Mayer Dei @ IMG Acadeny

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FrankBear21
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Mater**

Perhaps the HS game of the decade is tonight. Should be a great game.

Thought the game was in Florida too. I'm all over the place.
KenBurnski
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Thanks for the heads up! An article mentions that both teams combined account for nearly 50 FBS recruits. It should be highly entertaining.
C6Bear
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Is it being broadcast by anyone?
RighteousGoldenBear
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Info on the game and how to watch:

https://www.cbssports.com/college-football/news/how-to-watch-no-2-mater-dei-vs-no-5-img-academy-top-prospects-game-preview/
OdontoBear66
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Sounds like it was all it proclaimed to be. My impression, from what I read, is other than being the top schools on either coast in FB, they don't share the same academic inclinations (maybe I am wrong about IMG, but the FB first attitude???). MD is a very solid college prep school that, yes, does recruit like the devil. But the academics are solid. IMG, not sure.
Goobear
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Yes I was there with better half and friends to support the Monarchs.

IMG looked bigger but were very cocky and on the dirty side. 3 IMG layers got kicked off the field by the refs. In the second half you could see that the conditioning of MD was paying benefits. Close until the end but in the last drive MD scored and won 28-24.

Stand out players were 2 running backs at IMG no. 6 and 7. At MD Bru McCoy was the man. Bryce Young the QB was very good and calm cool and collected. Shakobe Harper is the MD RB next to Dollars. Shakobe was very impressive. I wonder if Cal is looking at him. The MD defense was stout enough to slow IMG down but could not stop the running game. Saw Nimmo out there make some plays.

Our Monarchs won. The place was sold out. Tickets were oversold and folks were watching the game at places I had not seen before.

Cal should be all over MD. Wilcox and Rollo are cut from the same cloth except their voices....

Mater Dei doesn't need to recruit. Kids want to come play there. Always been that way. The kids want to see if they can make it there and win. If they were not winning much they may need to. Like some schools in the Trinity League. It's nice to make statements about MD. But unless one had/have kids going there and play football there how would you know? Sat in stands last night at the visitor section for last night. The main vibe was IMG will steamroll MD. Look what happened? In other words perception is not reality.

Go Bears!
Ncsf
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Goobear said:

Yes I was there with better half and friends to support the Monarchs.

IMG looked bigger but were very cocky and on the dirty side. 3 IMG layers got kicked off the field by the refs. In the second half you could see that the conditioning of MD was paying benefits. Close until the end but in the last drive MD scored and won 28-24.

Stand out players were 2 running backs at IMG no. 6 and 7. At MD Bru McCoy was the man. Bryce Young the QB was very good and calm cool and collected. Shakobe Harper is the MD RB next to Dollars. Shakobe was very impressive. I wonder if Cal is looking at him. The MD defense was stout enough to slow IMG down but could not stop the running game. Saw Nimmo out there make some plays.

Our Monarchs won. The place was sold out. Tickets were oversold and folks were watching the game at places I had not seen before.

Cal should be all over MD. Wilcox and Rollo are cut from the same cloth except their voices....

Mater Dei doesn't need to recruit. Kids want to come play there. Always been that way. The kids want to see if they can make it there and win. If they were not winning much they may need to. Like some schools in the Trinity League. It's nice to make statements about MD. But unless one had/have kids going there and play football there how would you know? Sat in stands last night at the visitor section for last night. The main vibe was IMG will steamroll MD. Look what happened? In other words perception is not reality.

Go Bears!
Newsflash- MD absolutely recruits and gets a plethora of transfers. I mean they are blatant!! Anybody that follows just a little knows that.
bonsallbear
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But they don't recruit like IMG
Goobear
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NCSF it lis not what people and you think. You ever been at Mater Dei? It's perception.
NYCGOBEARS
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The program like DLS's is so successful that good players want to go there.
Goobear
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Indeed NYC....By the way when are you coming to a game and I can shake your hand?
NYCGOBEARS
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Goobear said:

Indeed NYC....By the way when are you coming to a game and I can shake your hand?

