Am I the only one at the game yesterday who concluded that the students gave up after they seemed unable or unwilling do the first stunt correctly? (Or was the stunt hacked by Russia? Hmm.) In spite of the fact the concept of card stunts at football games originated at Cal, the recent execution has been inexcusably awful. This is not rocket science folks. It's painfully simple: unless students in the card stunt section can sit over a number when cards are to be held up the stunts will continue to be for the most part indecipherable. The unfortunate thing is that Rally Committee members who create the stunts spend lots of time designing the images that could, if implemented correctly, be very entertaining. So Rally Committee, save yourselves some unappreciated time and save the rest of us from any more embarrassment. Thanks and Go Bears!

PS: Did I miss the Bear Territory chant?

I know, it's sad. It became a tradition to toss the cards after the 80th move. That was ok but I worried about eye injury. Now it seems to occur after the first stunt.

That's 2010, please give context

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The amalgam of copious quantities of alcohol & full-frontal mid-afternoon sunshine turns the easiest of tasks into rocket science.

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The amalgam of copious quantities of alcohol & full-frontal mid-afternoon sunshine turns the easiest of tasks into rocket science.

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Am I the only one at the game yesterday who concluded that the students gave up after they seemed unable or unwilling do the first stunt correctly? (Or was the stunt hacked by Russia? Hmm.) In spite of the fact the concept of card stunts at football games originated at Cal, the recent execution has been inexcusably awful. This is not rocket science folks. It's painfully simple: unless students in the card stunt section can sit over a number when cards are to be held up the stunts will continue to be for the most part indecipherable. The unfortunate thing is that members of the Rally Committee who create the stunts spend lot of time designing the images that could, if implemented correctly, be very entertaining. So Rally Committee, save yourselves some unappreciated time and save the rest of us from any more embarrassment. Thanks and Go Bears!

PS: Did I miss the Bear Territory chant?

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I completely agree. The card stunts haven't been decipherable in many years. The students just don't seem to care, and it would be better to discontinue them than to prolong the embarrassment that they have become.

Gawd what a bunch of unhappy people.

Just keep the card stunts simple and you should be fine.

This one for the Oregon game in 2010 is fantastic (and not that long ago).



Clearly the section needs to be packed. If it's not then it probably makes sense not to do them.

Cal can't win. People ***** and moan about our lack of holding onto traditions, and here we go just wanting to discard one of the greatest traditions in college sports that by the way we started.

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Am I the only one at the game yesterday who concluded that the students gave up after they seemed unable or unwilling do the first stunt correctly? (Or was the stunt hacked by Russia? Hmm.) In spite of the fact the concept of card stunts at football games originated at Cal, the recent execution has been inexcusably awful. This is not rocket science folks. It's painfully simple: unless students in the card stunt section can sit over a number when cards are to be held up the stunts will continue to be for the most part indecipherable. The unfortunate thing is that members of the Rally Committee who create the stunts spend lot of time designing the images that could, if implemented correctly, be very entertaining. So Rally Committee, save yourselves some unappreciated time and save the rest of us from any more embarrassment. Thanks and Go Bears!

PS: Did I miss the Bear Territory chant?

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I completely agree. The card stunts haven't been decipherable in many years. The students just don't seem to care, and it would be better to discontinue them than to prolong the embarrassment that they have become.

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Hear me out: we don't need card stunts at EVERY GAME. just because a computer can lay them out doesn't mean a increase in frequency is required.

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Clearly the section needs to be packed. If it's not then it probably makes sense not to do them.

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Cal vs Oregon is a good example of when to do them. UCLA, Furd and USC are the other games. Add in an A level OOC when they come to town.

I mean, Davis is a predictable low energy low attendance game. Easy to cut the stunt.

First iPhone debuted on June 29, 2007. The count down to the death of Cal's card stunt began that day. The iPhone has already killed the tradition of rolling students up, though that wasn't a big loss for me

Is here a Rally Committee card stunt member out there who could help us out here? Thanks.

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Am I the only one at the game yesterday who concluded that the students gave up after they seemed unable or unwilling do the first stunt correctly? (Or was the stunt hacked by Russia? Hmm.) In spite of the fact the concept of card stunts at football games originated at Cal, the recent execution has been inexcusably awful. This is not rocket science folks. It's painfully simple: unless students in the card stunt section can sit over a number when cards are to be held up the stunts will continue to be for the most part indecipherable. The unfortunate thing is that members of the Rally Committee who create the stunts spend lot of time designing the images that could, if implemented correctly, be very entertaining. So Rally Committee, save yourselves some unappreciated time and save the rest of us from any more embarrassment. Thanks and Go Bears!

