How to pass a ball and how to shoot it

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I don't deserve to post anything after seeing only a little of last night's game. I recorded the game, but got home in time to catch the last 5 minutes of the first half. I turned on the Telly and Cal was already down 19. I had some dinner, and turned on the game again to see if Cal had cut into the WSU lead, only to find that WSU had increased their lead to 25 points. I switched channels to a Gunsmoke rerun, and enjoyed the rest of my evening.

I watched less than 10 minutes, and what I saw was something that has been bugging me all season. Or rather Cal's passes and Cal's shots. Lesson #1 in passing is to learn how to make the physical passes, two handed chest pass, bounce passes, one-handed passes etc. Lesson #2 in passing is don't telegraph your passes. See your teammate out of the corner of your eye, but don't look directly at him. If you do look at where you are going to pass the ball, is easier for a defender to get a hand on the ball, and deflect it or steal it. Lesson #3 is to learn how to fake a pass, before you make your pass. This disrupts the defender's timing, and makes it hard for him to recover in time to steal a pass he knows is coming.

The same is true of shooting. Lesson #1 is to learn all the mechanics of shooting, and the different types of shots, and practice that endlessly, until you attain some accuracy. Lesson #2 is don't always look at the basket when you are getting ready to shoot. You have to "feel" where the basket is, know where it is, but don't look directly at the basket until right before you go into your shooting motion. And of course you have to learn that when you are too tightly covered by a defender or two to get off a clean shot, then pass the ball to a teammate. Lesson #3 is to fake before you shoot. Not always, but do it when a defender is in position to block your shot, such as when you are standing close to the basket and are well guarded. Fake that shot, and get your man up in the air. As he is coming down, you go up with your shot.

Now these are things we old-timers were all taught by coaches in the 8th through the 10th grades. Do they teach all this stuff today? Last night, in my maybe 8-10 minutes of watching Cal, we telegraphed every single pass, never faked a pass, never faked a shot. The most egregious example of a bad pass was Foreman with the ball faced with a double-team, and looking right at his teammate and trying to make a bounce pass between the two defenders, which was easily picked off. The more I watch Foreman, I think he should never pass, and just stick to shooting.

The most egregious shot attempt was Anticevich driving and stopping near the basket, and then jumping up to shoot, with an athletic defender right on him Grant in essence telegraphed the shot, because he went right up with the ball, instead making a pump fake, and then going up with the shot. Of course, the defender stuffed the shot back in Grant's face.

How in the world did our coaches assemble a group of players (except Bradley and maybe Celestine) who all don't know how to avoid telegraphing passes or shots and don't know how to fake a pass or a shot? I've seen this in too many Cal games this season. Last night, WSU defenders were getting their hands on too many of Cal's passes, even in the few minutes I saw. Needless to say, I won't be watching the rest of that recording. I know I just couldn't stand it.
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SFCityBear said:

I switched channels to a Gunsmoke rerun, and enjoyed the rest of my evening.


And I had you pegged as a Money Heist or Wandavision kinda guy. Live and learn.
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SFCityBear said:


Now these are things we old-timers were all taught by coaches in the 8th through the 10th grades. Do they teach all this stuff today? Last night, in my maybe 8-10 minutes of watching Cal, we telegraphed every single pass, never faked a pass, never faked a shot. The most egregious example of a bad pass was Foreman with the ball faced with a double-team, and looking right at his teammate and trying to make a bounce pass between the two defenders, which was easily picked off. The more I watch Foreman, I think he should never pass, and just stick to shooting.

The most egregious shot attempt was Anticevich driving and stopping near the basket, and then jumping up to shoot, with an athletic defender right on him Grant in essence telegraphed the shot, because he went right up with the ball, instead making a pump fake, and then going up with the shot. Of course, the defender stuffed the shot back in Grant's face.