I'd love to meet you goo. I was at the UNC game.
Yogi Is King
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NYCGOBEARS said:

Goobear said:

Indeed NYC....By the way when are you coming to a game and I can shake your hand?

I'd love to meet you goo. I was at the UNC game. I saw a women wearing a t-shirt that said "Addi Ooms". Your wife perhaps?
This isn't Utah.
59bear
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Goobear said:

Yes I was there with better half and friends to support the Monarchs.

IMG looked bigger but were very cocky and on the dirty side. 3 IMG layers got kicked off the field by the refs. In the second half you could see that the conditioning of MD was paying benefits. Close until the end but in the last drive MD scored and won 28-24.

Stand out players were 2 running backs at IMG no. 6 and 7. At MD Bru McCoy was the man. Bryce Young the QB was very good and calm cool and collected. Shakobe Harper is the MD RB next to Dollars. Shakobe was very impressive. I wonder if Cal is looking at him. The MD defense was stout enough to slow IMG down but could not stop the running game. Saw Nimmo out there make some plays.

Our Monarchs won. The place was sold out. Tickets were oversold and folks were watching the game at places I had not seen before.

Cal should be all over MD. Wilcox and Rollo are cut from the same cloth except their voices....

Mater Dei doesn't need to recruit. Kids want to come play there. Always been that way. The kids want to see if they can make it there and win. If they were not winning much they may need to. Like some schools in the Trinity League. It's nice to make statements about MD. But unless one had/have kids going there and play football there how would you know? Sat in stands last night at the visitor section for last night. The main vibe was IMG will steamroll MD. Look what happened? In other words perception is not reality.

Go Bears!
Has there ever been a successful private school athletic program that wasn't accused (or guilty) of recruiting? Hell, even some public schools draw a suspicious stream of transfers.
OdontoBear66
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bonsallbear said:

But they don't recruit like IMG
Close, just not as blatant. If you live anywhere near Orange County you know there is a big vacuum cleaner sucking up the good athletes from all over the county with promises of futures. What I like about MD is that they couple it with good academics. But they are piranha like
hanky1
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Reminds me of when LB Poly played ME for the first time ~20 years ago and everyone thought Poly would steamroll MD but MD won
bonsallbear
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OdontoBear66 said:

bonsallbear said:

But they don't recruit like IMG
Close, just not as blatant. If you live anywhere near Orange County you know there is a big vacuum cleaner sucking up the good athletes from all over the county with promises of futures. What I like about MD is that they couple it with good academics. But they are piranha like
I haven't studied IMGs roster but while watching the game I heard they have a player from Massachusetts and a kicker from Germany. I'd say that a far cry from a county recruiting area
bonsallbear
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OdontoBear66 said:

bonsallbear said:

But they don't recruit like IMG
Close, just not as blatant. If you live anywhere near Orange County you know there is a big vacuum cleaner sucking up the good athletes from all over the county with promises of futures. What I like about MD is that they couple it with good academics. But they are piranha like
And if what you say is true,how do you account for St John bosco who is ranked second in the nation.
OdontoBear66
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bonsallbear said:

OdontoBear66 said:

bonsallbear said:

But they don't recruit like IMG
Close, just not as blatant. If you live anywhere near Orange County you know there is a big vacuum cleaner sucking up the good athletes from all over the county with promises of futures. What I like about MD is that they couple it with good academics. But they are piranha like
And if what you say is true,how do you account for St John bosco who is ranked second in the nation.
Well, if I wanted to be technical I would say LA County (just east of Compton) but then Bosco has been very good of late, but not for the last 30 years like MD in almost every sport---you name it from tennis to soccer to BB to FB to Water Polo---MD recruits the hell outta the OC.
Another Bear
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I went to MD. Back in the day, it was all home grown talent with a few transfers (ex: Dotterer from Furd). There was a "system" of sorts, coaches had an idea who would play the skill positions by sophomore year and who would play the line (size, like duh). These guys were then developed, given support and yes, social standing.

