Newsflash- MD absolutely recruits and gets a plethora of transfers. I mean they are blatant!! Anybody that follows just a little knows that.Goobear said:
Yes I was there with better half and friends to support the Monarchs.
IMG looked bigger but were very cocky and on the dirty side. 3 IMG layers got kicked off the field by the refs. In the second half you could see that the conditioning of MD was paying benefits. Close until the end but in the last drive MD scored and won 28-24.
Stand out players were 2 running backs at IMG no. 6 and 7. At MD Bru McCoy was the man. Bryce Young the QB was very good and calm cool and collected. Shakobe Harper is the MD RB next to Dollars. Shakobe was very impressive. I wonder if Cal is looking at him. The MD defense was stout enough to slow IMG down but could not stop the running game. Saw Nimmo out there make some plays.
Our Monarchs won. The place was sold out. Tickets were oversold and folks were watching the game at places I had not seen before.
Cal should be all over MD. Wilcox and Rollo are cut from the same cloth except their voices....
Mater Dei doesn't need to recruit. Kids want to come play there. Always been that way. The kids want to see if they can make it there and win. If they were not winning much they may need to. Like some schools in the Trinity League. It's nice to make statements about MD. But unless one had/have kids going there and play football there how would you know? Sat in stands last night at the visitor section for last night. The main vibe was IMG will steamroll MD. Look what happened? In other words perception is not reality.
Go Bears!
Goobear said:
Indeed NYC....By the way when are you coming to a game and I can shake your hand?
This isn't Utah.NYCGOBEARS said:Goobear said:
Indeed NYC....By the way when are you coming to a game and I can shake your hand?
I'd love to meet you goo. I was at the UNC game. I saw a women wearing a t-shirt that said "Addi Ooms". Your wife perhaps?
Has there ever been a successful private school athletic program that wasn't accused (or guilty) of recruiting? Hell, even some public schools draw a suspicious stream of transfers.Goobear said:
Yes I was there with better half and friends to support the Monarchs.
IMG looked bigger but were very cocky and on the dirty side. 3 IMG layers got kicked off the field by the refs. In the second half you could see that the conditioning of MD was paying benefits. Close until the end but in the last drive MD scored and won 28-24.
Stand out players were 2 running backs at IMG no. 6 and 7. At MD Bru McCoy was the man. Bryce Young the QB was very good and calm cool and collected. Shakobe Harper is the MD RB next to Dollars. Shakobe was very impressive. I wonder if Cal is looking at him. The MD defense was stout enough to slow IMG down but could not stop the running game. Saw Nimmo out there make some plays.
Our Monarchs won. The place was sold out. Tickets were oversold and folks were watching the game at places I had not seen before.
Cal should be all over MD. Wilcox and Rollo are cut from the same cloth except their voices....
Mater Dei doesn't need to recruit. Kids want to come play there. Always been that way. The kids want to see if they can make it there and win. If they were not winning much they may need to. Like some schools in the Trinity League. It's nice to make statements about MD. But unless one had/have kids going there and play football there how would you know? Sat in stands last night at the visitor section for last night. The main vibe was IMG will steamroll MD. Look what happened? In other words perception is not reality.
Go Bears!
Close, just not as blatant. If you live anywhere near Orange County you know there is a big vacuum cleaner sucking up the good athletes from all over the county with promises of futures. What I like about MD is that they couple it with good academics. But they are piranha likebonsallbear said:
But they don't recruit like IMG
I haven't studied IMGs roster but while watching the game I heard they have a player from Massachusetts and a kicker from Germany. I'd say that a far cry from a county recruiting areaOdontoBear66 said:Close, just not as blatant. If you live anywhere near Orange County you know there is a big vacuum cleaner sucking up the good athletes from all over the county with promises of futures. What I like about MD is that they couple it with good academics. But they are piranha likebonsallbear said:
But they don't recruit like IMG
And if what you say is true,how do you account for St John bosco who is ranked second in the nation.OdontoBear66 said:Close, just not as blatant. If you live anywhere near Orange County you know there is a big vacuum cleaner sucking up the good athletes from all over the county with promises of futures. What I like about MD is that they couple it with good academics. But they are piranha likebonsallbear said:
But they don't recruit like IMG
Well, if I wanted to be technical I would say LA County (just east of Compton) but then Bosco has been very good of late, but not for the last 30 years like MD in almost every sport---you name it from tennis to soccer to BB to FB to Water Polo---MD recruits the hell outta the OC.bonsallbear said:And if what you say is true,how do you account for St John bosco who is ranked second in the nation.OdontoBear66 said:Close, just not as blatant. If you live anywhere near Orange County you know there is a big vacuum cleaner sucking up the good athletes from all over the county with promises of futures. What I like about MD is that they couple it with good academics. But they are piranha likebonsallbear said:
