It was a laughable comparison and argument earlier in the season, but a vocal contingent of posters on this board insisted that Goff was superior to Aaron Rodgers, at least the college version of Aaron Rodgers.

Now, that argument is just delusional and epic hubris. Would anyone really disagree?

Jared Goff looked very average tonight in a nationally televised big matchup, and that's being generous to him. Last week, in another nationally televised big matchup, Goff looked absolutely terrible.

Yes, Aaron Rodgers had one bad game against Oregon State. Goff, if especially you look back across his freshman year, has had numerous poor games (see Oregon in the rain).

Don't get me wrong. Jared Goff as a junior is normally a very good college quarterback. But I don't see him succeeding in the NFL with play like this. Remember, excellent college QBs like Matt Barkley, Mark Sanchez, Brett Hundley, Matt Leinart, and Jake Locker either failed and washed out of the NFL or are barely hanging on to a backup job in the NFL. I don't see Jared Goff's trajectory being much different.

Unless he shows marked improvement, I see Goff as a poor man's Nick Foles (current version of Foles on the Rams, not the early Eagles version) at best, and more likely a Pat Barnes. That is, someone who gets drafted, plays backup for a couple of years, and then washes out of the NFL. No shame in that, but definitely not anything like Aaron Rodgers, who is one of the all-time greats.

Btw, Goff now has a record of 11 wins and 20 losses at Cal.

Until you give him a team comparable to the ones Rodgers had, you cannot really compare adequately. Rodgers had a great line at Cal. He also had some good defenses two. That helps out a ton.

KoreAmBear;842576669 said:

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Until you give him a team comparable to the ones Rodgers had, you cannot really compare adequately. Rodgers had a great line at Cal. He also had some good defenses two. That helps out a ton.

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I bet if you put college Aaron Rodgers on this team, it would be 7-0 with blowout wins over WSU, Texas, and UW.

jaccpot10;842576672 said:

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I bet if you put college Aaron Rodgers on this team, it would be 7-0 with blowout wins over WSU, Texas, and UW.

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Oh yeah? I bet i could throw a football over dem mountains!

BeggarEd;842576680 said:

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Oh yeah? I bet i could throw a football over dem mountains!

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He's no Rico.

AR had a much better OL

HoopDreams;842576682 said:

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AR had a much better OL

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He also had much better arm strength, accuracy, foot speed, football IQ, and grace under pressure.

In other words, Aaron Rodgers was just better.

We have one other nfl player on offense right now. Rodgers had plenty. I don't think goff will be as good as rodgers in the pros but he's the fuckin truth.

"And of course, Cal's offensive dominance was made possible by an experienced and extremely talented offensive line, from which three out of its five starters were NFL draftees."

That is a reference to Cal's 2004 team for what its worth. I'd agree at this stage that Rodgers was better, but im not sure theyre as far apart as you seem to be suggesting either.

BeggarEd;842576698 said:

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"And of course, Cal's offensive dominance was made possible by an experienced and extremely talented offensive line, from which three out of its five starters were NFL draftees."

That is a reference to Cal's 2004 team for what its worth. I'd agree at this stage that Rodgers was better, but im not sure theyre as far apart as you seem to be suggesting either.

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AR = greatest QB of all-time, barring injury

Goff = good college QB who will probably have an NFL career as long as Pat Barnes' NFL career

That's a pretty wide gap.

tim94501;842576697 said:

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We have one other nfl player on offense right now. Rodgers had plenty. I don't think goff will be as good as rodgers in the pros but he's the fuckin truth.

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More of the case Rodgers made them look good.
See James Jones? Dumped and kicked to the curb by every NFL club, and looks like a Pro Bowler with Rodgers.

jaccpot10;842576702 said:

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AR = greatest QB of all-time, barring injury

Goff = good college QB who will probably have an NFL career as long as Pat Barnes' NFL career

That's a pretty wide gap.

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You're out of it my friend. Hes played with the last talented teams in nfl history and still may be the #1 pick.

Kyle Boller mostly held a clip board for about 7 seasons in the NFL and probably made close to $20m. I think Goff is a greater talent than Boller without a doubt. Pat Barnes was a competitor but thats a ridiculous call.

Rodgers is great, but calling him the greatest QB of all time barring injury is premature. He might end up there, but if he never wins another Super Bowl (or 2) he is not even in that discussion.