How in the world did our coaches assemble a group of players (except Bradley and maybe Celestine) who all don't know how to avoid telegraphing passes or shots and don't know how to fake a pass or a shot? I've seen this in too many Cal games this season. Last night, WSU defenders were getting their hands on too many of Cal's passes, even in the few minutes I saw. Needless to say, I won't be watching the rest of that recording. I know I just couldn't stand it.
Yes, they do teach those things. I'm sure you old timers didn't learn these skills once in 8th grade and never practice them again. If your college team doesn't effectively practice what you learned in 8th grade you aren't going to keep those skills up. Of course, every team is practicing to get better at all of the skills. The fact that Cal looks like it telegraphs its passes now doesn't mean they couldn't go back and play the equivalent of their high school selves and look like they are slicing and dicing with no look passes. In the case of telegraphing your passes, well, you telegraph your passes when you don't have the confidence to make that pass against the defense without looking at the destination. I've seen enough high school high light tapes, especially of point guards, who seem to be amazing distributors. No look passes. Fake one way and go the other. Fake the shot and bounce pass in the lane. And you wonder why they aren't higher rated. Then they get to college and you know. They can't do any of that. In order to utilize deception, the defense needs to buy the deception. College players are a lot better at recognizing the deception. And further, defenses are a lot better at making the passing lanes a lot tighter and just generally playing their defensive responsibility.

If a team isn't displaying a skill, they either didn't recruit for it, don't practice it effectively, or some combination of both. I don't know what else to tell you.
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OaktownBear said:

SFCityBear said:

I switched channels to a Gunsmoke rerun, and enjoyed the rest of my evening.


And I had you pegged as a Money Heist or Wandavision kinda guy. Live and learn.
I would have guessed Untouchables.
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"How in the world did our coaches assemble a group of players (except Bradley and maybe Celestine) who all don't know how to avoid telegraphing passes or shots and don't know how to fake a pass or a shot?"

AAU, we salute you.
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stu said:

OaktownBear said:

SFCityBear said:

I switched channels to a Gunsmoke rerun, and enjoyed the rest of my evening.


And I had you pegged as a Money Heist or Wandavision kinda guy. Live and learn.
I would have guessed Untouchables.
Do you mean my main man, Elliot Ness, on TV when I was 16 years old? Or the bottom dwellers in India's Caste system?
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OaktownBear said:

SFCityBear said:

I switched channels to a Gunsmoke rerun, and enjoyed the rest of my evening.


And I had you pegged as a Money Heist or Wandavision kinda guy. Live and learn.
Never heard of them. Not on my radar. Cal basketball games jangle my juices, which is not healthy, according to Satchel Paige.

I think you may dislike the way Cal plays even more than I do. So what is your alternate entertainment?
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SFCityBear said:

I don't deserve to post anything after seeing only a little of last night's game. I recorded the game, but got home in time to catch the last 5 minutes of the first half. I turned on the Telly and Cal was already down 19. I had some dinner, and turned on the game again to see if Cal had cut into the WSU lead, only to find that WSU had increased their lead to 25 points. I switched channels to a Gunsmoke rerun, and enjoyed the rest of my evening.

I watched less than 10 minutes, and what I saw was something that has been bugging me all season. Or rather Cal's passes and Cal's shots. Lesson #1 in passing is to learn how to make the physical passes, two handed chest pass, bounce passes, one-handed passes etc. Lesson #2 in passing is don't telegraph your passes. See your teammate out of the corner of your eye, but don't look directly at him. If you do look at where you are going to pass the ball, is easier for a defender to get a hand on the ball, and deflect it or steal it. Lesson #3 is to learn how to fake a pass, before you make your pass. This disrupts the defender's timing, and makes it hard for him to recover in time to steal a pass he knows is coming.

The same is true of shooting. Lesson #1 is to learn all the mechanics of shooting, and the different types of shots, and practice that endlessly, until you attain some accuracy. Lesson #2 is don't always look at the basket when you are getting ready to shoot. You have to "feel" where the basket is, know where it is, but don't look directly at the basket until right before you go into your shooting motion. And of course you have to learn that when you are too tightly covered by a defender or two to get off a clean shot, then pass the ball to a teammate. Lesson #3 is to fake before you shoot. Not always, but do it when a defender is in position to block your shot, such as when you are standing close to the basket and are well guarded. Fake that shot, and get your man up in the air. As he is coming down, you go up with your shot.

Now these are things we old-timers were all taught by coaches in the 8th through the 10th grades. Do they teach all this stuff today? Last night, in my maybe 8-10 minutes of watching Cal, we telegraphed every single pass, never faked a pass, never faked a shot. The most egregious example of a bad pass was Foreman with the ball faced with a double-team, and looking right at his teammate and trying to make a bounce pass between the two defenders, which was easily picked off. The more I watch Foreman, I think he should never pass, and just stick to shooting.

