socaltownie said:

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Honestly this is now at the point of farce. NO ONE can seriously believe that Fox is coming back next year. Season tixs, meager as they are, would dry up, no recruit will come and it would simply be a delay of another year until the inevitable firing.

Yes, the optics of doing it during FINALS WEEK while the grad students are on strike sucks balls. It really does. But you can not have a coach, playing with 8 scholarship players, SCREAM at the players in an empty gym.

I acknowlege the situation sucks. An interim will be unable to recruit (are we even doing anything?). Everyone knows THEY will be a dead man walking because after Jones NO WAY an assistant is being elevated and especially on a squad that is O fer the season.

But it is in the interests of the students. If Christ and Knowleton really DO place student success and well being first <*cough - look at swim> Fox needs to be fired ASAP.

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Personally, I believe Knowlton doesn't see anything wrong here. The narrative that injuries have completely derailed the season is being spread far and wide. It's in every write-up, on every broadcast, in every press conference. With players healthy and contributing next year along with a key recruit, he deserves another year to show you what he's built. Not to mention the buyout and poor optics around that given the issues you mentioned. I will be more surprised if he is fired before next year.

Do I agree with that? Absolutely not. However, this is Cal and they suck at this.

BeachedBear said:

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socaltownie said:

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Honestly this is now at the point of farce. NO ONE can seriously believe that Fox is coming back next year. Season tixs, meager as they are, would dry up, no recruit will come and it would simply be a delay of another year until the inevitable firing.

Yes, the optics of doing it during FINALS WEEK while the grad students are on strike sucks balls. It really does. But you can not have a coach, playing with 8 scholarship players, SCREAM at the players in an empty gym.

I acknowlege the situation sucks. An interim will be unable to recruit (are we even doing anything?). Everyone knows THEY will be a dead man walking because after Jones NO WAY an assistant is being elevated and especially on a squad that is O fer the season.

But it is in the interests of the students. If Christ and Knowleton really DO place student success and well being first <*cough - look at swim> Fox needs to be fired ASAP.

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Well this is where we were one year ago. Discussing if it makes sense to replace Fox before conference play, sensing that he would be replaced at year end. All the evidence was there and maybe there was a glimmer of hope along the lines of "wait until the season is over so the coaching candidates are available" Then the season ended and zilch.

So yeah - it been at the point of farce for a year. Not much different now than a year ago (other than we're actually worse). I have absolutely zero confidence that JK will do anything after the season is over. I also don't believe he is spending any time or effort narrowing a list.

So we will need to await a new AD. The good news is once you go zero-fer you can't be much worse.

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There is a logic of not makign a change last year. I don't agree with it but I can understand. (not the extension but not firing). It has been a screwy period of time and arguably you just dont have the body of work to fully see if the plan is a bad one.

Now we know. He needs to go.

Agreed. Plus we need to have fun when we cut down the nets after our first and only victiory this year.

socaltownie said:

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Honestly this is now at the point of farce. NO ONE can seriously believe that Fox is coming back next year. Season tixs, meager as they are, would dry up, no recruit will come and it would simply be a delay of another year until the inevitable firing.

Yes, the optics of doing it during FINALS WEEK while the grad students are on strike sucks balls. It really does. But you can not have a coach, playing with 8 scholarship players, SCREAM at the players in an empty gym.

I acknowlege the situation sucks. An interim will be unable to recruit (are we even doing anything?). Everyone knows THEY will be a dead man walking because after Jones NO WAY an assistant is being elevated and especially on a squad that is O fer the season.

But it is in the interests of the students. If Christ and Knowleton really DO place student success and well being first <*cough - look at swim> Fox needs to be fired ASAP.

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https://www.linkedin.com/in/jeff-knowlton-0588436

oskidunker said:

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socaltownie said:

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Honestly this is now at the point of farce. NO ONE can seriously believe that Fox is coming back next year. Season tixs, meager as they are, would dry up, no recruit will come and it would simply be a delay of another year until the inevitable firing.