With the current big influx of transfers, I"m not sure what is going on. That is a change and I'm not sure if the CIF rules have changed. It use to be difficult, required a physical residency change, or proof...but it might not apply to private schools, which of course is an advantage. My guess is parents want any advantage to get their kid exposure. But man, driving a 2 hr commute in LA traffic for HS just sounds terrible, and wrong.

Beyond that, open recruiting is difficult and can be traced, so to speak. OTOH, there wasn't 7 on 7 travel FB either until recently. No doubt there's communication among handlers but I think a coach or rep talking to a kid or parent is the 3rd rail, so to speak.

Any way, I didn't play FB but ran track, hung out with the smartasses and surfers. I was in Rollinson's homeroom/section and he was the sprint coach and I was a sprinter. He coached track for a few years before FB. I doubt he'd recruit but I also don't think he'd turn away talent that transferred.

When I think back, I wonder about what drove his success. What I remember was that he was fair and open, non-biased, everyone got a chance, if you weren't an idiot...but he still wouldn't hold that against you. This wasn't the case with 75% of coaches i've experienced. You got tagged with a reputation and that was it. The other thing, he was a total gamer/go for it guy. When he got fired up, he got a crazy look in his eyes and it was infectious.

I never heard one of his famous speeches but I understand the charisma factor. He was also the AP history teacher and was really in it and war strategy. I'm guessing he used that as model to rally the troops so to speak.
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From an OC Register article on Mater Dei: "Replacing him in the Mater Dei lineup is junior transfer and USC-committed Bryce Young (6-0, 175) who was All-CIF last season at Cathedral High of Los Angeles where he passed for 3,431 yards and 41 touchdowns."

For those who do not know, Cathedral High is right next to Dodger Stadium in downtown Los Angeles. It is a nearly 2 hr drive to Mater Dei in Santa Ana (Orange County) on a typical weekday morning/evening.

The fact he was All-CIF at Cathedral, already committed to USC, makes the whole thing very fishy.
Goobear
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OdontoBear66 said:

bonsallbear said:

OdontoBear66 said:

bonsallbear said:

But they don't recruit like IMG
Close, just not as blatant. If you live anywhere near Orange County you know there is a big vacuum cleaner sucking up the good athletes from all over the county with promises of futures. What I like about MD is that they couple it with good academics. But they are piranha like
And if what you say is true,how do you account for St John bosco who is ranked second in the nation.
Well, if I wanted to be technical I would say LA County (just east of Compton) but then Bosco has been very good of late, but not for the last 30 years like MD in almost every sport---you name it from tennis to soccer to BB to FB to Water Polo---MD recruits the hell outta the OC.
As I said. Kids want to go there. If you call that recruiting that is your prerogative.....
Johnny bear
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I recall reading in the L.A. Times that MD has 70 transfers. They have 10 football coaches--how many coaches are on staff at a typical public high school in California?
BearGoggles
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Goobear - to suggest that MD doesn't "need to recruit" (your words) which implies that they don't ACTIVELY recruit, is just silly.

They are not alone in recruiting in the Trinity league or elsewhere. And from what I understand, IMG is basically a sports finishing school with barely any academics.

Here is a link that will show you who has transferred to Mater Dei in the last few years. If you search by school, there are some very prominent names on there for football and basketball.

https://cifss.org/approvals/transfers/


bonsallbear
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OdontoBear66 said:

bonsallbear said:

OdontoBear66 said:

bonsallbear said:

RBut they don't recruit like IMG
Close, just not as blatant. If you live anywhere near Orange County you know there is a big vacuum cleaner sucking up the good athletes from all over the county with promises of futures. What I like about MD is that they couple it with good academics. But they are piranha like
And if what you say is true,how do you account for St John bosco who is ranked second in the nation.
Well, if I wanted to be technical I would say LA County (just east of Compton) but then Bosco has been very good of late, but not for the last 30 years like MD in almost every sport---you name it from tennis to soccer to BB to FB to Water Polo---MD recruits the hell outta the OC.
I'm talking about the here and now. Apparently not all want to go to MD
Larno
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This is the last time that any California school will play IMG in any sport. The CIF passed a law that a California school cannot play any team that is not eligible for their own state's playoffs. Like IMG, which cannot compete in the Florida playoffs. Where this really hits is in basketball as many of the big academy schools in other states won't be able to play against the top California schools in tournaments. I don't know when this will take effect. In an interview with Mater Dei coach Rollinson he said that they were looking for a 10th game this year and decided to contact IMG while they still could.
Big C
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bonsallbear said:

OdontoBear66 said:

bonsallbear said:

OdontoBear66 said:

bonsallbear said:

RBut they don't recruit like IMG
Close, just not as blatant. If you live anywhere near Orange County you know there is a big vacuum cleaner sucking up the good athletes from all over the county with promises of futures. What I like about MD is that they couple it with good academics. But they are piranha like
And if what you say is true,how do you account for St John bosco who is ranked second in the nation.
Well, if I wanted to be technical I would say LA County (just east of Compton) but then Bosco has been very good of late, but not for the last 30 years like MD in almost every sport---you name it from tennis to soccer to BB to FB to Water Polo---MD recruits the hell outta the OC.
I'm talking about the here and now. Apparently not all want to go to MD
Nobody is saying that Mater Dei is the ONLY school that "attracts" top athletes. They're just identifying it as one of the best at doing so.

Heck, look at De la Salle up here: Do top football players want to go there? Sure. Is DLS probably "on the lookout" for potential athletes and do they perhaps make second-or-third-hand overtures to said? No doubt.

Doesn't make DLS or MD 'the bad guy": It is what it is.
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random but whatever happened to Nygel Edmonds, 4 star corner we signed in 2016 from Tennessee?
Goobear
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BearGoggles said:

Goobear - to suggest that MD doesn't "need to recruit" (your words) which implies that they don't ACTIVELY recruit, is just silly.

They are not alone in recruiting in the Trinity league or elsewhere. And from what I understand, IMG is basically a sports finishing school with barely any academics.

Here is a link that will show you who has transferred to Mater Dei in the last few years. If you search by school, there are some very prominent names on there for football and basketball.

https://cifss.org/approvals/transfers/



Because the kids want to play there....Actually know of another family whose kid wants to transfer and play there. They came to the game to check it out. What you don't know of MD is there are 3rd and 4th generation families from all walks of life coming to the game. It is a family atmosphere. We sit next to a couple who have been going to the game for 25+ years. The families who do not know MD and then go to check it out at a game or campus can feel there is something special. The majority is not rich families. It is genuine. So yes players want to measure themselves athletically may transfer but freshmen come in because of both. Transferring is not the same as being recruited.

By the way Mission Viejo a public high school has certain "programs" at school that allow out of area players to attend. How do you think Keyshawn Johnson's kid wound up there a few years back?

Anyway CIF could do something about transferring. I am not sure if that would help that much because then maybe kids go to big schools as freshmen....

MD is not perfect by any means but our experience with our kid was fantastic.

Goobear
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Coach Rollo

https://twitter.com/MaxPreps/status/1043384774579040256/video/1
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Goobear said:

BearGoggles said:

Goobear - to suggest that MD doesn't "need to recruit" (your words) which implies that they don't ACTIVELY recruit, is just silly.

They are not alone in recruiting in the Trinity league or elsewhere. And from what I understand, IMG is basically a sports finishing school with barely any academics.

Here is a link that will show you who has transferred to Mater Dei in the last few years. If you search by school, there are some very prominent names on there for football and basketball.

https://cifss.org/approvals/transfers/



Because the kids want to play there....Actually know of another family whose kid wants to transfer and play there. They came to the game to check it out. What you don't know of MD is there are 3rd and 4th generation families from all walks of life coming to the game. It is a family atmosphere. We sit next to a couple who have been going to the game for 25+ years. The families who do not know MD and then go to check it out at a game or campus can feel there is something special. The majority is not rich families. It is genuine. So yes players want to measure themselves athletically may transfer but freshmen come in because of both. Transferring is not the same as being recruited.

By the way Mission Viejo a public high school has certain "programs" at school that allow out of area players to attend. How do you think Keyshawn Johnson's kid wound up there a few years back?