The most egregious shot attempt was Anticevich driving and stopping near the basket, and then jumping up to shoot, with an athletic defender right on him Grant in essence telegraphed the shot, because he went right up with the ball, instead making a pump fake, and then going up with the shot. Of course, the defender stuffed the shot back in Grant's face.

How in the world did our coaches assemble a group of players (except Bradley and maybe Celestine) who all don't know how to avoid telegraphing passes or shots and don't know how to fake a pass or a shot? I've seen this in too many Cal games this season. Last night, WSU defenders were getting their hands on too many of Cal's passes, even in the few minutes I saw. Needless to say, I won't be watching the rest of that recording. I know I just couldn't stand it.


Sounds like my dad wrote this. I have heard this from him countless times over my lifetime. A year or two ago he gave the same speech to a point guard on the Farm when visiting with their team.
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SFCityBear said:

Do you mean my main man, Elliot Ness, on TV when I was 16 years old? Or the bottom dwellers in India's Caste system?
Elliot Ness, though I think Frank Nitti got some of the better lines.

I forgot to mention Twilight Zone.
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Paladin. Have 109 episodes recorded from Heroes and Icons channel. 68.
Go Bears!
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SFCityBear said:

I don't deserve to post anything after seeing only a little of last night's game. I recorded the game, but got home in time to catch the last 5 minutes of the first half. I turned on the Telly and Cal was already down 19. I had some dinner, and turned on the game again to see if Cal had cut into the WSU lead, only to find that WSU had increased their lead to 25 points. I switched channels to a Gunsmoke rerun, and enjoyed the rest of my evening.

I watched less than 10 minutes, and what I saw was something that has been bugging me all season. Or rather Cal's passes and Cal's shots. Lesson #1 in passing is to learn how to make the physical passes, two handed chest pass, bounce passes, one-handed passes etc. Lesson #2 in passing is don't telegraph your passes. See your teammate out of the corner of your eye, but don't look directly at him. If you do look at where you are going to pass the ball, is easier for a defender to get a hand on the ball, and deflect it or steal it. Lesson #3 is to learn how to fake a pass, before you make your pass. This disrupts the defender's timing, and makes it hard for him to recover in time to steal a pass he knows is coming.

The same is true of shooting. Lesson #1 is to learn all the mechanics of shooting, and the different types of shots, and practice that endlessly, until you attain some accuracy. Lesson #2 is don't always look at the basket when you are getting ready to shoot. You have to "feel" where the basket is, know where it is, but don't look directly at the basket until right before you go into your shooting motion. And of course you have to learn that when you are too tightly covered by a defender or two to get off a clean shot, then pass the ball to a teammate. Lesson #3 is to fake before you shoot. Not always, but do it when a defender is in position to block your shot, such as when you are standing close to the basket and are well guarded. Fake that shot, and get your man up in the air. As he is coming down, you go up with your shot.

Now these are things we old-timers were all taught by coaches in the 8th through the 10th grades. Do they teach all this stuff today? Last night, in my maybe 8-10 minutes of watching Cal, we telegraphed every single pass, never faked a pass, never faked a shot. The most egregious example of a bad pass was Foreman with the ball faced with a double-team, and looking right at his teammate and trying to make a bounce pass between the two defenders, which was easily picked off. The more I watch Foreman, I think he should never pass, and just stick to shooting.

The most egregious shot attempt was Anticevich driving and stopping near the basket, and then jumping up to shoot, with an athletic defender right on him Grant in essence telegraphed the shot, because he went right up with the ball, instead making a pump fake, and then going up with the shot. Of course, the defender stuffed the shot back in Grant's face.

How in the world did our coaches assemble a group of players (except Bradley and maybe Celestine) who all don't know how to avoid telegraphing passes or shots and don't know how to fake a pass or a shot? I've seen this in too many Cal games this season. Last night, WSU defenders were getting their hands on too many of Cal's passes, even in the few minutes I saw. Needless to say, I won't be watching the rest of that recording. I know I just couldn't stand it.

It's funny you mention you learned those skills from coaches, I learned those skills by watching Lakers games and listening to Chick Hearn. I said it before on another thread, but he taught the basics even while he was calling games. It helped that the Lakers (and their opponents) also engaged in those same basics during the games.

One other thing I did as a kid was to remember where people were and figure out where they should/would be. This meant I was throwing true no look passes, but they hit my teammates perfectly.

