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Agree. Celestine hit a big 3 but his shot still seems a bit off.
Really worried about Newell. He has regressed quite a bit.
I think Larson needs to get more minutes. Hopefully Okafor is back soon.

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KoreAmBear said:

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Bear8995 said:

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Agree. Celestine hit a big 3 but his shot still seems a bit off.
Really worried about Newell. He has regressed quite a bit.
I think Larson needs to get more minutes. Hopefully Okafor is back soon.

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I am a big fan of Celestine. I actually think he is the second most talented offensive player to JT, but has not asserted himself. Also, he had a brick layer game @ Oregon (he and Cone) which gave us no chance to stay in that game.

He played an efficient game today on offense and defense, but I want to see him defer a little less. When Cone has a dry spell we need someone other than JT or Daws to pick up the slack.

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Civil Bear said:

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Bear8995 said:

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Agree. Celestine hit a big 3 but his shot still seems a bit off.
Really worried about Newell. He has regressed quite a bit.
I think Larson needs to get more minutes. Hopefully Okafor is back soon.

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Celestine is shooting a scorching .477 from three. I like that he only shoots them when squared up.

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calumnus said:

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Civil Bear said:

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Bear8995 said:

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Agree. Celestine hit a big 3 but his shot still seems a bit off.
Really worried about Newell. He has regressed quite a bit.
I think Larson needs to get more minutes. Hopefully Okafor is back soon.

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Celestine is shooting a scorching .477 from three. I like that he only shoots them when squared up.

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Brown is shooting .516 from 3. Getting Celestine and Brown (when he is in) more shots is a key to our improvement.

Madsen's starting five of Aimaq, Tyson, Celestine, Kennedy and Cone getting most of the minutes makes sense.

Newell is slumping. Larson getting the primary big minutes off the bench makes sense until Okafor is back. Larson is shooting .375 from 3, slightly better than Tyson.

Fewer threes for Cone and more for Celestine, Tyson, Larson and Brown is an obvious improvement.

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RedlessWardrobe said:

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calumnus said:

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Civil Bear said:

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Bear8995 said:

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Agree. Celestine hit a big 3 but his shot still seems a bit off.
Really worried about Newell. He has regressed quite a bit.
I think Larson needs to get more minutes. Hopefully Okafor is back soon.

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Celestine is shooting a scorching .477 from three. I like that he only shoots them when squared up.

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Brown is shooting .516 from 3. Getting Celestine and Brown (when he is in) more shots is a key to our improvement.

Madsen's starting five of Aimaq, Tyson, Celestine, Kennedy and Cone getting most of the minutes makes sense.

Newell is slumping. Larson getting the primary big minutes off the bench makes sense until Okafor is back. Larson is shooting .375 from 3, slightly better than Tyson.

Fewer threes for Cone and more for Celestine, Tyson, Larson and Brown is an obvious improvement.

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With all due respect, I disagree with your reasoning on a couple of issues.

As I have mentioned before, Newell's "slumping" is a result of him playing in an offensive scheme that forces him to do more dribbling and shoot more threes than his normal game consists of. If Grant was receiving the ball within the key more often his numbers would be much better.

Newell and Larson play different positions. For the most part, the minutes allocated to each of them from a coaching standpoint are independent from each other.

More threes from Larson and less from Cone? Do you watch the games? Larson's ".375" is based on a grand total of 8 three point attempts. Obviously not a valid sample size.

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calumnus said:

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RedlessWardrobe said:

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calumnus said:

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Civil Bear said:

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Bear8995 said:

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Agree. Celestine hit a big 3 but his shot still seems a bit off.
Really worried about Newell. He has regressed quite a bit.
I think Larson needs to get more minutes. Hopefully Okafor is back soon.

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Celestine is shooting a scorching .477 from three. I like that he only shoots them when squared up.

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Brown is shooting .516 from 3. Getting Celestine and Brown (when he is in) more shots is a key to our improvement.