LethalFang;842576707 said:

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More of the case Rodgers made them look good.
See James Jones? Dumped and kicked to the curb by every NFL club, and looks like a Pro Bowler with Rodgers.

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That's in the nfl. They shitted on rodgers mechanics coming out of cal.

tim94501;842576710 said:

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You're out of it my friend. Hes played with the last talented teams in nfl history and still may be the #1 pick.

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What??

You still think Goff is the #1 overall draft pick after these last two games? Come on. I like Goff, and I still think he can be a 1st round draft pick by playing well the rest of the season, but #1 overall draft picks don't have back-to-back poor college games on national television like Goff just had.

He'll be the first qb taken. If the team with that pick needs a qb then you better believe they are taking him.

BeggarEd;842576711 said:

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Kyle Boller mostly held a clip board for about 7 seasons in the NFL and probably made close to $20m. I think Goff is a greater talent than Boller without a doubt. Pat Barnes was a competitor but thats a ridiculous call.

Rodgers is great, but calling him the greatest QB of all time barring injury is premature. He might end up there, but if he never wins another Super Bowl (or 2) he is not even in that discussion.

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I have no doubt AR will win another Super Bowl. He should have won 3 by now, but for a subpar coach in Mike McCarthy with questionable game planning and play calling in the playoffs againat the Giants and Seahawks.

AR is approaching the prime of his career. He can play in the NFL for 10 more years, again barring a catastrophic injury.

Btw, I don't think winning 2 or more Super Bowls is a requirement for discussion to be the GOAT. Peyton Manning and Brett Favre each only won 1 Super Bowl, and both are in that discussion right now (though yes, that discussion is still dominated by Joe Montana, Tom Brady, and maybe Johnny Unitas and John Elway).

BeggarEd;842576711 said:

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Pat Barnes was a competitor but thats a ridiculous call.

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Btw, I think we are forgetting just how good Pat Barnes was in college his final season. In 1996, he threw for 31 TDs and just 8 INTs. About 3600 yards passing. He didn't play in the Air Raid system, either. 2nd Team All-American QB behind only Jake Plummer, who nearly won the national championship that season.

Barnes was the third QB chosen in the NFL draft that year after Jim Druckenmiller and Jake Plummer. Had Gilbertson not burned Pat Barnes' redshirt season, Pat Barnes, with another year, might have been a 1st round draft pick.

Pretty darn good. So yes, I think the comparison is apt, especially when you consider that that Cal team went 6-5, much like this season for Cal, in which we now seem to be headed to 7-5.

jaccpot10;842576716 said:

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What??

You still think Goff is the #1 overall draft pick after these last two games? Come on. I like Goff, and I still think he can be a 1st round draft pick by playing well the rest of the season, but #1 overall draft picks don't have back-to-back poor college games on national television like Goff just had.

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Care to post some evidence to support the claim that #1 overall picks don't have back to back poor games in college?

First of all, I thought last night Goff played fine. In fact, there were some plays that will have NFL scouts salivating. Particularly the play when UCLA came with a middle rush and was in his face, and instead of scrambling, or going down, he deftly slid in the pocket to the left, and then stepped up one step, and completed a 10 yard pass. It was subtle, but it was technically flawless and showed an incredible amount of awareness.

I disagree, also, with the criticism of Goff's speed/running. I've seen him do fine out of the pocket, and let's not forget his toughness in winning that Washington game.

I thought Goff had an excellent game. The O-line was getting blown out, there was no running offense, and the receivers were well covered. He still managed to generate offense and had no INTs.

Goff>Alex Smith>AR back in the day according to the football pundits>the BI pundits.

Goff is no Rodgers.

However, you are talking about two completely different offensive lines. Goff has very little support. Color me unimpressed with every facet of this team aside from Goff.

CalLax;842577105 said:

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I thought Goff had an excellent game. The O-line was getting blown out, there was no running offense, and the receivers were well covered. He still managed to generate offense and had no INTs.

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Did you actually watch the game in full? Or are you going off the box score statistics?

Because I was there at the game, and Goff's numbers were some of the softest passing statistics for 250+ yards, 3 TDs, and 0 INTs I have ever seen. He was not helped by his offensive line or his WRs who dropped passes repeatedly, but he missed and underthrew a lot of passes, too.