Yes, the optics of doing it during FINALS WEEK while the grad students are on strike sucks balls. It really does. But you can not have a coach, playing with 8 scholarship players, SCREAM at the players in an empty gym.

I acknowlege the situation sucks. An interim will be unable to recruit (are we even doing anything?). Everyone knows THEY will be a dead man walking because after Jones NO WAY an assistant is being elevated and especially on a squad that is O fer the season.

But it is in the interests of the students. If Christ and Knowleton really DO place student success and well being first <*cough - look at swim> Fox needs to be fired ASAP.

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https://www.linkedin.com/in/jeff-knowlton-0588436

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Fire Jeff also! Guilt by association!

For those keeping track, Fox has actually lost 13 in a row dating back to the end of last season. :-(

DoubtfulBear said:

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At this point, I want to keep Fox through the season so he will be immortalized. 20 years from now, I want Jeopardy to have a question of "this college basketball coach led his team to a record 0-31 season"

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As long as we can get a new coach hired in time to keep our good/promising players from leaving and to begin recruiting.

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For those keeping track, Fox has actually lost 13 in a row dating back to the end of last season. :-(

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Last win in football: Furd (we lost 6 of our last 7 I think)
Last win in hoops: Furd last year

Knowlton owns Furd

DoubtfulBear said:

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At this point, I want to keep Fox through the season so he will be immortalized. 20 years from now, I want Jeopardy to have a question of "this college basketball coach led his team to a record 0-31 season"

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If the Bears go winless, it will be a 0-32 record. The one-and-done in the Pac-12 tournament will count, so 0-11 in OOC games, 0-20 in the conference season, and 0-1 in the conference tourney yields 0-32.

The biggest stumbling block to 0-32 will be UT Arlington on December 21. The Bears will almost surely be favored. The Bears would almost surely have defeated EWU if Askew hadn't been in COVID protocols, the fates smiled upon Fox in his effort to go winless, and the fates may need to somehow smile again in order to get a defeat against UTA. There will be 21 additional games in which the Bears will be the underdog and need to avoid an upset, the Butler and Santa Clara OOC games, 18 regular conference games, and 1 conference tourney game, and the fates kind of need to smile on Fox in his effort to go winless if he's going to avoid an upset in all 21 games, he definitely needs the opponents to avoid having an off night on the same night the Bears are on.

That's a big challenge for Fox to get immortalized like that. He may need to settle for worst major conference season ever, or maybe he'll even "fall" to merely the worst Cal season ever. But it seems highly unlikely that Knowlton will choose to get rid of Fox before the season is over, so Fox will most likely get his shot, even if his chance for winless may be over by December 21.

This "Jeff Knowleton" thread has given fans another avenue to vent. Nice. We are frustrated!

How it was done before, with younger guys.

https://www.sfgate.com/sports/article/GLENN-DICKEY-Cal-Is-Finally-Clear-of-Bockrath-2965882.php

Cal8285 said:

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DoubtfulBear said:

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At this point, I want to keep Fox through the season so he will be immortalized. 20 years from now, I want Jeopardy to have a question of "this college basketball coach led his team to a record 0-31 season"

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If the Bears go winless, it will be a 0-32 record. The one-and-done in the Pac-12 tournament will count, so 0-11 in OOC games, 0-20 in the conference season, and 0-1 in the conference tourney yields 0-32.

The biggest stumbling block to 0-32 will be UT Arlington on December 21. The Bears will almost surely be favored. The Bears would almost surely have defeated EWU if Askew hadn't been in COVID protocols, the fates smiled upon Fox in his effort to go winless, and the fates may need to somehow smile again in order to get a defeat against UTA. There will be 21 additional games in which the Bears will be the underdog and need to avoid an upset, the Butler and Santa Clara OOC games, 18 regular conference games, and 1 conference tourney game, and the fates kind of need to smile on Fox in his effort to go winless if he's going to avoid an upset in all 21 games, he definitely needs the opponents to avoid having an off night on the same night the Bears are on.

