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Monty recommended him for us, right? We ignored it.
My understanding is that he was considered, part of the interview process, but the AD selected Cuonzo Martin instead (not surprising)bearsandgiants said:
Monty recommended him for us, right? We ignored it.
He was again considered as a replacement when Cuonzo left, but 'failed the interview' - or some such nonsense. When Wyking Jones was proclaimed the future of Calm Bbball. (very surprising - as there seemed to be a number of QUALIFIED candidates who were interested in the Cal position after Cuonzo).
But the memory is getting fuzzy, so someone else may recall better.
I have heart palpitations every time I think about the Wyking hire. Fox ended up being just as bad or worse but at least you could squint and think there was some logic at the time it was made.BeachedBear said:My understanding is that he was considered, part of the interview process, but the AD selected Cuonzo Martin instead (not surprising)bearsandgiants said:
Monty recommended him for us, right? We ignored it.
He was again considered as a replacement when Cuonzo left, but 'failed the interview' - or some such nonsense. When Wyking Jones was proclaimed the future of Calm Bbball. (very surprising - as there seemed to be a number of QUALIFIED candidates who were interested in the Cal position after Cuonzo).
But the memory is getting fuzzy, so someone else may recall better.
I wonder what our program would've looked like with DeCuire. I feel like he'd be Wilcox-plus... consistently middle of the pack, with one tourney appearance in there and a few NITs. Just competent enough to last forever here under an unambitious AD.
Looking back - it seems the Wyking hire exposed the overwhelming incompetence of our Ath Director and Cal's lack of support of revenue sports.concernedparent said:I have heart palpitations every time I think about the Wyking hire. Fox ended up being just as bad or worse but at least you could squint and think there was some logic at the time it was made.BeachedBear said:My understanding is that he was considered, part of the interview process, but the AD selected Cuonzo Martin instead (not surprising)bearsandgiants said:
Monty recommended him for us, right? We ignored it.
He was again considered as a replacement when Cuonzo left, but 'failed the interview' - or some such nonsense. When Wyking Jones was proclaimed the future of Calm Bbball. (very surprising - as there seemed to be a number of QUALIFIED candidates who were interested in the Cal position after Cuonzo).
But the memory is getting fuzzy, so someone else may recall better.
I wonder what our program would've looked like with DeCuire. I feel like he'd be Wilcox-plus... consistently middle of the pack, with one tourney appearance in there and a few NITs. Just competent enough to last forever here under an unambitious AD.
The FOX hire -and more importantly the subsequent handing of his tenure, demonstrated that Cal's support of revenue athletics at least required lip service (if not competence), which was a directional improvement. It also showed that Knowlton was in way over his head wrt P5 revenue sports.
Cuonzo Martin was always a carpetbagger at risk of leaving on a moment's notice, whereas DeCuire is not that kind of coach. On the other hand, to be fair to Martin, he had power-conference head coaching experience, and he brought Jaylen Brown to Berkeley.concernedparent said:I have heart palpitations every time I think about the Wyking hire. Fox ended up being just as bad or worse but at least you could squint and think there was some logic at the time it was made.BeachedBear said:My understanding is that he was considered, part of the interview process, but the AD selected Cuonzo Martin instead (not surprising)bearsandgiants said:
Monty recommended him for us, right? We ignored it.
He was again considered as a replacement when Cuonzo left, but 'failed the interview' - or some such nonsense. When Wyking Jones was proclaimed the future of Calm Bbball. (very surprising - as there seemed to be a number of QUALIFIED candidates who were interested in the Cal position after Cuonzo).
But the memory is getting fuzzy, so someone else may recall better.
I wonder what our program would've looked like with DeCuire. I feel like he'd be Wilcox-plus... consistently middle of the pack, with one tourney appearance in there and a few NITs. Just competent enough to last forever here under an unambitious AD.