Anyway CIF could do something about transferring. I am not sure if that would help that much because then maybe kids go to big schools as freshmen....

MD is not perfect by any means but our experience with our kid was fantastic.


Mater Dei's tuition is $17K a year, so I would think most "normal" kids (i.e., non 4 and 5 star athletes) come from affluent families. I would imagine Mater Dei also gives scholarships to good athletes to entice them to come.

Growing up in OC, I always equated Mater Dei with USC. Lots of rich, legacy families make up the majority of the student body, with good athletes sprinkled in who are on scholarship.
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MD use to be affordable and they gave a multi-kid discount. It jumped up in the mid late 80s. Before that, we're talking $500-$600 a kid. Believe I wouldn't go today...heck I didn't even want to go back then. But hey, at least I didn't go to Servite like my brother. He lasted two years and left. The presence of women/girls tend to make boys less of jackasses.

re: the U$C thing...Rollinson was a schollie player at U$C. So that's a connection. He also is a MD alum. He was a DB, super fast. The story he told, first game, first play, on special teams. He was a gunner. Ran down the field like a banchee blew out his knee and was never the same but got his degree.

It's odd but there was never a Catholic university in SoCal that was good in FB like St. Mary's, Santa Clara or USF back in the day. There's a good handful of Catholic schools that could have fed them forever. Without that, it left U$C and UCLA. Also there's Pat Haden and JK McKay, both Bishop Amat alum playing for John McKay at U$C.
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Goobear said:

BearGoggles said:

Goobear - to suggest that MD doesn't "need to recruit" (your words) which implies that they don't ACTIVELY recruit, is just silly.

They are not alone in recruiting in the Trinity league or elsewhere. And from what I understand, IMG is basically a sports finishing school with barely any academics.

Here is a link that will show you who has transferred to Mater Dei in the last few years. If you search by school, there are some very prominent names on there for football and basketball.

https://cifss.org/approvals/transfers/



Because the kids want to play there....Actually know of another family whose kid wants to transfer and play there. They came to the game to check it out. What you don't know of MD is there are 3rd and 4th generation families from all walks of life coming to the game. It is a family atmosphere. We sit next to a couple who have been going to the game for 25+ years. The families who do not know MD and then go to check it out at a game or campus can feel there is something special. The majority is not rich families. It is genuine. So yes players want to measure themselves athletically may transfer but freshmen come in because of both. Transferring is not the same as being recruited.

By the way Mission Viejo a public high school has certain "programs" at school that allow out of area players to attend. How do you think Keyshawn Johnson's kid wound up there a few years back?

Anyway CIF could do something about transferring. I am not sure if that would help that much because then maybe kids go to big schools as freshmen....

MD is not perfect by any means but our experience with our kid was fantastic.


You're making a lot of assumptions about what I know. I've lived in OC for 45+ years, had many contemporaries who attended MD, and know MANY families who currently or recently sent their children there, include multi-generational families. This includes some of our closest family friends and some very prominent MD families.

I'm not referring to that group who enroll their children at MD as freshman. I'm referring to the noticeable uptick in transfer students - particularly juniors and seniors - who are already established "stars" at their high schools. High schools that are in Riverside/San Bernardino and LA - a huge distance from MD. MD football was in the crapper a few years back and then the transfer policy (and more active recruiting) changed markedly.

Some of this is a snowball effect. If you have JT Daniels as your qb, other kids will follow. But at least Daniels enrolled as a "freshman" - more discussion on that below.

Mission Viejo also recruits from what I understand. My guess is MV is the best football option for students who can't afford MD. And guess what? They are pretty much the only public school that can compete in football with MD and other privates. What does that tell you?

You're letting your affinity for MD blind you to some pretty obvious facts.

PS - another seldom discussed facts is that MD's academics offer lots of options. There are multiple tracks, some of which are pretty high caliber and others of which are, shall we say, friendly to athletes. In any event, the academic level (i.e., competition among top students, AP classes, test scores, etc.) at MD, even at the high level, is below many of the better public schools in OC (for example any Irvine School District High School).