That's a big challenge for Fox to get immortalized like that. He may need to settle for worst major conference season ever, or maybe he'll even "fall" to merely the worst Cal season ever. But it seems highly unlikely that Knowlton will choose to get rid of Fox before the season is over, so Fox will most likely get his shot, even if his chance for winless may be over by December 21.

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Don't count out the two headwinds that only impact Cal - COVID and injuries! Considering how slow we play, other teams will need to have a record low scoring % for us to even sniff an upset.

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Don't count out the two headwinds that only impact Cal - COVID and injuries! Considering how slow we play, other teams will need to have a record low scoring % for us to even sniff an upset.

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Does anyone know if Askew & Okafor got covid or if it was precautionary? Because I get the sense that Fox is exacerbating any injury/ailment to prevent a player from playing in order to save his own ass. Like remember when Marsalis was in a boot then played the next game? Or Clayton still not playing but I recall him saying he was eligible to practice weeks ago.

He doesn't want his full squad healthy because even he knows the results will be the same.

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DoubtfulBear said:

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Don't count out the two headwinds that only impact Cal - COVID and injuries! Considering how slow we play, other teams will need to have a record low scoring % for us to even sniff an upset.

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Does anyone know if Askew & Okafor got covid or if it was precautionary? Because I get the sense that Fox is exacerbating any injury/ailment to prevent a player from playing in order to save his own ass. Like remember when Marsalis was in a boot then played the next game? Or Clayton still not playing but I recall him saying he was eligible to practice weeks ago.

He doesn't want his full squad healthy because even he knows the results will be the same.

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That might be good, in a way. Threaten to fire him "for cause", then settle for half of what's left in his contract as a buyout, avoiding the messy and costly proceedings.

In case anyone's interested- Central Conn. State, which was one of the last three remaining winless D1 teams, is about to beat Dartmouth. This leaves Cal and Louisville (who in all likelihood will beat Florida A&M next Saturday) as the sole winless teams left.

Final Dartmouth 50, Central Connecticut 59.

The first site which came up in an odds search showed Butler favored by 9.5 points over Cal on Saturday.

For those who can spend some time in Berkeley, Cal says:
Following the conclusion of the Cal-Butler contest, the Cal women's basketball team will host Pacific at 8 p.m. PST. Fans can show a Cal-Butler men's game ticket at the box office to receive a general admission ticket for the Cal-Pacific women's game.

Thats are 4 hour wait since Cal game will. E over-at 4 pm

oskidunker said:

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Thats are 4 hour wait since Cal game will. E over-at 4 pm

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Yeah. I have no idea why they scheduled the games 6 hours apart. Maybe to give the dozen students in attendance a study break?

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Thats are 4 hour wait since Cal game will. E over-at 4 pm

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Yeah. I have no idea why they scheduled the games 6 hours apart. Maybe to give the dozen students in attendance a study break?

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Good luck with that.

Inept Athletic Dept strikes again.

oskidunker said:

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stu said:

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oskidunker said:

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Thats are 4 hour wait since Cal game will. E over-at 4 pm

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Yeah. I have no idea why they scheduled the games 6 hours apart. Maybe to give the dozen students in attendance a study break?

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Good luck with that.

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They don't want it to be too easy for the throngs to do a two-fer...

stu said:

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oskidunker said:

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Thats are 4 hour wait since Cal game will. E over-at 4 pm

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Yeah. I have no idea why they scheduled the games 6 hours apart. Maybe to give the dozen students in attendance a study break?

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Go catch an early dinner before the next game

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stu said:

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oskidunker said:

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Thats are 4 hour wait since Cal game will. E over-at 4 pm

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Yeah. I have no idea why they scheduled the games 6 hours apart. Maybe to give the dozen students in attendance a study break?

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Go catch an early dinner before the next game

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Have a drink or two at East Bay Spice after the men's game.

Only at Cal can an alum/fan start a thread calling out the AD only to get his first and last name wrong.

Must have been COVID-19. Or the poster has only ten fingers (not due to recruiting misses) and of the five which could type four were injured. Or rain got into the poster's phone and scrambled the message. Cal fans are so cold, they never accept valid excuses.