaron is not an alumnus. He never graduated. So his name does not belong on any list of prominent alumni.

Ted Kaczynski taught at Cal. So does Barsky. Just because someone is affiliated with a university does not mean that they are a good representative of it.

The Duke!;841992218 said:

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Aaron is not an alumnus. He never graduated.

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The Duke!;841992218 said:

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No, it's not that simple. You appear to be as oblivious as that stupid Wikipedia article. Aaron is not an alumnus. He never graduated. So his name does not belong on any list of prominent alumni.

Ted Kaczynski taught at Cal. So does Barsky. Just because someone is affiliated with a university does not mean that they are a good representative of it.

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You do not have to be a graduate to be an alumnus.

alumnus: a person who has attended or has graduated from a particular school, college, or university
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/alumnus

The Duke!;841992218 said:

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Aaron is not an alumnus. He never graduated.

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UC Berkeley's "Famous Berkeley Alumni" web page lists Jack London, Adam Duritz, George Takei, Philip K. Dick and Jason Kidd.

Not a single one of them is a UC Berkeley graduate.


http://berkeley.edu/tour/students/famous_alumni2.html

I took Summer School at Harvard, so I'm a Harvard alum. Aw yeah.

SoCalBear323;841992234 said:

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I took Summer School at Harvard, so I'm a Harvard alum. Aw yeah.

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That depends if Harvard considers their summer school a part of real Harvard, or is it more like Berkeley Extension.

okaydo;841992230 said:

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UC Berkeley's "Famous Berkeley Alumni" web page lists Jack London, Adam Duritz, George Takei, Philip K. Dick and Jason Kidd.

Not a single one of them is a UC Berkeley graduate.


http://berkeley.edu/tour/students/famous_alumni2.html

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I think the traditional meaning of alumniswas a person who had graduated from a school, although in recents years it has expanded to include a wider range of people who attended but did not graduate. I agree though that non grads should not be counted as alumni. Especially athletes like Jason Kidd who probably never attended a class at Cal. Btw, I love Jason Kidd...

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I think the traditional meaning of alumniswas a person who had graduated from a school, although in recents years it has expanded to include a wider range of people who attended but did not graduate. I agree though that non grads should not be counted as alumni. Especially athletes like Jason Kidd who probably never attended a class at Cal. Btw, I love Jason Kidd...

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I think alumni has always meant attended.

Schools want to be associated with their success stories even if they didn't graduate.

For instance, Harvard's reputation has benefitted from droopouts Mark Zuckerberg and Bill Gates.

I have to say that plenty of TAs (which is what the person was who failed Aaron on the paper) have big of axes to grind - particularly with someone who may be the star of the football team. She clearly had some issues...I believe the story totally, as I ran across plenty of ax to grind TAs in my day at Cal.

Academia is a tough racket and there are lots of bitter folks who are trying to make a name. Seeing a kid like Aaron in class...lots of jealousy and bitterness for someone who clearly WAS going to be an NFL QB and who was going to be making more in his first year than some PHD nutritional science professional will probably make in their entire career.

Stating the case by Aaron is not a knock on Cal. Why would one read it that way?

Oski87;841992484 said:

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I have to say that plenty of TAs (which is what the person was who failed Aaron on the paper) have big of axes to grind - particularly with someone who may be the star of the football team. She clearly had some issues...I believe the story totally, as I ran across plenty of ax to grind TAs in my day at Cal.

Academia is a tough racket and there are lots of bitter folks who are trying to make a name. Seeing a kid like Aaron in class...lots of jealousy and bitterness for someone who clearly WAS going to be an NFL QB and who was going to be making more in his first year than some PHD nutritional science professional will probably make in their entire career.

Stating the case by Aaron is not a knock on Cal. Why would one read it that way?

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Bump. Ever hear the grad student joke?

Q: Why do grad students have dogs?
A: Because they don't talk back.

I've had quite a few a-hole TAs. I've had great ones as well but some people pass along their grief and in grad school it's mostly neurosis.

OskiMD;841992341 said:

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I think the traditional meaning of alumniswas a person who had graduated from a school, although in recents years it has expanded to include a wider range of people who attended but did not graduate. I agree though that non grads should not be counted as alumni. Especially athletes like Jason Kidd who probably never attended a class at Cal. Btw, I love Jason Kidd...

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The word is Latin. Here is its meaning:

alumn.us N 2 1 NOM S M
alumnus, alumni N M [XXXBO]
nursling, young animal/plant; ward, protegee; native daughter; nurse, mother;
alumn.us ADJ 1 1 NOM S M POS
alumnus, alumna, alumnum ADJ [XXXCO]
nourished, brought up; reared/fostered by; native, brought up locally;

The standard English adaption of the term relates to someone who graduated from an institution. But it also has a secondary meaning of someone who participated in something for even a short period of time. "Tom and Bill used to play in the company softball game before they got laid off, so now they are alumni."

But regardless, no one who attended Cal for a couple of semesters but left without a degree should call themselves an alumnus given the normative modern usage of the term. The official Berkeley list of notables puts an asterisk next to the names of such people. If someone who took a semester of classes at Cal applies for a job and tells the interviewer he is an alumnus, and it is later discovered he never earned a degree, what do you think would happen to that person?

Whenever I hear an accusation against anyone, I try to look at the particulars of the accuser's story. Aaron got pretty much every detail wrong in his account.

And he isn't denying that he broke the rule. The TA or Professor may or may not have made an inappropriate comment. But the grade wasn't unjust.

There are only approx. 95 people or so out of 6+ billion in the world who get paid by being an NFL quarterback. It is entirely possible that the Prof didn't know Aaron was going to be an elite NFL QB. Heck, most NFL general managers didn't know that. It is not the Professor or the TA's job to know that. But it is his or her job to encourage the athlete to take academics seriously so that they have a plan if their athletic dream doesn't come true.

But regarding representing the University -- I am not proud of how Jason Kidd represents Cal, but I am very proud of how Kevin Johnson represents Cal. Both were outstanding point guards in both college and the NBA. Both can shoot and pass a basketball much better than I can. But one person has represented himself and his university poorly through his personal conduct while the other has been an amazing ambassador.

Similarly, a Super Bowl MVP award is an amazing accomplishment that reflects incredibly well on Aaron's professional excellence. But if he is going to criticize Cal's academics and pout because a TA or Professor enforced a rule that he broke 9 years ago, I don't see that as a great reflection on our university.