I posted this last year but wanted everyone to see it again going into Spring. Zack Kline was 8 weeks out of high school when he won the spring game with this throw. The second camera angle shows his amazing footwork.

You can also see what Tedford saw in a healthy Spencer Hagan, at 6'5' 235lbs he out muscles and then runs past Avery Sebastian twice for scores. A heathly Hagan could really thrive as an inside big slot/TE next. I'm so excited for this season.

here is the clip

This clip also shows both angles of Brigford's 1st Quarter TD to Hagan

Wow, he already look better than our last starter, there is hope for the future.

As amazing as he looked there and other completions too, I somehow most remember when he was forced out of the pocket, scrambled to the sideline, surveyed the field along the way, saw no one open and chucked the ball out of bounds. A very intelligent play. The kid has composure beyond his years...

Alot of players looked good during spring ball. Harris comes to mind, but he didn't even see the field that year. Even Maynard looked improved...

Sorry, but he just looks ok in this one. Nothing special .

tommie317;842078120 said:

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Sorry, but he just looks ok in this one. Nothing special .

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Tommie. Maybe you can share your HS and college playing or coaching pedigree that allows such an arrogant and dismissive opinion. Or maybe we ahould juat excuse your ignorance because maybe you havent been following this ongoing Qb discussion - this throw got everyone excited because Kline had the rep of a big arm and questions about pocket movement. This throw showed touch by dropping a ball over a safety. The 2 point conversion not shown, but on other YouTube videos, showed his rollout and absolute pro level velocity and accuracy on that completed throw to end zone. No one on roster makes that throw - either here or at most d-1 schools. And the above mentioned throw put of bounds showed the decision making. So the excitement was because a few weeks out of HS with few reps at the college level and only 5-6 throws to show what he had, Kline showed arm strength, touch, decision making, team support and leadership.

his 2 pt throw was better

CalGaoTe;842078126 said:

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Tommie. Maybe you can share your HS and college playing or coaching pedigree that allows such an arrogant and dismissive opinion. Or maybe we ahould juat excuse your ignorance because maybe you havent been following this ongoing Qb discussion - this throw got everyone excited because Kline had the rep of a big arm and questions about pocket movement. This throw showed touch by dropping a ball over a safety. The 2 point conversion not shown, but on other YouTube videos, showed his rollout and absolute pro level velocity and accuracy on that completed throw to end zone. No one on roster makes that throw - either here or at most d-1 schools. And the above mentioned throw put of bounds showed the decision making. So the excitement was because a few weeks out of HS with few reps at the college level and only 5-6 throws to show what he had, Kline showed arm strength, touch, decision making, team support and leadership.

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The linked video (not others that you happen to be aware of) showed two fairly pedestrian plays, nothing more than you'd expect from any D1 QB. Perhaps it is a sign of how badly our QBs have performed that these plays excite us.

CalGaoTe;842078126 said:

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Tommie. Maybe you can share your HS and college playing or coaching pedigree that allows such an arrogant and dismissive opinion. Or maybe we ahould juat excuse your ignorance because maybe you havent been following this ongoing Qb discussion - this throw got everyone excited because Kline had the rep of a big arm and questions about pocket movement. This throw showed touch by dropping a ball over a safety. The 2 point conversion not shown, but on other YouTube videos, showed his rollout and absolute pro level velocity and accuracy on that completed throw to end zone. No one on roster makes that throw - either here or at most d-1 schools. And the above mentioned throw put of bounds showed the decision making. So the excitement was because a few weeks out of HS with few reps at the college level and only 5-6 throws to show what he had, Kline showed arm strength, touch, decision making, team support and leadership.

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Tommie's right. Doesn't matter what his background is.

We see this type of throw every Saturday. I'll be impressed when he can make throws that win us games on Saturday. Until then, let's stop kidding ourselves and ogling over a few random spring game throws when the kid hasn't even done anything yet.