PS: Did I miss the Bear Territory chant?

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I completely agree. The card stunts haven't been decipherable in many years. The students just don't seem to care, and it would be better to discontinue them than to prolong the embarrassment that they have become.

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Hear me out: we don't need card stunts at EVERY GAME. just because a computer can lay them out doesn't mean a increase in frequency is required.

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I have to say, I completely agree.

Back in the day, card stunts were much rarer. And when you saw cards on the chair, it was "oh cool, card stunts today"

But if you do it every single game, the novelty completely wears off

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Gawd what a bunch of unhappy people.

Just keep the card stunts simple and you should be fine.

This one for the Oregon game in 2010 is fantastic (and not that long ago).



Clearly the section needs to be packed. If it's not then it probably makes sense not to do them.

Cal can't win. People ***** and moan about our lack of holding onto traditions, and here we go just wanting to discard one of the greatest traditions in college sports that by the way we started.

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well gosh darned hold it up ! It's looking forlorn

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First iPhone debuted on June 29, 2007. The count down to the death of Cal's card stunt began that day. The iPhone has already killed the tradition of rolling students up, though that wasn't a big loss for me

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wait, you can't be suggesting rolling up students isn't a good thing? I found it cathartic

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First iPhone debuted on June 29, 2007. The count down to the death of Cal's card stunt began that day. The iPhone has already killed the tradition of rolling students up, though that wasn't a big loss for me

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wait, you can't be suggesting rolling up students isn't a good thing? I found it cathartic

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Oh no, I liked seeing students get rolled up and miss that it's gone. I just don't miss it as much as reasonably well-done card stunts, which I came to think of as a basic part of the home game experience (though I had somehow forgotten or didn't know that it was once only deployed occasionally).

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First iPhone debuted on June 29, 2007. The count down to the death of Cal's card stunt began that day. The iPhone has already killed the tradition of rolling students up, though that wasn't a big loss for me

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wait, you can't be suggesting rolling up students isn't a good thing? I found it cathartic

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Oh no, I liked seeing students get rolled up and miss that it's gone. I just don't miss it as much as reasonably well-done card stunts, which I came to think of as a basic part of the home game experience (though I had somehow forgotten or didn't know that it was once only deployed occasionally).

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card stunts have been a fail for years so just count on the body roll up. Sadly, some years we couldn't even fill the stands to do the stunts .

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Am I the only one at the game yesterday who concluded that the students gave up after they seemed unable or unwilling do the first stunt correctly? (Or was the stunt hacked by Russia? Hmm.) In spite of the fact the concept of card stunts at football games originated at Cal, the recent execution has been inexcusably awful. This is not rocket science folks. It's painfully simple: unless students in the card stunt section can sit over a number when cards are to be held up the stunts will continue to be for the most part indecipherable. The unfortunate thing is that members of the Rally Committee who create the stunts spend lot of time designing the images that could, if implemented correctly, be very entertaining. So Rally Committee, save yourselves some unappreciated time and save the rest of us from any more embarrassment. Thanks and Go Bears!

PS: Did I miss the Bear Territory chant?

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I completely agree. The card stunts haven't been decipherable in many years. The students just don't seem to care, and it would be better to discontinue them than to prolong the embarrassment that they have become.

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Hear me out: we don't need card stunts at EVERY GAME. just because a computer can lay them out doesn't mean a increase in frequency is required.

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I have to say, I completely agree.

Back in the day, card stunts were much rarer. And when you saw cards on the chair, it was "oh cool, card stunts today"

But if you do it every single game, the novelty completely wears off

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Don't know what "the day" is for you, but during my years at Cal we did card stunts for every home game. Students took it seriously, and the card stunts were damn good.

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Golden One said:

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Am I the only one at the game yesterday who concluded that the students gave up after they seemed unable or unwilling do the first stunt correctly? (Or was the stunt hacked by Russia? Hmm.) In spite of the fact the concept of card stunts at football games originated at Cal, the recent execution has been inexcusably awful. This is not rocket science folks. It's painfully simple: unless students in the card stunt section can sit over a number when cards are to be held up the stunts will continue to be for the most part indecipherable. The unfortunate thing is that members of the Rally Committee who create the stunts spend lot of time designing the images that could, if implemented correctly, be very entertaining. So Rally Committee, save yourselves some unappreciated time and save the rest of us from any more embarrassment. Thanks and Go Bears!

