Recruiting and Ken Pom Ranking over the last 20 years

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Cal's Ken Pom Ranking and Number of Top 100 recruits on the roster over the last 20 seasons:

Year Ranking Top 100 Players Top 20 Players
02 #37 4
03 #47 2
04 #102 3 Powe
05 #144 3
06 #47 4 Powe
07 #78 5
08 #67 3

09 #30 3
10 #14 3
11 #75 2
12 #29 1
13 #56 2 Bird
14 #60 2 Bird

15 #113 2 Bird
16 #28 4 Bird, Brown, Rabb
17 #62 3 Bird, Rabb

18 #244 1 Lee
19 #241 1

20 #153 1
21 #114 1
22 ? 0

With the success of the PAC-12 in the NCAA Tournament, Cal's ranking rose substantially in Ken Pom, despite being 3-17 in league play.

With Bradley's departure, next year will be the first year in decades that Cal will not have a single Top 100 recruit on the roster.
BearlyCareAnymore
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calumnus said:

Cal's Ken Pom Ranking and Number of Top 100 recruits on the roster over the last 20 seasons:

Year Ranking Top 100 Players Top 20 Players
02 #37 4
03 #47 2
04 #102 3 Powe
05 #144 3
06 #47 4 Powe
07 #78 5
08 #67 3

09 #30 3
10 #14 3
11 #75 2
12 #29 1
13 #56 2 Bird
14 #60 2 Bird

15 #113 2 Bird
16 #28 4 Bird, Brown, Rabb
17 #62 3 Bird, Rabb

18 #244 1 Lee
19 #241 1

20 #153 1
21 #114 1
22 ? 0

With the success of the PAC-12 in the NCAA Tournament, Cal's ranking rose substantially in Ken Pom, despite being 3-17 in league play.

With Bradley's departure, next year will be the first year in decades that Cal will not have a single Top 100 recruit on the roster.


The most sobering thing there is that for the first time in at least 20 years, we have zero top 100 recruits on the team.
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Interesting data, thanks for complying. At a superficial level, looks like we need at least 3 top 100 players to field a competitive team (top ~30 ranking).
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PtownBear1 said:

Interesting data, thanks for complying. At a superficial level, looks like we need at least 3 top 100 players to field a competitive team (top ~30 ranking).


The exception being 2011-2012 at #29 with only #71 Crabbe, but great finds like Cobbs, Jorge, Solomon, Kravish, and Kamp (plus Thurman and Smith) and coached up by a Hall of Famer.

I think the above shows Braun was a good recruiter, but did less with more. Monty was not as good of a recruiter but did more with less. Martin was an elite recruiter, but did good with great. Jones and Fox are doing less with less.

I do think that Braun and Martin established that you can recruit top talent to Cal so that should never be questioned. We want better coaching than those two which should be achievable even if not Monty level. Some combination of smart coaching and good recruiting should be attainable.
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OaktownBear said:

calumnus said:

Cal's Ken Pom Ranking and Number of Top 100 recruits on the roster over the last 20 seasons:

Year Ranking Top 100 Players Top 20 Players
02 #37 4
03 #47 2
04 #102 3 Powe
05 #144 3
06 #47 4 Powe
07 #78 5
08 #67 3

09 #30 3
10 #14 3
11 #75 2
12 #29 1
13 #56 2 Bird
14 #60 2 Bird

15 #113 2 Bird
16 #28 4 Bird, Brown, Rabb
17 #62 3 Bird, Rabb

18 #244 1 Lee
19 #241 1

20 #153 1
21 #114 1
22 ? 0

With the success of the PAC-12 in the NCAA Tournament, Cal's ranking rose substantially in Ken Pom, despite being 3-17 in league play.

With Bradley's departure, next year will be the first year in decades that Cal will not have a single Top 100 recruit on the roster.


The most sobering thing there is that for the first time in at least 20 years, we have zero top 100 recruits on the team.


The last time was 97-98 due to sanctions with Carlisle, Kilgore, Lampley, Marks, Gill et al. Definitely more talented than next year's team. Before that probably 30 years ago to the early Campanelli teams before Murray, Grigsby, Buckley, Kidd....
BearlyCareAnymore
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calumnus said:

OaktownBear said:

calumnus said:

Cal's Ken Pom Ranking and Number of Top 100 recruits on the roster over the last 20 seasons:

Year Ranking Top 100 Players Top 20 Players
02 #37 4
03 #47 2
04 #102 3 Powe
05 #144 3
06 #47 4 Powe
07 #78 5
08 #67 3

09 #30 3
10 #14 3
11 #75 2
12 #29 1
13 #56 2 Bird
14 #60 2 Bird

15 #113 2 Bird
16 #28 4 Bird, Brown, Rabb
17 #62 3 Bird, Rabb

18 #244 1 Lee
19 #241 1

20 #153 1
21 #114 1
22 ? 0

With the success of the PAC-12 in the NCAA Tournament, Cal's ranking rose substantially in Ken Pom, despite being 3-17 in league play.

With Bradley's departure, next year will be the first year in decades that Cal will not have a single Top 100 recruit on the roster.