One thing I did on defense (in the post) was to stick my face into opponent's chest and then stick out my freeside hand to deny passes to him. This type of defense seems to have been forgotten and is no longer taught (even when teams play man defense). But the last time I played a pickup game and pulled this out of my bag of tricks, it frustrated the young dude I was guarding.
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We do fake passes but rarely and not enough. We will see how much we will use fake passes against UW's over playing zones.

Fake passes are a key against zones, shifting the zone in the wrong direction, creating gaps

Against over playing, extended zones like UW, fake passes is a great way to burn an overly aggressive zones, by faking the pass and then back dooring the defender

I'm sure our coaches practice this.

By the way, Kelly uses pump fakes all the time. Sometimes a little too much


P.S. if you don't like telegraphing passes, I recommend you don't watch the women's team
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P.S. if you don't like telegraphing passes, I recommend you don't watch the women's team
They don't telegraph, they Instagram.
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One of the standard counter-moves against a defense that's overplaying the pass is to go back-door. I've not watched all the games but I don't recall seeing a Cal player try that.
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Stanford Jonah said:

SFCityBear said:

I don't deserve to post anything after seeing only a little of last night's game. I recorded the game, but got home in time to catch the last 5 minutes of the first half. I turned on the Telly and Cal was already down 19. I had some dinner, and turned on the game again to see if Cal had cut into the WSU lead, only to find that WSU had increased their lead to 25 points. I switched channels to a Gunsmoke rerun, and enjoyed the rest of my evening.

I watched less than 10 minutes, and what I saw was something that has been bugging me all season. Or rather Cal's passes and Cal's shots. Lesson #1 in passing is to learn how to make the physical passes, two handed chest pass, bounce passes, one-handed passes etc. Lesson #2 in passing is don't telegraph your passes. See your teammate out of the corner of your eye, but don't look directly at him. If you do look at where you are going to pass the ball, is easier for a defender to get a hand on the ball, and deflect it or steal it. Lesson #3 is to learn how to fake a pass, before you make your pass. This disrupts the defender's timing, and makes it hard for him to recover in time to steal a pass he knows is coming.

The same is true of shooting. Lesson #1 is to learn all the mechanics of shooting, and the different types of shots, and practice that endlessly, until you attain some accuracy. Lesson #2 is don't always look at the basket when you are getting ready to shoot. You have to "feel" where the basket is, know where it is, but don't look directly at the basket until right before you go into your shooting motion. And of course you have to learn that when you are too tightly covered by a defender or two to get off a clean shot, then pass the ball to a teammate. Lesson #3 is to fake before you shoot. Not always, but do it when a defender is in position to block your shot, such as when you are standing close to the basket and are well guarded. Fake that shot, and get your man up in the air. As he is coming down, you go up with your shot.

Now these are things we old-timers were all taught by coaches in the 8th through the 10th grades. Do they teach all this stuff today? Last night, in my maybe 8-10 minutes of watching Cal, we telegraphed every single pass, never faked a pass, never faked a shot. The most egregious example of a bad pass was Foreman with the ball faced with a double-team, and looking right at his teammate and trying to make a bounce pass between the two defenders, which was easily picked off. The more I watch Foreman, I think he should never pass, and just stick to shooting.

The most egregious shot attempt was Anticevich driving and stopping near the basket, and then jumping up to shoot, with an athletic defender right on him Grant in essence telegraphed the shot, because he went right up with the ball, instead making a pump fake, and then going up with the shot. Of course, the defender stuffed the shot back in Grant's face.

How in the world did our coaches assemble a group of players (except Bradley and maybe Celestine) who all don't know how to avoid telegraphing passes or shots and don't know how to fake a pass or a shot? I've seen this in too many Cal games this season. Last night, WSU defenders were getting their hands on too many of Cal's passes, even in the few minutes I saw. Needless to say, I won't be watching the rest of that recording. I know I just couldn't stand it.
I could so easily go without another soliloquy about the peach basket era you played in. Basketball is vasly superior to the 1950's when no one cared. I don't need to hear one more thing about how they coached it in your day. I really don't.

The problem is that our coach is on a long painful descent out of Division 1 major conference coaching and we're along for the ride and he can't recruit better players. It's talent, not two-hand chest passes.
I can't help it if you are unwilling to understand that most basketball fundamentals transcend generations and are still true and essential today. Your insults betray your closed mind. I'm clearly not writing for you. There is an ignore button. Put me on it, and feel free to spend and waste all your time blaming Cal coaches and blaming Cal players, and Cal administrators for the play of your team, instead of getting upset or bored by what I write. I sincerely wish you all the best life has to offer.
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stu said:

OaktownBear said:

SFCityBear said:

I switched channels to a Gunsmoke rerun, and enjoyed the rest of my evening.