But they don't recruit like IMG
As I said. Kids want to go there. If you call that recruiting that is your prerogative.....OdontoBear66 said:Well, if I wanted to be technical I would say LA County (just east of Compton) but then Bosco has been very good of late, but not for the last 30 years like MD in almost every sport---you name it from tennis to soccer to BB to FB to Water Polo---MD recruits the hell outta the OC.bonsallbear said:And if what you say is true,how do you account for St John bosco who is ranked second in the nation.OdontoBear66 said:Close, just not as blatant. If you live anywhere near Orange County you know there is a big vacuum cleaner sucking up the good athletes from all over the county with promises of futures. What I like about MD is that they couple it with good academics. But they are piranha likebonsallbear said:
But they don't recruit like IMG
I'm talking about the here and now. Apparently not all want to go to MDOdontoBear66 said:Well, if I wanted to be technical I would say LA County (just east of Compton) but then Bosco has been very good of late, but not for the last 30 years like MD in almost every sport---you name it from tennis to soccer to BB to FB to Water Polo---MD recruits the hell outta the OC.bonsallbear said:And if what you say is true,how do you account for St John bosco who is ranked second in the nation.OdontoBear66 said:Close, just not as blatant. If you live anywhere near Orange County you know there is a big vacuum cleaner sucking up the good athletes from all over the county with promises of futures. What I like about MD is that they couple it with good academics. But they are piranha likebonsallbear said:
RBut they don't recruit like IMG
Nobody is saying that Mater Dei is the ONLY school that "attracts" top athletes. They're just identifying it as one of the best at doing so.bonsallbear said:I'm talking about the here and now. Apparently not all want to go to MDOdontoBear66 said:Well, if I wanted to be technical I would say LA County (just east of Compton) but then Bosco has been very good of late, but not for the last 30 years like MD in almost every sport---you name it from tennis to soccer to BB to FB to Water Polo---MD recruits the hell outta the OC.bonsallbear said:And if what you say is true,how do you account for St John bosco who is ranked second in the nation.OdontoBear66 said:Close, just not as blatant. If you live anywhere near Orange County you know there is a big vacuum cleaner sucking up the good athletes from all over the county with promises of futures. What I like about MD is that they couple it with good academics. But they are piranha likebonsallbear said:
RBut they don't recruit like IMG
Because the kids want to play there....Actually know of another family whose kid wants to transfer and play there. They came to the game to check it out. What you don't know of MD is there are 3rd and 4th generation families from all walks of life coming to the game. It is a family atmosphere. We sit next to a couple who have been going to the game for 25+ years. The families who do not know MD and then go to check it out at a game or campus can feel there is something special. The majority is not rich families. It is genuine. So yes players want to measure themselves athletically may transfer but freshmen come in because of both. Transferring is not the same as being recruited.BearGoggles said:
Goobear - to suggest that MD doesn't "need to recruit" (your words) which implies that they don't ACTIVELY recruit, is just silly.
They are not alone in recruiting in the Trinity league or elsewhere. And from what I understand, IMG is basically a sports finishing school with barely any academics.
Here is a link that will show you who has transferred to Mater Dei in the last few years. If you search by school, there are some very prominent names on there for football and basketball.
https://cifss.org/approvals/transfers/
Mater Dei's tuition is $17K a year, so I would think most "normal" kids (i.e., non 4 and 5 star athletes) come from affluent families. I would imagine Mater Dei also gives scholarships to good athletes to entice them to come.Goobear said:Because the kids want to play there....Actually know of another family whose kid wants to transfer and play there. They came to the game to check it out. What you don't know of MD is there are 3rd and 4th generation families from all walks of life coming to the game. It is a family atmosphere. We sit next to a couple who have been going to the game for 25+ years. The families who do not know MD and then go to check it out at a game or campus can feel there is something special. The majority is not rich families. It is genuine. So yes players want to measure themselves athletically may transfer but freshmen come in because of both. Transferring is not the same as being recruited.BearGoggles said:
Goobear - to suggest that MD doesn't "need to recruit" (your words) which implies that they don't ACTIVELY recruit, is just silly.
They are not alone in recruiting in the Trinity league or elsewhere. And from what I understand, IMG is basically a sports finishing school with barely any academics.
Here is a link that will show you who has transferred to Mater Dei in the last few years. If you search by school, there are some very prominent names on there for football and basketball.
https://cifss.org/approvals/transfers/
By the way Mission Viejo a public high school has certain "programs" at school that allow out of area players to attend. How do you think Keyshawn Johnson's kid wound up there a few years back?