Seriously pathetic

CalGaoTe;842078126 said:

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Tommie. Maybe you can share your HS and college playing or coaching pedigree that allows such an arrogant and dismissive opinion.

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The only one sounding arrogant and dismissive here is you. What, does his opinion hurt your feelings?

To me, it's a nice completion, but it's spring so it doesn't mean a lot. I think the wealth of film we have on Kline in real game situations makes me far more optimistic about him than this one completion. Honestly, Bridgford's TD in the same video was better (in every way: crisp decision making and most importantly ON TIME) than any pass I remember him throwing in an actual game last year.

DilbungLavingson;842078132 said:

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Tommie's right. Doesn't matter what his background is.

We see this type of throw every Saturday. I'll be impressed when he can make throws that win us games on Saturday. Until then, let's stop kidding ourselves and ogling over a few random spring game throws when the kid hasn't even done anything yet.

Seriously pathetic

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Totally agreed. A bit tired of folks talking up players because spring practices or high school tapes, but don't even see the field. Back to the statement about Harris. How many drops did he have that resulted in a huge momentum change. Embarrassing that we thought he was phenomenal during spring.

I can see someone being impress with desean Jackson, lynch, or best because they really stood out. Until these "savior" quarterbacks actually are able to impress the coach enough that they enthusiastically name the starter and supplant their average senior competitors, I will be cautiously optimistic.

Seriously, you are going to rip someone for their opinion because it doesn't agree with yours or the original OP? There needs to be a credential box next to everyone's screen name?
Some people want to see performance in real games, its not all that complicated.

CalGaoTe;842078126 said:

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Tommie. Maybe you can share your HS and college playing or coaching pedigree that allows such an arrogant and dismissive opinion. Or maybe we ahould juat excuse your ignorance because maybe you havent been following this ongoing Qb discussion - this throw got everyone excited because Kline had the rep of a big arm and questions about pocket movement. This throw showed touch by dropping a ball over a safety. The 2 point conversion not shown, but on other YouTube videos, showed his rollout and absolute pro level velocity and accuracy on that completed throw to end zone. No one on roster makes that throw - either here or at most d-1 schools. And the above mentioned throw put of bounds showed the decision making. So the excitement was because a few weeks out of HS with few reps at the college level and only 5-6 throws to show what he had, Kline showed arm strength, touch, decision making, team support and leadership.

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He's right, the guy came wide open and Kline could have thrown it about 50 different ways and hit him.

Maynard and Bridg both would have made the throw.

Why are people making a big deal about this?

This thread was intended to celebrate a possibly bright future for Cal at QB, not to argue over the subjectivity of a good throw.

What does 'I am not impressed, that's just an ordinary throw' accomplish anyways?

very compact throwing motion. Prerequisite skill set for the new system.

SnoozerBear;842078241 said:

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Why are people making a big deal about this?

This thread was intended to celebrate a possibly bright future for Cal at QB, not to argue over the subjectivity of a good throw.

What does 'I am not impressed, that's just an ordinary throw' accomplish anyways?

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Totally agree, besides it is called a Spring GAME .... Real, full speed action against the number #1 defense , it's not like we are highlighting warm up throws during a summer 7 on 7. If the setting is meaningless why is the PAC 12 televising spring games? It was very meaningful and a glimpse of what's to come .... It was an elite read and release under pressure by a kid only weeks out of high school. Stop minimizing. Any QB makes that throw? Right.

Actually, it wasn't really a Spring Game? Dykes is beginning that right? And I'm not sure that the Pac-12 televising supports any other argument except that its programming we want to see, doesn't affect how meaningful it is or isn't...

Many here had Manuel the next Marshawn Lynch because of his spring performance, and yeah, he got a lot of carries in his career. You liked the play, some others didn't-"elite" is a big word. Some of us believe Kline will be great...some of us hope he will be great. If Goff is better, he might not even be here that long.