And I had you pegged as a Money Heist or Wandavision kinda guy. Live and learn.
I would have guessed Untouchables.
The Equalizer circa 1985 comes to mind. If an old Equalizer re-run had been on at the time, that might have been my choice.

He got clients with a newspaper ad:

"Got a problem? Odds against you? Call the Equalizer: 212 555 4200."




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If you play that way in the pickup games I play in, you might get an elbow in your face

Denying the ball in a pickup game ain't cool

(Sorry, I re-read your comment that says you were denying the ball into the post. That's what you're suppose to do in the post, pickup game or otherwise... my comment is about denying the ball on the perimeter in a pickup game... of course ok in a real game)

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SFCityBear said:

I don't deserve to post anything after seeing only a little of last night's game. I recorded the game, but got home in time to catch the last 5 minutes of the first half. I turned on the Telly and Cal was already down 19. I had some dinner, and turned on the game again to see if Cal had cut into the WSU lead, only to find that WSU had increased their lead to 25 points. I switched channels to a Gunsmoke rerun, and enjoyed the rest of my evening.

I watched less than 10 minutes, and what I saw was something that has been bugging me all season. Or rather Cal's passes and Cal's shots. Lesson #1 in passing is to learn how to make the physical passes, two handed chest pass, bounce passes, one-handed passes etc. Lesson #2 in passing is don't telegraph your passes. See your teammate out of the corner of your eye, but don't look directly at him. If you do look at where you are going to pass the ball, is easier for a defender to get a hand on the ball, and deflect it or steal it. Lesson #3 is to learn how to fake a pass, before you make your pass. This disrupts the defender's timing, and makes it hard for him to recover in time to steal a pass he knows is coming.

The same is true of shooting. Lesson #1 is to learn all the mechanics of shooting, and the different types of shots, and practice that endlessly, until you attain some accuracy. Lesson #2 is don't always look at the basket when you are getting ready to shoot. You have to "feel" where the basket is, know where it is, but don't look directly at the basket until right before you go into your shooting motion. And of course you have to learn that when you are too tightly covered by a defender or two to get off a clean shot, then pass the ball to a teammate. Lesson #3 is to fake before you shoot. Not always, but do it when a defender is in position to block your shot, such as when you are standing close to the basket and are well guarded. Fake that shot, and get your man up in the air. As he is coming down, you go up with your shot.

Now these are things we old-timers were all taught by coaches in the 8th through the 10th grades. Do they teach all this stuff today? Last night, in my maybe 8-10 minutes of watching Cal, we telegraphed every single pass, never faked a pass, never faked a shot. The most egregious example of a bad pass was Foreman with the ball faced with a double-team, and looking right at his teammate and trying to make a bounce pass between the two defenders, which was easily picked off. The more I watch Foreman, I think he should never pass, and just stick to shooting.

The most egregious shot attempt was Anticevich driving and stopping near the basket, and then jumping up to shoot, with an athletic defender right on him Grant in essence telegraphed the shot, because he went right up with the ball, instead making a pump fake, and then going up with the shot. Of course, the defender stuffed the shot back in Grant's face.

How in the world did our coaches assemble a group of players (except Bradley and maybe Celestine) who all don't know how to avoid telegraphing passes or shots and don't know how to fake a pass or a shot? I've seen this in too many Cal games this season. Last night, WSU defenders were getting their hands on too many of Cal's passes, even in the few minutes I saw. Needless to say, I won't be watching the rest of that recording. I know I just couldn't stand it.

It's funny you mention you learned those skills from coaches, I learned those skills by watching Lakers games and listening to Chick Hearn. I said it before on another thread, but he taught the basics even while he was calling games. It helped that the Lakers (and their opponents) also engaged in those same basics during the games.

One other thing I did as a kid was to remember where people were and figure out where they should/would be. This meant I was throwing true no look passes, but they hit my teammates perfectly.

One thing I did on defense (in the post) was to stick my face into opponent's chest and then stick out my freeside hand to deny passes to him. This type of defense seems to have been forgotten and is no longer taught (even when teams play man defense). But the last time I played a pickup game and pulled this out of my bag of tricks, it frustrated the young dude I was guarding.

