Another in the lineage of $C QBs proving to be mediocre in the NFL. Barkley's prospects look to be 2nd-3rd round after his poor senior season and season-ending injury.

http://sports.yahoo.com/news/nfl--nfl-draft-prospect-matt-barkley-regrets-not-being-more-outspoken--forceful-at-usc-062448687.html

he's not in the NFL yet-can't we wait to throw dirt? There have been one or two comments by those who make such comments that they aren't sure Barkley is DOA..
I'd also be a bit more "tail between my legs" about this, as the CAL QB's not named Aaron Rodgers aren't exactly climbing out of the woodwork in the NFL...

tenplay;842116095 said:

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Another in the lineage of $C QBs proving to be mediocre in the NFL. Barkley's prospects look to be 2nd-3rd round after his poor senior season and season-ending injury.

http://sports.yahoo.com/news/nfl--nfl-draft-prospect-matt-barkley-regrets-not-being-more-outspoken--forceful-at-usc-062448687.html

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Maybe this means the pressure will be off him and he will succeed because the highly touted and drafted USC QB's all crashed and burned in the NFL.

tenplay;842116095 said:

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Another in the lineage of $C QBs proving to be mediocre in the NFL. Barkley's prospects look to be 2nd-3rd round after his poor senior season and season-ending injury.

http://sports.yahoo.com/news/nfl--nfl-draft-prospect-matt-barkley-regrets-not-being-more-outspoken--forceful-at-usc-062448687.html

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Not sure how all this second guessing about his decision to stay at SC really matters. Barkley will ultimately be evaluated on his tape and his accuracy in front of scouts. He is a good talent in a lousy QB draft. Barkley may sink down to the second round, but then again so did good players like DJ. IMO, Barkely is good value bargain at a 2nd or 3rd round choice. He is a NFL talent. Not sure he is another AR, but then again who is?

mbBear;842116106 said:

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he's not in the NFL yet-can't we wait to throw dirt? There have been one or two comments by those who make such comments that they aren't sure Barkley is DOA..
I'd also be a bit more "tail between my legs" about this, as the CAL QB's not named Aaron Rodgers aren't exactly climbing out of the woodwork in the NFL...

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But mbBear. I want to throw dirt now. LOL

wifeisafurd;842116112 said:

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Not sure how all this second guessing about his decision to stay at SC really matters. Barkley will ultimately be evaluated on his tape and his accuracy in front of scouts. He is a good talent in a lousy QB draft. Barkley may sink down to the second round, but then again so did good players like DJ. IMO, Barkely is good value bargain at a 2nd or 3rd round choice. He is a NFL talent. Not sure he is another AR, but then again who is?

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+1

Considering how many times the experts are wrong about QB's ON DRAFT DAY vs. real production in the NFL, it's a little early to assume Barkley's (or anyone's) career will end up going nowhere.

Today, the 'new breed of QB' that is causing so much buzz (as if the next Manning or Brady wouldn't make it in today's NFL) is exemplified by RGIII, Kaepernick and Wilson - with only RGIII going in the 1st round.

On the more conventional QB side, Dalton was drafted after Newton, Locker, Gabbert and Ponder (right before Kaepernick). If teams could 're-draft' 2011 - both Kaepernick and Dalton would have gone much higher.

Whether Barkley sneaks into the 1st round, goes in the 2nd, or falls to the 3rd does not determine whether he will be a success in the NFL.

davetdds;842116114 said:

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But mbBear. I want to throw dirt now. LOL

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LOL! That's funny as heck... ^

He was good enough to kick the living snot out of us.

How's Maynard projecting in the NFL?

tommie317;842116127 said:

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How's Maynard projecting in the NFL?

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Bro might set him up.

Is still a high draft position.

Two sides to every coin. The relatively poor performance under more duress as an immobile drop back guy can be seen as "low ceiling". OR maybe cause he's the only one of those Toe jam QBs to have DLs chasing him around it's been a character building experience that the previous guys lacked. Who knows. Personally I think it's low ceiling but hey that may work out better for him. He gets drafted lower and gets to sit behind someone and acclimate

Kudos to Barkley for sticking around for his Senior year. I wish him well in the NFL.

Hail2Calif;842116120 said:

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Considering how many times the experts are wrong about QB's ON DRAFT DAY vs. real production in the NFL, it's a little early to assume Barkley's (or anyone's) career will end up going nowhere.

Today, the 'new breed of QB' that is causing so much buzz (as if the next Manning or Brady wouldn't make it in today's NFL) is exemplified by RGIII, Kaepernick and Wilson - with only RGIII going in the 1st round.