This isn't your first post-someone disagreed, probably not the first time. The disagreement was hardly personal, and he undeservedly got ripped-that wasn't necessarily minimizing, it was just one thought. Not saying you specifically ripped back, and it was appreciated that you posted the video, but doesn't mean everyone is booking tickets to Pasadena off of it..

Any time the receiver gets off the line like that, we had better hope out QB can complete that for six. Did not always happen the last two years.

SadbutTrue999;842078174 said:

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He's right, the guy came wide open and Kline could have thrown it about 50 different ways and hit him.

Maynard and Bridg both would have made the throw.

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Not Maynard. If you think a strike like that is in his repertoire, I would like to point you to one of the bombs he threw to Anthony Miller in 2011...ball floated like a wounded duck for 40 yards.

okay, so about the Cal secondary....

BlueAndGold;842078274 said:

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Not Maynard. If you think a strike like that is in his repertoire, I would like to point you to one of the bombs he threw to Anthony Miller in 2011...ball floated like a wounded duck for 40 yards.

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LOL. You mean this strike in the 2011 Spring Scrimmage?

Zach Maynard to Anthony Miller TD

From roughly the same 30-yard distance as the throws by ZK and AB in the OP clip, there's plenty of zip and accuracy on the throw by ZM.

JT didn't have 40-yard pass plays in his vaunted Playbook. We didn't have the pass-pro to execute it. If you saw ZM try to throw a pass longer than that, it was strictly ad-lib, a broken play, like going for a home-run against Fresno State at windy AT&T....or you're just making BS up for the sake of making BS up.

edit: Kline does have the stronger arm of the QBs mentioned. No controversy there.

mbBear;842078279 said:

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okay, so about the Cal secondary....

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Hey wasn't Avery a PAC 12 honorable mention selection, hagan burned him twice over the top, pretty sure Avery is known for his big hits and not so much his one on one press coverage skills

Our Domicile;842078280 said:

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LOL. You mean this strike in the 2011 Spring Scrimmage?

Zach Maynard to Anthony Miller TD

From roughly the same 30-yard distance as the throws by ZK and AB in the OP clip, there's plenty of zip and accuracy on the throw by ZM.

JT didn't have 40-yard pass plays in his vaunted Playbook. We didn't have the pass-pro to execute it. If you saw ZM try to throw a pass longer than that, it was strictly ad-lib, a broken play, like going for a home-run against Fresno State at windy AT&T....or you're just making BS up for the sake of making BS up.

edit: Kline does have the stronger arm of the QBs mentioned. No controversy there.

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It was from one of the games at AT&T...(:50)



I'm not really in the business of making stuff up, so you should probably cool it with that.

BlueAndGold;842078345 said:

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It was from one of the games at AT&T...(:50)



I'm not really in the business of making stuff up, so you should probably cool it with that.

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From the link I posted, ZM still made the same throw (in terms of velocity and accuracy) during the same conditions (calm spring weather) at the same location (a Cal practice field) as ZK and AB did in the OP's link.

So he threw a "wounded duck" at windy AT&T Park? Whoopee. Apples and Oranges. You sure didn't make that clear.

Edit: even that so-called "duck" in your example looks damn good for a QB throwing on the run and not setting his feet to throw the ball. It was roughly a 40-yard throw....all arm!

Our Domicile;842078355 said:

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From the link I posted, ZM still made the same throw (in terms of velocity and accuracy) during the same conditions (calm spring weather) at the same location (a Cal practice field) as ZK and AB did in the OP's link.

So he threw a "wounded duck" at windy AT&T Park? Whoopee. Apples and Oranges. You sure didn't make that clear.

Edit: even that so-called "duck" in your example looks damn good for a QB throwing on the run and not setting his feet to throw the ball. It was roughly a 40-yard throw....all arm!