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HoopDreams said:

If you play that way in the pickup games I play in, you might get an elbow in your face

Denying the ball in a pickup game ain't cool

(Sorry, I re-read your comment that says you were denying the ball into the post. That's what you're suppose to do in the post, pickup game or otherwise... my comment is about denying the ball on the perimeter in a pickup game... of course ok in a real game)

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SFCityBear said:

I don't deserve to post anything after seeing only a little of last night's game. I recorded the game, but got home in time to catch the last 5 minutes of the first half. I turned on the Telly and Cal was already down 19. I had some dinner, and turned on the game again to see if Cal had cut into the WSU lead, only to find that WSU had increased their lead to 25 points. I switched channels to a Gunsmoke rerun, and enjoyed the rest of my evening.

I watched less than 10 minutes, and what I saw was something that has been bugging me all season. Or rather Cal's passes and Cal's shots. Lesson #1 in passing is to learn how to make the physical passes, two handed chest pass, bounce passes, one-handed passes etc. Lesson #2 in passing is don't telegraph your passes. See your teammate out of the corner of your eye, but don't look directly at him. If you do look at where you are going to pass the ball, is easier for a defender to get a hand on the ball, and deflect it or steal it. Lesson #3 is to learn how to fake a pass, before you make your pass. This disrupts the defender's timing, and makes it hard for him to recover in time to steal a pass he knows is coming.

The same is true of shooting. Lesson #1 is to learn all the mechanics of shooting, and the different types of shots, and practice that endlessly, until you attain some accuracy. Lesson #2 is don't always look at the basket when you are getting ready to shoot. You have to "feel" where the basket is, know where it is, but don't look directly at the basket until right before you go into your shooting motion. And of course you have to learn that when you are too tightly covered by a defender or two to get off a clean shot, then pass the ball to a teammate. Lesson #3 is to fake before you shoot. Not always, but do it when a defender is in position to block your shot, such as when you are standing close to the basket and are well guarded. Fake that shot, and get your man up in the air. As he is coming down, you go up with your shot.

Now these are things we old-timers were all taught by coaches in the 8th through the 10th grades. Do they teach all this stuff today? Last night, in my maybe 8-10 minutes of watching Cal, we telegraphed every single pass, never faked a pass, never faked a shot. The most egregious example of a bad pass was Foreman with the ball faced with a double-team, and looking right at his teammate and trying to make a bounce pass between the two defenders, which was easily picked off. The more I watch Foreman, I think he should never pass, and just stick to shooting.

The most egregious shot attempt was Anticevich driving and stopping near the basket, and then jumping up to shoot, with an athletic defender right on him Grant in essence telegraphed the shot, because he went right up with the ball, instead making a pump fake, and then going up with the shot. Of course, the defender stuffed the shot back in Grant's face.

How in the world did our coaches assemble a group of players (except Bradley and maybe Celestine) who all don't know how to avoid telegraphing passes or shots and don't know how to fake a pass or a shot? I've seen this in too many Cal games this season. Last night, WSU defenders were getting their hands on too many of Cal's passes, even in the few minutes I saw. Needless to say, I won't be watching the rest of that recording. I know I just couldn't stand it.

It's funny you mention you learned those skills from coaches, I learned those skills by watching Lakers games and listening to Chick Hearn. I said it before on another thread, but he taught the basics even while he was calling games. It helped that the Lakers (and their opponents) also engaged in those same basics during the games.

One other thing I did as a kid was to remember where people were and figure out where they should/would be. This meant I was throwing true no look passes, but they hit my teammates perfectly.

One thing I did on defense (in the post) was to stick my face into opponent's chest and then stick out my freeside hand to deny passes to him. This type of defense seems to have been forgotten and is no longer taught (even when teams play man defense). But the last time I played a pickup game and pulled this out of my bag of tricks, it frustrated the young dude I was guarding.



I've played pickup games with wannabe tough guys before, too. It's funny how quickly they backed down (and ran off to join other games) when I fought back. Maybe it's because I fight dirty and don't back down from bullies.

IMHO, there's no place for an (intentional) elbow to the face in basketball. That said, if a defender crowds an offensive player and gets hit with an accidental elbow, that could be a legitimate offensive foul, but not grounds for a real fight. An intentional elbow to the face, OTOH, is grounds for a real fight.
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