On the more conventional QB side, Dalton was drafted after Newton, Locker, Gabbert and Ponder (right before Kaepernick). If teams could 're-draft' 2011 - both Kaepernick and Dalton would have gone much higher.

Whether Barkley sneaks into the 1st round, goes in the 2nd, or falls to the 3rd does not determine whether he will be a success in the NFL.

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You make it seem like drafting a QB is a crap shoot. If anything, the one position the NFL most accurately drafts for is the QB position. It does matter where you are drafted.

84% of all of the current starting QBs in the NFL were drafted in the 1st or 2nd rounds...including 69% were drafted in the 1st round. Here is the distribution:

1st round: 22 players
2nd round: 5 players
3rd round: 2 players (Russell Wilson, Matt Schaub)
4th round: 0 players
5th round: 0 players
6th round: 1 player (Tom Brady)
7th round: 1 player (Matt Flynn)
Undrafted: 1 player (Tony Romo)

In other words, the median QB is a first rounder. There is no other position that can make that claim.

If Barkley drops to the 3rd round, it doesn't mean he won't have a successful NFL career, but his odds drop significantly.

ducktilldeath;842116161 said:

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lol, like being drafted in the 2nd or 3rd round is some disaster. What an absurd post.

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I know Montana was 3rd round. wasn't Brady around there also.

tenplay;842116095 said:

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Another in the lineage of $C QBs proving to be mediocre in the NFL. Barkley's prospects look to be 2nd-3rd round after his poor senior season and season-ending injury.

http://sports.yahoo.com/news/nfl--nfl-draft-prospect-matt-barkley-regrets-not-being-more-outspoken--forceful-at-usc-062448687.html

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I think Barkley got a bit exposed this season, particularly in losses to Stanford, Arizona and UCLA. Barkley is good at a lot of things, but doesn't seem great in any area.

He'll play in the NFL, certainly, but I don't see him in that group with Luck, RGIII, Russell Wilson or Colin Kaepernick.

davetdds;842116169 said:

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wasn't Brady around there also.

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End of the 6th round.

tommie317;842116127 said:

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How's Maynard projecting in the NFL?

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Maynard will be the next Cal star in the NFL. Put your money on it.

maybe maynard can be the next waterboy in nfl, he should become a waterboy and let all of the nfl players talk crap to him, then 5 years down the line he'll be so pissed that he'll become the next mike singletary.

concerning barkley, he actually sounded really mature when he was doing his interview with John Gruden. although he cost himself some money and draft position in the short term, i think that hes going to be better off.

although its usc, i dont root for their guys to fail in the nfl, theres not a whole lot of reason to. they are gone and its not like cal is playing them again. From what i do see at least with their recent qb's leinart and sanchez what does hurt them in the nfl is that they are challenged a lot more in different ways and either not equipped or prepared to handle it. in college those guys end up looking great because they get all day to pass, their oline is so dominant that they are rarely challenged and they dont develop certain skills that are essential for the pro game. things such as learning to throw under pressure, how to go through their reads at a much quicker pace, how to lead in times of adversity, how to work hard and perfect your game.

when i went back and rewatched cal vs usc 2003 and cal vs usc 2004, it was actually quite obvious that rodgers was a better qb, a more talented qb and more efficient qb than leinart. leinarts passes floated a lot more. but leinart had so much talent to work with. i think it made him look better than he actually was.

when your team has so much talent and more often than not, so good. i think it can actually stunt development with qbs. i basically think that it can be attributed to at least their last two qbs.

As much as I don't like SC or their QBs, I think the NFL may be over-evaluating Barkley. The fact that he was able to win the starting QB position at SC as a true freshman despite a stocked talent pool should mean something. I suspect he might benefit longterm from the attitude adjustment of his falling NFL draft position. Hopefully he can come in some place, bring in a strong work ethic and prove wrong the ding-dongs who one year say he is a top 10 pick and the next year that he is not even a first round talent.

concernedparent;842116180 said:

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End of the 6th round.

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..and that was the worst day of his life. Watch this video to get a bird's eye view of what a sense of entitlement that would choke a horse looks like. Do you figure he lacks empathy for the abject misery that a large percentage of the world lives in? When Tom and Giselle got their quarterly statement from their brokers they probably had a boo hoo session because their portfolio was only up $175 million because they didn't have enough in equities to take full advantage of the market spike. That was followed up by a therapy session (including electric shock) when Giselle saw some cellulite on the back of her thighs.