PS: Did I miss the Bear Territory chant?

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I completely agree. The card stunts haven't been decipherable in many years. The students just don't seem to care, and it would be better to discontinue them than to prolong the embarrassment that they have become.

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Hear me out: we don't need card stunts at EVERY GAME. just because a computer can lay them out doesn't mean a increase in frequency is required.

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I have to say, I completely agree.

Back in the day, card stunts were much rarer. And when you saw cards on the chair, it was "oh cool, card stunts today"

But if you do it every single game, the novelty completely wears off

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Don't know what "the day" is for you, but during my years at Cal we did card stunts for every home game. Students took it seriously, and the card stunts were damn good.

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what decade was this?

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Am I the only one at the game yesterday who concluded that the students gave up after they seemed unable or unwilling do the first stunt correctly? (Or was the stunt hacked by Russia? Hmm.) In spite of the fact the concept of card stunts at football games originated at Cal, the recent execution has been inexcusably awful. This is not rocket science folks. It's painfully simple: unless students in the card stunt section can sit over a number when cards are to be held up the stunts will continue to be for the most part indecipherable. The unfortunate thing is that members of the Rally Committee who create the stunts spend lot of time designing the images that could, if implemented correctly, be very entertaining. So Rally Committee, save yourselves some unappreciated time and save the rest of us from any more embarrassment. Thanks and Go Bears!

PS: Did I miss the Bear Territory chant?

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I completely agree. The card stunts haven't been decipherable in many years. The students just don't seem to care, and it would be better to discontinue them than to prolong the embarrassment that they have become.

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Hear me out: we don't need card stunts at EVERY GAME. just because a computer can lay them out doesn't mean a increase in frequency is required.

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I have to say, I completely agree.

Back in the day, card stunts were much rarer. And when you saw cards on the chair, it was "oh cool, card stunts today"

But if you do it every single game, the novelty completely wears off

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Don't know what "the day" is for you, but during my years at Cal we did card stunts for every home game. Students took it seriously, and the card stunts were damn good.

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You're absolutely right on every count. During the Golden 50s, my days at Cal, the card section was "men only" and we couldn't sit in the section without wearing a white shirt.

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Am I the only one at the game yesterday who concluded that the students gave up after they seemed unable or unwilling do the first stunt correctly? (Or was the stunt hacked by Russia? Hmm.) In spite of the fact the concept of card stunts at football games originated at Cal, the recent execution has been inexcusably awful. This is not rocket science folks. It's painfully simple: unless students in the card stunt section can sit over a number when cards are to be held up the stunts will continue to be for the most part indecipherable. The unfortunate thing is that members of the Rally Committee who create the stunts spend lot of time designing the images that could, if implemented correctly, be very entertaining. So Rally Committee, save yourselves some unappreciated time and save the rest of us from any more embarrassment. Thanks and Go Bears!

PS: Did I miss the Bear Territory chant?

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I completely agree. The card stunts haven't been decipherable in many years. The students just don't seem to care, and it would be better to discontinue them than to prolong the embarrassment that they have become.

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Hear me out: we don't need card stunts at EVERY GAME. just because a computer can lay them out doesn't mean a increase in frequency is required.

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I have to say, I completely agree.

Back in the day, card stunts were much rarer. And when you saw cards on the chair, it was "oh cool, card stunts today"

But if you do it every single game, the novelty completely wears off

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Don't know what "the day" is for you, but during my years at Cal we did card stunts for every home game. Students took it seriously, and the card stunts were damn good.

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Agree. So good that they would draw applause from the Alumni across the field

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Am I the only one at the game yesterday who concluded that the students gave up after they seemed unable or unwilling do the first stunt correctly? (Or was the stunt hacked by Russia? Hmm.) In spite of the fact the concept of card stunts at football games originated at Cal, the recent execution has been inexcusably awful. This is not rocket science folks. It's painfully simple: unless students in the card stunt section can sit over a number when cards are to be held up the stunts will continue to be for the most part indecipherable. The unfortunate thing is that members of the Rally Committee who create the stunts spend lot of time designing the images that could, if implemented correctly, be very entertaining. So Rally Committee, save yourselves some unappreciated time and save the rest of us from any more embarrassment. Thanks and Go Bears!

PS: Did I miss the Bear Territory chant?

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I completely agree. The card stunts haven't been decipherable in many years. The students just don't seem to care, and it would be better to discontinue them than to prolong the embarrassment that they have become.

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Hear me out: we don't need card stunts at EVERY GAME. just because a computer can lay them out doesn't mean a increase in frequency is required.