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Call it what you will - and perhaps AB/ZM COULD have made them. The point is, though, they didn't in game situations, for whatever reason. With a new QB, we get to start all over again, and I, for one, refuse to temper my excitement to see strikes like these consistently [because, as you said yourself, he has by far the strongest arm out of those 3].

BlueAndGold;842078361 said:

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Call it what you will - and perhaps AB/ZM COULD have made them. The point is, though, they didn't in game situations, for whatever reason. With a new QB, [COLOR="Blue"]we get to start all over again[/COLOR], and I, for one, refuse to temper my excitement to see strikes like these consistently [because, as you said yourself, he has by far the strongest arm out of those 3].

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Stay excited then, but I would take the "we get to [U]start[/U] all over again" scenario a lot more seriously then, as in the Program can get a "fresh start" now.

Sorry, but it appears some of you aren't [U]finished[/U] with the past and prefer it that way. It must be a Curse of some kind.

To me ZK will be ZK, AB will be AB, ZM was ZM, Riley was Riley, etc etc. I, for one, don't feel a need to compare future and current Cal QBs with Cal QBs of the past.

But if that makes you guys tick, go for it. Thank god I don't have to deal with that kind of misery....but will probably get caught up in it anyways hanging out with you people. Even as a respected foe, I know what Chip Kelly meant by "Win the Day" and how everyday is a new day to win. You guys sure don't. Must be all that losing over the decades.

I'm happy to stay optimistic, and think that Avery is ready to step it up to 1st team Pac-12...it would be huge.

IF there is a historical bar at Cal for QB's, it sure doesn't begin and end with the last few years. When someone starts showing video of Bartkowski and Roth, let me know. Okay, I will settle for a Rodgers throw in for fun.
Win the day, the Future is now, pick your fav slogan...but, I agree, finding a QB that is "making a great throw" because of some comparison to ZM and AB...just get the next win, that's all that matters.

BlueAndGold;842078345 said:

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It was from one of the games at AT&T...(:50)



I'm not really in the business of making stuff up, so you should probably cool it with that.

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Wow! That video is your example of how bad Maynard was? Watched the whole thing--lots of great throws/plays in there, many of them improvised--finding the open target (Miller) when the first options were covered. Maynard displays good mobility and a strong arm (it is a highlight video after all).

Its going to be a long offseason.

BlueAndGold;842078274 said:

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Not Maynard. If you think a strike like that is in his repertoire, I would like to point you to one of the bombs he threw to Anthony Miller in 2011...ball floated like a wounded duck for 40 yards.

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While I'm sure he missed it at times, I'm also pretty sure he's made that throw before. Its really not a hard one in the scheme of things.

I'm excited about Kline too, but this doesn't show all that much.

DilbungLavingson;842078132 said:

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Tommie's right. Doesn't matter what his background is.

We see this type of throw every Saturday. I'll be impressed when he can make throws that win us games on Saturday. Until then, let's stop kidding ourselves and ogling over a few random spring game throws when the kid hasn't even done anything yet.

Seriously pathetic

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+1

While I beleive that Kline will compete hard for the #1 job, this throw doesn't show any progression reads. He simply read his first option and threw a basic pass. Also, qb's can't get hit in spring ball. It's a different game when you feel real pressure and have to take a few hits. I watched the Spring game and was more concerned that our safety got burned so badly even when the qb stared down the throw.

maynard made a living out of missing that throw. just sayin

I think we have 3 guys who could do well in Dykes offense.

BigPape;842079152 said:

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+1

While I beleive that Kline will compete hard for the #1 job, this throw doesn't show any progression reads. He simply read his first option and threw a basic pass. Also, qb's can't get hit in spring ball. It's a different game when you feel real pressure and have to take a few hits. I watched the Spring game and was more concerned that our safety got burned so badly even when the qb stared down the throw.

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sorry I posted this then.

Seriously, it wasn't about a progression of reads, but making a fast first read with outstanding footwork in the pocket followed by a lightening quick release, and yes it was an above average play for a an early enrollee right out of HS.