Madsen's starting five of Aimaq, Tyson, Celestine, Kennedy and Cone getting most of the minutes makes sense.

Newell is slumping. Larson getting the primary big minutes off the bench makes sense until Okafor is back. Larson is shooting .375 from 3, slightly better than Tyson.

Fewer threes for Cone and more for Celestine, Tyson, Larson and Brown is an obvious improvement.

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With all due respect, I disagree with your reasoning on a couple of issues.

As I have mentioned before, Newell's "slumping" is a result of him playing in an offensive scheme that forces him to do more dribbling and shoot more threes than his normal game consists of. If Grant was receiving the ball within the key more often his numbers would be much better.

Newell and Larson play different positions. For the most part, the minutes allocated to each of them from a coaching standpoint are independent from each other.

More threes from Larson and less from Cone? Do you watch the games? Larson's ".375" is based on a grand total of 8 three point attempts. Obviously not a valid sample size.

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I was more focused on Celestine and Brown shooting more but would feel remiss if I left out Larson and Tyson. I was basically agreeing with Civil about Larson playing more, but as far as his shooting, sure small sample size, but when he is in he needs to take that shot when open so more minutes is more shots.

The main point is we have a large sample size on Cone. Improving the team's play can be difficult, but a simple improvement is having your best shooters shoot more and you do that by intentionally getting them shots and having Cone be more selective.

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drizzlybear said:

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I know I might be on an island on this, but I feel like Cone is much better lately, and pretty much fine, wrt shot selection. It was really bad the first few weeks of the season, and I feel like some of the current perception is influenced by those first impressions. He did have a particularly egregious poor shot decision late in a recent game where Cal lost a close one. But overall I haven't really had a problem with his shot selection in recent weeks. I think he might've been pressing some when he was competing for minutes with Askew. The offense has settled and looked much better (we see it mostly in Tyson's recent surge over similar stretch) since Askew's situation came to a resolution.

Cone is an excellent shooter. He doesn't need a totally clean and set look to make a good percentage (but when he does it's almost like a free throw for him). His shooting plays a significant role in creating space for Tyson and Fardaws. I was critical of his shot selection early in the season, but I think it's been fine lately (with that one notable exception).

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drizzlybear said:

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I know I might be on an island on this, but I feel like Cone is much better lately, and pretty much fine, wrt shot selection. It was really bad the first few weeks of the season, and I feel like some of the current perception is influenced by those first impressions. He did have a particularly egregious poor shot decision late in a recent game where Cal lost a close one. But overall I haven't really had a problem with his shot selection in recent weeks. I think he might've been pressing some when he was competing for minutes with Askew. The offense has settled and looked much better (we see it mostly in Tyson's recent surge over similar stretch) since Askew's situation came to a resolution.

Cone is an excellent shooter. He doesn't need a totally clean and set look to make a good percentage (but when he does it's almost like a free throw for him). His shooting plays a significant role in creating space for Tyson and Fardaws. I was critical of his shot selection early in the season, but I think it's been fine lately (with that one notable exception).

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calumnus said:

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Civil Bear said:

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Bear8995 said:

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Agree. Celestine hit a big 3 but his shot still seems a bit off.
Really worried about Newell. He has regressed quite a bit.
I think Larson needs to get more minutes. Hopefully Okafor is back soon.

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Celestine is shooting a scorching .477 from three. I like that he only shoots them when squared up.

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Brown is shooting .516 from 3. Getting Celestine and Brown (when he is in) more shots is a key to our improvement.

Madsen's starting five of Aimaq, Tyson, Celestine, Kennedy and Cone getting most of the minutes makes sense.

Newell is slumping. Larson getting the primary big minutes off the bench makes sense until Okafor is back. Larson is shooting .375 from 3, slightly better than Tyson.

Fewer threes for Cone and more for Celestine, Tyson, Larson and Brown is an obvious improvement.