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I have to say, I completely agree.

Back in the day, card stunts were much rarer. And when you saw cards on the chair, it was "oh cool, card stunts today"

But if you do it every single game, the novelty completely wears off

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Don't know what "the day" is for you, but during my years at Cal we did card stunts for every home game. Students took it seriously, and the card stunts were damn good.

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You're absolutely right on every count. During the Golden 50s, my days at Cal, the card section was "men only" and we couldn't sit in the section without wearing a white shirt.

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The student section was no longer all men beginning in1959.
The card stunts were pretty darned good in the 1960s and 1970s.

First game of the season with the section filled mostly by freshman, and you are surprised that the card stunts looked bad?

I'm not shocked at all, and I'm confident they'll get better too. It's a student tradition and I'm shocked to see people whining and telling students to stop a tradition. Almost every time a tradition ends this place erupts in hellfire and brimstone.

What they had on the cards was just as simple as it has been for the past decade, it's just that in past years advanced warning and explanation about the cards (what are they for, how do they work, don't just move them or shuffle them up, ect) was given on the mic prior to half time. That did not happen this game (seats are in TT so I can hear these things).

In general this is a reproduction of a general problem with the student section regarding communication and building institutional memory because the MicMen do not teach the students the cheers, they don't explain how the game works for those who are new, and in this case the Rally Committee didn't do that either. They forget most of the people at the games will be new to this every year. They should act as if that is the case as well.

Most of the good MicMen were conversationalists that engaged their student section. Those of the past decade do not try to do that at all for lack of training and lack of opportunity because Athletics has them muzzled.

I was very impressed with the turnout in the student section for the first game. I hope that continues.

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Am I the only one at the game yesterday who concluded that the students gave up after they seemed unable or unwilling do the first stunt correctly? (Or was the stunt hacked by Russia? Hmm.) In spite of the fact the concept of card stunts at football games originated at Cal, the recent execution has been inexcusably awful. This is not rocket science folks. It's painfully simple: unless students in the card stunt section can sit over a number when cards are to be held up the stunts will continue to be for the most part indecipherable. The unfortunate thing is that Rally Committee members who create the stunts spend lots of time designing the images that could, if implemented correctly, be very entertaining. So Rally Committee, save yourselves some unappreciated time and save the rest of us from any more embarrassment. Thanks and Go Bears!

PS: Did I miss the Bear Territory chant?

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They did Bear Territory after everyone left, except Rally Comm and the Band.

I agree on card stunts. Do them once a year (Joe Roth game?) -- if it's a special event, maybe the students will focus a bit.

I do need to commend the student turnout on Saturday. Section was pretty full - if they'd been led in any cheers they probably would have been loud.

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Am I the only one at the game yesterday who concluded that the students gave up after they seemed unable or unwilling do the first stunt correctly? (Or was the stunt hacked by Russia? Hmm.) In spite of the fact the concept of card stunts at football games originated at Cal, the recent execution has been inexcusably awful. This is not rocket science folks. It's painfully simple: unless students in the card stunt section can sit over a number when cards are to be held up the stunts will continue to be for the most part indecipherable. The unfortunate thing is that Rally Committee members who create the stunts spend lots of time designing the images that could, if implemented correctly, be very entertaining. So Rally Committee, save yourselves some unappreciated time and save the rest of us from any more embarrassment. Thanks and Go Bears!

PS: Did I miss the Bear Territory chant?

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They did Bear Territory after everyone left, except Rally Comm and the Band.

I agree on card stunts. Do them once a year (Joe Roth game?) -- if it's a special event, maybe the students will focus a bit.

I do need to commend the student turnout on Saturday. Section was pretty full - if they'd been led in any cheers they probably would have been loud.

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Card stunts keep the tradition alive and most alumni appreciate it - i would agree that 2-3 times a season is fine. Great student turnout and important for the team and the vocal support. Their energy feeds the stadium. I for one like the piped in music, though it has been toned down in volume. the music gets the students amped and the players love it (several players have said so) hope the crowds can stay in the 45k plus range.

Among my many conversations with Cal Spirit stakeholders on Saturday, I spoke with the Claire, Rally Comm Exec Committee Chair. She & the UCRC recognize that fiatlux is correct. The section needs to be packed. They may experiment with having students from the the adjacent section temporarily move over to fill the card stunt section at the beginning of halftime to make the stunts clearer.