PPS - Can we please stop those claiming that JT Daniels graduated MD early? Daniels took a redshirt 8th grade - SOLELY for football reasons, which speaks volumes about priorities (god forbid he not play varsity as a freshman). He played 3 full years of HS football, mostly as the starter - more experience than the vast majority of high school quarterbacks. He graduated MD on time and is now the year/age/class he should be.
Big C
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Every established high school program does some sort of subtle "recruiting". It is not uncommon for families to move into a different public school attendance area before their kid enters high school. Just as an example, Desmond Bishop's family moved from SF to Fairfield after his eigth grade year.

Of course, it's a lot easier for private schools, since the family doesn't have to live right there, but a lot of families are also attracted to a good program at a public school, given the lack of tuition. And sometimes they have the flexibility to choose a high school within the district.
Goobear
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BearGoggles said:

Goobear said:

BearGoggles said:

Goobear - to suggest that MD doesn't "need to recruit" (your words) which implies that they don't ACTIVELY recruit, is just silly.

They are not alone in recruiting in the Trinity league or elsewhere. And from what I understand, IMG is basically a sports finishing school with barely any academics.

Here is a link that will show you who has transferred to Mater Dei in the last few years. If you search by school, there are some very prominent names on there for football and basketball.

https://cifss.org/approvals/transfers/



Because the kids want to play there....Actually know of another family whose kid wants to transfer and play there. They came to the game to check it out. What you don't know of MD is there are 3rd and 4th generation families from all walks of life coming to the game. It is a family atmosphere. We sit next to a couple who have been going to the game for 25+ years. The families who do not know MD and then go to check it out at a game or campus can feel there is something special. The majority is not rich families. It is genuine. So yes players want to measure themselves athletically may transfer but freshmen come in because of both. Transferring is not the same as being recruited.

By the way Mission Viejo a public high school has certain "programs" at school that allow out of area players to attend. How do you think Keyshawn Johnson's kid wound up there a few years back?

Anyway CIF could do something about transferring. I am not sure if that would help that much because then maybe kids go to big schools as freshmen....

MD is not perfect by any means but our experience with our kid was fantastic.


You're making a lot of assumptions about what I know. I've lived in OC for 45+ years, had many contemporaries who attended MD, and know MANY families who currently or recently sent their children there, include multi-generational families. This includes some of our closest family friends and some very prominent MD families.

I'm not referring to that group who enroll their children at MD as freshman. I'm referring to the noticeable uptick in transfer students - particularly juniors and seniors - who are already established "stars" at their high schools. High schools that are in Riverside/San Bernardino and LA - a huge distance from MD. MD football was in the crapper a few years back and then the transfer policy (and more active recruiting) changed markedly.

Some of this is a snowball effect. If you have JT Daniels as your qb, other kids will follow. But at least Daniels enrolled as a "freshman" - more discussion on that below.

Mission Viejo also recruits from what I understand. My guess is MV is the best football option for students who can't afford MD. And guess what? They are pretty much the only public school that can compete in football with MD and other privates. What does that tell you?

You're letting your affinity for MD blind you to some pretty obvious facts.

PS - another seldom discussed facts is that MD's academics offer lots of options. There are multiple tracks, some of which are pretty high caliber and others of which are, shall we say, friendly to athletes. In any event, the academic level (i.e., competition among top students, AP classes, test scores, etc.) at MD, even at the high level, is below many of the better public schools in OC (for example any Irvine School District High School).

PPS - Can we please stop those claiming that JT Daniels graduated MD early? Daniels took a redshirt 8th grade - SOLELY for football reasons, which speaks volumes about priorities (god forbid he not play varsity as a freshman). He played 3 full years of HS football, mostly as the starter - more experience than the vast majority of high school quarterbacks. He graduated MD on time and is now the year/age/class he should be.
BearGoggles...

The term "you" was not directed at you personally. My apologies. Other than that transfers seems to be your issue. That is not the same as recruiting.

I am here to support the Bears so Go Bears. I am out of this conversation.
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