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RedlessWardrobe said:

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drizzlybear said:

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I know I might be on an island on this, but I feel like Cone is much better lately, and pretty much fine, wrt shot selection. It was really bad the first few weeks of the season, and I feel like some of the current perception is influenced by those first impressions. He did have a particularly egregious poor shot decision late in a recent game where Cal lost a close one. But overall I haven't really had a problem with his shot selection in recent weeks. I think he might've been pressing some when he was competing for minutes with Askew. The offense has settled and looked much better (we see it mostly in Tyson's recent surge over similar stretch) since Askew's situation came to a resolution.

Cone is an excellent shooter. He doesn't need a totally clean and set look to make a good percentage (but when he does it's almost like a free throw for him). His shooting plays a significant role in creating space for Tyson and Fardaws. I was critical of his shot selection early in the season, but I think it's been fine lately (with that one notable exception).

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Initially this season I was guilty to a certain extent of questioning how our half court offense could look so scattered. It was pointed out to me that despite the early practice period it would still take a certain amount of games to straighten things out. The issue that was driving me crazy as well as many others here, was turnovers, and now I admit that little by little the turnovers are reducing. I think there is also a correlation between the turnover issue and J Cone's shot selection on the offensive end. They both seem to be getting better.
Now I'm hoping the same thing will happen on the defensive end. We shall see.

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RedlessWardrobe said:

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drizzlybear said:

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I know I might be on an island on this, but I feel like Cone is much better lately, and pretty much fine, wrt shot selection. It was really bad the first few weeks of the season, and I feel like some of the current perception is influenced by those first impressions. He did have a particularly egregious poor shot decision late in a recent game where Cal lost a close one. But overall I haven't really had a problem with his shot selection in recent weeks. I think he might've been pressing some when he was competing for minutes with Askew. The offense has settled and looked much better (we see it mostly in Tyson's recent surge over similar stretch) since Askew's situation came to a resolution.

Cone is an excellent shooter. He doesn't need a totally clean and set look to make a good percentage (but when he does it's almost like a free throw for him). His shooting plays a significant role in creating space for Tyson and Fardaws. I was critical of his shot selection early in the season, but I think it's been fine lately (with that one notable exception).

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Initially this season I was guilty to a certain extent of questioning how our half court offense could look so scattered. It was pointed out to me that despite the early practice period it would still take a certain amount of games to straighten things out. The issue that was driving me crazy as well as many others here, was turnovers, and now I admit that little by little the turnovers are reducing. I think there is also a correlation between the turnover issue and J Cone's shot selection on the offensive end. They both seem to be getting better.
Now I'm hoping the same thing will happen on the defensive end. We shall see.

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Civil Bear said:

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Bear8995 said:

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Agree. Celestine hit a big 3 but his shot still seems a bit off.
Really worried about Newell. He has regressed quite a bit.
I think Larson needs to get more minutes. Hopefully Okafor is back soon.

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Celestine is shooting a scorching .477 from three. I like that he only shoots them when squared up.

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calumnus said:

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drizzlybear said:

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I know I might be on an island on this, but I feel like Cone is much better lately, and pretty much fine, wrt shot selection. It was really bad the first few weeks of the season, and I feel like some of the current perception is influenced by those first impressions. He did have a particularly egregious poor shot decision late in a recent game where Cal lost a close one. But overall I haven't really had a problem with his shot selection in recent weeks. I think he might've been pressing some when he was competing for minutes with Askew. The offense has settled and looked much better (we see it mostly in Tyson's recent surge over similar stretch) since Askew's situation came to a resolution.

Cone is an excellent shooter. He doesn't need a totally clean and set look to make a good percentage (but when he does it's almost like a free throw for him). His shooting plays a significant role in creating space for Tyson and Fardaws. I was critical of his shot selection early in the season, but I think it's been fine lately (with that one notable exception).

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It has devolved into a discussion of Cone (and other players) but I think, in keeping with the thread title, the idea is many of us want Madsen to get more open looks for Celestine from three as he is the best percentage 3 point shooter among our starters.

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