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Am I the only one at the game yesterday who concluded that the students gave up after they seemed unable or unwilling do the first stunt correctly? (Or was the stunt hacked by Russia? Hmm.) In spite of the fact the concept of card stunts at football games originated at Cal, the recent execution has been inexcusably awful. This is not rocket science folks. It's painfully simple: unless students in the card stunt section can sit over a number when cards are to be held up the stunts will continue to be for the most part indecipherable. The unfortunate thing is that members of the Rally Committee who create the stunts spend lot of time designing the images that could, if implemented correctly, be very entertaining. So Rally Committee, save yourselves some unappreciated time and save the rest of us from any more embarrassment. Thanks and Go Bears!

PS: Did I miss the Bear Territory chant?

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I completely agree. The card stunts haven't been decipherable in many years. The students just don't seem to care, and it would be better to discontinue them than to prolong the embarrassment that they have become.

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Hear me out: we don't need card stunts at EVERY GAME. just because a computer can lay them out doesn't mean a increase in frequency is required.

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I have to say, I completely agree.

Back in the day, card stunts were much rarer. And when you saw cards on the chair, it was "oh cool, card stunts today"

But if you do it every single game, the novelty completely wears off

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Don't know what "the day" is for you, but during my years at Cal we did card stunts for every home game. Students took it seriously, and the card stunts were damn good.

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First game of the season with the section filled mostly by freshman, and you are surprised that the card stunts looked bad?

I'm not shocked at all, and I'm confident they'll get better too.

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The card stunts have been terrible for at least the last ten years. It has nothing to do with the first game of the season.

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First game of the season with the section filled mostly by freshman, and you are surprised that the card stunts looked bad?

I'm not shocked at all, and I'm confident they'll get better too.

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The card stunts have been terrible for at least the last ten years. It has nothing to do with the first game of the season.

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What a coincidence, because 10 years ago is when we stopped winning. I was at Cal during the Tedford/ARod/Marshawn/DJax glory days and I remember the card stunts being just fine back then, thank you very much.

Someone upthread said that going forward, we should save the stunts for special events like the Joe Roth game, because students will be more "focused". I think when the team was a contender, the student section had that focus every game. Cal was actually in the hunt for big things every year and students knew they could play a role in that by giving us home-field advantage. Check out Cal vs. Oregon 2006 or Cal vs. Tennessee 2007 on YouTube and you'll see the difference.

I'm not saying this to pooh-pooh the discussion in this thread, or to suggest that we should just give up on improving the student section until Wilcox gives us multiple 10-win seasons. We should just be aware of what we're up against, like it or not - the ceiling imposed by the current state of the program.

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The card stunts have been terrible for at least the last ten years. It has nothing to do with the first game of the season.

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What a coincidence, because 10 years ago is when we stopped winning. I was at Cal during the Tedford/ARod/Marshawn/DJax glory days and I remember the card stunts being just fine back then, thank you very much.

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Maybe, but we were worse in the 60's than we are today, from a W/L perspective, and as I noted above, the card stunts were great in that decade, in spite of our record.

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Maybe, but we were worse in the 60's than we are today, from a W/L perspective, and as I noted above, the card stunts were great in that decade, in spite of our record.

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Sure, but back then, W/L didn't matter. People would still show up and do the card stunts regardless. That was a different era.

Now? You'd better win. Not just to get people to show up, but also to be "all in" on the card stunts.

Even winning doesn't guarantee an enthusiastic student section. Exhibit 1: Alabama, where by many reports they're just bored with winning. Exhibit 2: Furd, where they're just lame.

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You'd better win. Not just to get people to show up, but also to be "all in" on the card stunts.

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I accept that, and it's precisely why we should just give up on the card stunts. The status quo is just embarrassing.

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Gawd what a bunch of unhappy people.

Just keep the card stunts simple and you should be fine.

This one for the Oregon game in 2010 is fantastic (and not that long ago).



Clearly the section needs to be packed. If it's not then it probably makes sense not to do them.

Cal can't win. People ***** and moan about our lack of holding onto traditions, and here we go just wanting to discard one of the greatest traditions in college sports that by the way we started.

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Agreed! In my day (mid to late '70's) we had card stunts at every game (including the game played in L.A.!).

Having card stunts at only 2-3 games is a terrible idea. They are difficult, particularly the motion stunts, and take practice to learn. The first game should be simple stunts with maybe 2 cards (double sided for a total of 4 colors). Then with each succeeding game, they can get more complex and sophisticated. They should also think of reducing the size of the card stunt area so that it can be filled with less than great attendance.

Maybe there is a relationship to this and selling beer in the stands.