Anyway CIF could do something about transferring. I am not sure if that would help that much because then maybe kids go to big schools as freshmen....
MD is not perfect by any means but our experience with our kid was fantastic.
You're making a lot of assumptions about what I know. I've lived in OC for 45+ years, had many contemporaries who attended MD, and know MANY families who currently or recently sent their children there, include multi-generational families. This includes some of our closest family friends and some very prominent MD families.Goobear said:Because the kids want to play there....Actually know of another family whose kid wants to transfer and play there. They came to the game to check it out. What you don't know of MD is there are 3rd and 4th generation families from all walks of life coming to the game. It is a family atmosphere. We sit next to a couple who have been going to the game for 25+ years. The families who do not know MD and then go to check it out at a game or campus can feel there is something special. The majority is not rich families. It is genuine. So yes players want to measure themselves athletically may transfer but freshmen come in because of both. Transferring is not the same as being recruited.BearGoggles said:
Goobear - to suggest that MD doesn't "need to recruit" (your words) which implies that they don't ACTIVELY recruit, is just silly.
They are not alone in recruiting in the Trinity league or elsewhere. And from what I understand, IMG is basically a sports finishing school with barely any academics.
Here is a link that will show you who has transferred to Mater Dei in the last few years. If you search by school, there are some very prominent names on there for football and basketball.
https://cifss.org/approvals/transfers/
By the way Mission Viejo a public high school has certain "programs" at school that allow out of area players to attend. How do you think Keyshawn Johnson's kid wound up there a few years back?
Anyway CIF could do something about transferring. I am not sure if that would help that much because then maybe kids go to big schools as freshmen....
MD is not perfect by any means but our experience with our kid was fantastic.
BearGoggles...BearGoggles said:You're making a lot of assumptions about what I know. I've lived in OC for 45+ years, had many contemporaries who attended MD, and know MANY families who currently or recently sent their children there, include multi-generational families. This includes some of our closest family friends and some very prominent MD families.Goobear said:Because the kids want to play there....Actually know of another family whose kid wants to transfer and play there. They came to the game to check it out. What you don't know of MD is there are 3rd and 4th generation families from all walks of life coming to the game. It is a family atmosphere. We sit next to a couple who have been going to the game for 25+ years. The families who do not know MD and then go to check it out at a game or campus can feel there is something special. The majority is not rich families. It is genuine. So yes players want to measure themselves athletically may transfer but freshmen come in because of both. Transferring is not the same as being recruited.BearGoggles said:
Goobear - to suggest that MD doesn't "need to recruit" (your words) which implies that they don't ACTIVELY recruit, is just silly.
They are not alone in recruiting in the Trinity league or elsewhere. And from what I understand, IMG is basically a sports finishing school with barely any academics.
Here is a link that will show you who has transferred to Mater Dei in the last few years. If you search by school, there are some very prominent names on there for football and basketball.
https://cifss.org/approvals/transfers/
By the way Mission Viejo a public high school has certain "programs" at school that allow out of area players to attend. How do you think Keyshawn Johnson's kid wound up there a few years back?
Anyway CIF could do something about transferring. I am not sure if that would help that much because then maybe kids go to big schools as freshmen....
MD is not perfect by any means but our experience with our kid was fantastic.
I'm not referring to that group who enroll their children at MD as freshman. I'm referring to the noticeable uptick in transfer students - particularly juniors and seniors - who are already established "stars" at their high schools. High schools that are in Riverside/San Bernardino and LA - a huge distance from MD. MD football was in the crapper a few years back and then the transfer policy (and more active recruiting) changed markedly.
Some of this is a snowball effect. If you have JT Daniels as your qb, other kids will follow. But at least Daniels enrolled as a "freshman" - more discussion on that below.
Mission Viejo also recruits from what I understand. My guess is MV is the best football option for students who can't afford MD. And guess what? They are pretty much the only public school that can compete in football with MD and other privates. What does that tell you?
You're letting your affinity for MD blind you to some pretty obvious facts.
PS - another seldom discussed facts is that MD's academics offer lots of options. There are multiple tracks, some of which are pretty high caliber and others of which are, shall we say, friendly to athletes. In any event, the academic level (i.e., competition among top students, AP classes, test scores, etc.) at MD, even at the high level, is below many of the better public schools in OC (for example any Irvine School District High School).
PPS - Can we please stop those claiming that JT Daniels graduated MD early? Daniels took a redshirt 8th grade - SOLELY for football reasons, which speaks volumes about priorities (god forbid he not play varsity as a freshman). He played 3 full years of HS football, mostly as the starter - more experience than the vast majority of high school quarterbacks. He graduated MD on time and is now the year/age/class he should be.