Barkley isn't real tall, probably about 6',1". Doesn't move too fast behind the Oline. He is accurate, but has anyone noticed a similarity to our own Alan Bridgeford? He really has to wind up before letting it go. He doesn't have the ability to fling it like Rodgers or Matt Stafford in Detroit with a short recoil. Finally, the injury he suffered at the hands of the UCLA linebacker is the same kind of hit he will be subject to time and again in the NFL. He may be fragile as well.

a lot of people have been saying that article reflects badly on Kiffen, and his leadership void.

will be taken in the first round. He is a good QB.

ducktilldeath;842116161 said:

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lol, like being drafted in the 2nd or 3rd round is some disaster. What an absurd post.

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there is no absurdity to the post ... he was a top 5 pick last year if he came out and worth tens of millions of dollars immediately. now that he has dropped to 2nd or 3rd round, he needs to earn his tens of millions of dollars before he gets it.

i root for the kid but i root against the hyped machine garbage that is $UC

okay. I was sanctimonious earlier. Cocktail hour here in the East. Go.

davetdds;842116169 said:

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I know Montana was 3rd round. wasn't Brady around there also.

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I think Brady was 7th round.

TiredBear;842116273 said:

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I think Brady was 7th round.

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22nd pick of the 6th round so close.

i dont think that he was a top 5 pick anyway last year. thought he was a late first rounder on everything that i read.he probably lost about 1/2 a round. i think he'll go midway through the second instead of late first. i mean if its not about the money, which he doesnt strike me as his family being poor, then whats the big rush to get to the nfl, especially if he felt he wasnt ready or wanted to still stay in school. he was probably living the life at usc anyway

First round? By which team?

UCBerkGrad;842116145 said:

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You make it seem like drafting a QB is a crap shoot. If anything, the one position the NFL most accurately drafts for is the QB position. It does matter where you are drafted.

84% of all of the current starting QBs in the NFL were drafted in the 1st or 2nd rounds...including 69% were drafted in the 1st round. Here is the distribution:

1st round: 22 players
2nd round: 5 players
3rd round: 2 players (Russell Wilson, Matt Schaub)
4th round: 0 players
5th round: 0 players
6th round: 1 player (Tom Brady)
7th round: 1 player (Matt Flynn)
Undrafted: 1 player (Tony Romo)

In other words, the median QB is a first rounder. There is no other position that can make that claim.

If Barkley drops to the 3rd round, it doesn't mean he won't have a successful NFL career, but his odds drop significantly.

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I'm not saying its purely a crap shoot, but on the other hand, how many QB's taken in the first round, say in the last 10 years, don't end up being a consistent starter in the NFL. I mean some of the starters are starters for a brief time only because they were taken in the 1st round and the team feels it HAS to start them.

For instance, Carson Palmer was a 1st round pick, but the Raiders basically gave him away, and his postion will probably go to Flynn or Pryor (neither a 1st rounder). Blaine Gabbert was a 1st round pick and is battling Chad Henne for his starting job after a few years off and on behind center, Jake Locker is no certainty to enjoy a long NFL career - but for now, he almost 'has to' start. Weeden is another guy annointed as the starter as a rookie but certainly no lock to be the starter again.

I dont see Barkley in the first round, maybe the second. Geno Smith is already a reach in the first round. This is for two reasons

1) None of the QBs stand out as "the next big thing"
2) None of the teams needing a QB NEED a QB as a first priority (the only teams I can think of taking a bite at QB are Eagles, Bills, and maybe Jacksonville?). I can see many of these teams drafting a QB in the second/third round.

That being said, bashing on Barkley's stock dropping is kind of ridiculous seeing how our own KA's stock is seemingly dropping as well. It's the nature of the draft - some people move up, some people move down. That isnt to say they are bad players, it just means they have a bigger chip on their shoulder to prove their worth.

I for one will never laugh at a guy for staying an additional year. Not only do they get a degree, but it shows loyalty to their school.

Too much demand for QBs...Barkley won't last too far into the 2nd round. He could very well be the 4th QB taken (after Geno Smith, EJ Manuel, Nassib) but I doubt he'll last till the 3rd round.

stanfurdbites;842116262 said:

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there is no absurdity to the post ... he was a top 5 pick last year if he came out and worth tens of millions of dollars immediately.

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Some folks were even debating who the better NFL QB prospect was, Barkley or Luck. Barkley, with his weak arm, inferior athleticism, and lack of intangibles will most likely be the next Matt Leinart. Or if he's lucky, the next Matt Cassel.

He is a much better prospect than Tim Tebow 25th pick... Jake Locker 8th pick... Gabbert 10th pick... Ponder 12th pick...Weeden 22nd pick... That is just the last 3 drafts. I didn't include QBs that are better prospects than him which include Luck, RGIII, Cam Newton, etc. Hell he is a better prospect than Sanchez was coming out who was the 5th pick in the draft. He is also a 4 year starter which is a better sign of success for the NFL.

He will go in the first.