The most sobering thing there is that for the first time in at least 20 years, we have zero top 100 recruits on the team.


The last time was 97-98 due to sanctions with Carlisle, Kilgore, Lampley, Marks, Gill et al. Definitely more talented than next year's team. Before that probably 30 years ago to the early Campanelli teams before Murray, Grigsby, Buckley, Kidd....


I don't think so with Campanelli. Before Murray there was Brian Hendrick. Before Hendrick was Matt Beeuwsaert. Pretty sure Leonard Taylor and then you are back to Kuchen (I think there were other top 100 players under Campy). I know KJ was under the radar but I don't know if he was that far under.


Before that was Michael Pitts.
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OaktownBear said:

calumnus said:

OaktownBear said:

calumnus said:

Cal's Ken Pom Ranking and Number of Top 100 recruits on the roster over the last 20 seasons:

Year Ranking Top 100 Players Top 20 Players
02 #37 4
03 #47 2
04 #102 3 Powe
05 #144 3
06 #47 4 Powe
07 #78 5
08 #67 3

09 #30 3
10 #14 3
11 #75 2
12 #29 1
13 #56 2 Bird
14 #60 2 Bird

15 #113 2 Bird
16 #28 4 Bird, Brown, Rabb
17 #62 3 Bird, Rabb

18 #244 1 Lee
19 #241 1

20 #153 1
21 #114 1
22 ? 0

With the success of the PAC-12 in the NCAA Tournament, Cal's ranking rose substantially in Ken Pom, despite being 3-17 in league play.

With Bradley's departure, next year will be the first year in decades that Cal will not have a single Top 100 recruit on the roster.


The most sobering thing there is that for the first time in at least 20 years, we have zero top 100 recruits on the team.


The last time was 97-98 due to sanctions with Carlisle, Kilgore, Lampley, Marks, Gill et al. Definitely more talented than next year's team. Before that probably 30 years ago to the early Campanelli teams before Murray, Grigsby, Buckley, Kidd....


I don't think so with Campanelli. Before Murray there was Brian Hendrick. Before Hendrick was Matt Beeuwsaert. Pretty sure Leonard Taylor and then you are back to Kuchen (I think there were other top 100 players under Campy). I know KJ was under the radar but I don't know if he was that far under.


Before that was Michael Pitts.




Michael Pitts, there is a blast from the past. One of the assistant coaches asked me to talk to Pitts and help him feel welcome on his recruiting visit. Years later one of my basketball buddies played against him in Contra Costa County Rec League...
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OaktownBear said:

calumnus said:

OaktownBear said:

calumnus said:

Cal's Ken Pom Ranking and Number of Top 100 recruits on the roster over the last 20 seasons:

Year Ranking Top 100 Players Top 20 Players
02 #37 4
03 #47 2
04 #102 3 Powe
05 #144 3
06 #47 4 Powe
07 #78 5
08 #67 3

09 #30 3
10 #14 3
11 #75 2
12 #29 1
13 #56 2 Bird
14 #60 2 Bird

15 #113 2 Bird
16 #28 4 Bird, Brown, Rabb
17 #62 3 Bird, Rabb

18 #244 1 Lee
19 #241 1

20 #153 1
21 #114 1
22 ? 0

With the success of the PAC-12 in the NCAA Tournament, Cal's ranking rose substantially in Ken Pom, despite being 3-17 in league play.

With Bradley's departure, next year will be the first year in decades that Cal will not have a single Top 100 recruit on the roster.


The most sobering thing there is that for the first time in at least 20 years, we have zero top 100 recruits on the team.


The last time was 97-98 due to sanctions with Carlisle, Kilgore, Lampley, Marks, Gill et al. Definitely more talented than next year's team. Before that probably 30 years ago to the early Campanelli teams before Murray, Grigsby, Buckley, Kidd....


I don't think so with Campanelli. Before Murray there was Brian Hendrick. Before Hendrick was Matt Beeuwsaert. Pretty sure Leonard Taylor and then you are back to Kuchen (I think there were other top 100 players under Campy). I know KJ was under the radar but I don't know if he was that far under.


Before that was Michael Pitts.



Yes, Taylor and Beeuwsaert were Parade All Americans. And Before that Pitts and probably McNamera (coming up on the one year anniversary of his death) there weren't really recruiting rankings back then. So we probably are taking early Kutchen, more than 40 years ago.
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calumnus said:


I think the above shows Braun was a good recruiter, but did less with more. Monty was not as good of a recruiter but did more with less. Martin was an elite recruiter, but did good with great. Jones and Fox are doing less with less.

I do think that Braun and Martin established that you can recruit top talent to Cal so that should never be questioned. We want better coaching than those two which should be achievable even if not Monty level. Some combination of smart coaching and good recruiting should be attainable.
The urgent need is a massive injection of talent. What the Bears need to get out of the current situation is an A-plus recruiter, someone who can convince good players to join up notwithstanding the state of the roster.

Good coaching would be a nice bonus on top of that, but recruiting has to come first if we're going to see this team even reach the top half of the Pac-12. No coach is enough of a miracle worker to win with the current roster's talent level.
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