Did someone say he was a better college QB in earlier threads?

tim94501;842576697 said:

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We have one other nfl player on offense right now. Rodgers had plenty. I don't think goff will be as good as rodgers in the pros but he's the fuckin truth.

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You can't really count Marshawn given that he was just a backup in 2004. J.J. Arrington, I believe, was a second rounder that flamed out. Other than that, I do not recall any players on offense making it in the NFL. Certainly, none of the pass catchers moved on to the pros.

goldenokiebear;842577185 said:

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Did someone say he was a better college QB in earlier threads?

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Yes, repeatedly. A number of posters here were ready to anoint Goff to the Hall of Fame and call him the greatest Cal QB ever, suggesting that he was a "generational" talent.

Pretty crazy, huh?

YuSeeBerkeley;842577194 said:

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You can't really count Marshawn given that he was just a backup in 2004. J.J. Arrington, I believe, was a second rounder that flamed out. Other than that, I do not recall any players on offense making it in the NFL. Certainly, none of the pass catchers moved on to the pros.

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Agree.

Aaron Rodgers' WR corps was very subpar. Sorry to Jonathan Makonnen, Toler, and the others, but none of those receivers would be within our Top 5 WRs on this team. Even Chase Lyman had like one or two good games only, and then he got injured.

Also, Aaron Rodgers did not run an Air Raid. At least can finally get rid of the Goff > Rodgers crap around here.

jaccpot10;842576656 said:

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It was a laughable comparison and argument earlier in the season, but a vocal contingent of posters on this board insisted that Goff was superior to Aaron Rodgers, at least the college version of Aaron Rodgers.

Now, that argument is just delusional and epic hubris. Would anyone really disagree?

Jared Goff looked very average tonight in a nationally televised big matchup, and that's being generous to him. Last week, in another nationally televised big matchup, Goff looked absolutely terrible.

Yes, Aaron Rodgers had one bad game against Oregon State. Goff, if especially you look back across his freshman year, has had numerous poor games (see Oregon in the rain).

Don't get me wrong. Jared Goff as a junior is normally a very good college quarterback. But I don't see him succeeding in the NFL with play like this. Remember, excellent college QBs like Matt Barkley, Mark Sanchez, Brett Hundley, Matt Leinart, and Jake Locker either failed and washed out of the NFL or are barely hanging on to a backup job in the NFL. I don't see Jared Goff's trajectory being much different.

Unless he shows marked improvement, I see Goff as a poor man's Nick Foles (current version of Foles on the Rams, not the early Eagles version) at best, and more likely a Pat Barnes. That is, someone who gets drafted, plays backup for a couple of years, and then washes out of the NFL. No shame in that, but definitely not anything like Aaron Rodgers, who is one of the all-time greats.

Btw, Goff now has a record of 11 wins and 20 losses at Cal.

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no way-Rogers had/has feet.

Ahhhhhhh Hell no!

Bacabunch;842577933 said:

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Ahhhhhhh Hell no!

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If Jared had UCLA's OL in front of him Thursday night, he'd have been lights out. Had Rosen had our OL, he would have been shut out. Period.

BTW, Rodgers went to Cal?

Irishbear;842577938 said:

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If Jared had UCLA's OL in front of him Thursday night, he'd have been lights out. Had Rosen had our OL, he would have been shut out. Period.

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What if either had had Aaron Rodgers crop of journeymen WRs when he was at Cal, post-injury to Chase Lyman? I don't think either would have been able to perform close to Rodgers' level.

Irishbear;842577938 said:

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If Jared had UCLA's OL in front of him Thursday night, he'd have been lights out. Had Rosen had our OL, he would have been shut out. Period.

BTW, Rodgers went to Cal?

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Note: Great to see Payton on the sidelines at the Tennessee game today. He's also appeared at other Tenn. sports games. Then he filmed a promo for His alma mater. Class guy, and not a bad representative of his college. No real Cal fan will excuse the very obvious disrespect AR shows for Cal. If you do the same, why are you on the forum?

HoopDreams;842576682 said:

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AR had a much better OL

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Yep, by far.
AR OL >> JG OL
and that's the answer to that question.

Also a hint if anyone questions if Rosen better than Goff as frosh, and now.
Blocking and Tackling, but too often lately our OL tackles while our DL blocks ... oops.

Hi Amy!