^ this is an uninformed point of view, if cuonzo's 3.67 gpa son had not been wait listed & denied admission to berkeley roberta would've kept her family together in berkeley & the porter coup would've been another cal's monster class
Shocky1 said:
^ this is an uninformed point of view, if cuonzo's 3.67 gpa son had not been wait listed & denied admission to berkeley roberta would've kept her family together in berkeley & the porter coup would've been another cal's monster class
Do you think a coach's son with a 3.67 GPA should be admitted to the University of California? Was there anything in his application that made him exceptional enough to be here?
Good point. More importantly, he was terrible at Missouri, not to mention how poorly he exited Cal, so in the end, honestly not a loss. The only loss was the idiotic hire of Wyking when we had the buyout money from Missouri, some national recognition, and potential for a much better hire. Ugh. What a crazy missed opportunity.oski003 said:Shocky1 said:
^ this is an uninformed point of view, if cuonzo's 3.67 gpa son had not been wait listed & denied admission to berkeley roberta would've kept her family together in berkeley & the porter coup would've been another cal's monster class
Do you think a coach's son with a 3.67 GPA should be admitted to the University of California? Was there anything in his application that made him exceptional enough to be here?
What made him exceptional was his father. That may not be the answer Cal fans like as it arguably is against the ethos of the university. But this is a good example of Cal not doing what it takes to retain talent (Cuonzo) that it wanted to retain (at the time) and shooting itself in the foot.oski003 said:Shocky1 said:
^ this is an uninformed point of view, if cuonzo's 3.67 gpa son had not been wait listed & denied admission to berkeley roberta would've kept her family together in berkeley & the porter coup would've been another cal's monster class
Do you think a coach's son with a 3.67 GPA should be admitted to the University of California? Was there anything in his application that made him exceptional enough to be here?
He also happens to be African American and there seems to be a pretty strong desire to increase enrollment of that demographic. My guess is his GPA is probably not out of the range of acceptable GPAs for under represented minority groups/diversity admissions.
If you think winning basketball games is important and you know that admitting his son increases the likelihood of Cuonzo staying, then pretty much any school admits him. Stanford would. Michigan would. Virginia would. UCLA would.
Just to be clear, I'm not saying Cuonzo is a great coach. But at the time, Cal wanted him to stay. So you do what you need to do - unless you're Cal.
Hiring DeCuire would have been light years better than Wyking Jones.HKBear97! said:Good point. More importantly, he was terrible at Missouri, not to mention how poorly he exited Cal, so in the end, honestly not a loss. The only loss was the idiotic hire of Wyking when we had the buyout money from Missouri, some national recognition, and potential for a much better hire. Ugh. What a crazy missed opportunity.oski003 said:Shocky1 said:
^ this is an uninformed point of view, if cuonzo's 3.67 gpa son had not been wait listed & denied admission to berkeley roberta would've kept her family together in berkeley & the porter coup would've been another cal's monster class
Do you think a coach's son with a 3.67 GPA should be admitted to the University of California? Was there anything in his application that made him exceptional enough to be here?
Montana is certainly happy to have DeCuire. He is now their all-time leader in men's basketball coaching wins and has won at least 20 games there six times in 11 seasons.
Well, that's at least two (minority) candidates that have "failed the interview" with JK. What a coincidence. Maybe the problem isn't the interviewee, but the interviewer.
Now that football is going to be run by a "GM" and not the AD, how can JK's salary possibly be justified.
Now that football is going to be run by a "GM" and not the AD, how can JK's salary possibly be justified.
He's .622 @ Montana. How does that translate here? I have to agree with concerned parent probably Wilcox Plus maybe would have averaged about 18 wins a year since he took over from Monty, Lol. I honestly can't see him out recruiting mad dog. Probably about the same. Don't think you would get us into the top four in the ACC that is really going to be a tough nut to crack as we can all see.
Proposition 209 was in effect at the time Martin's son applied, so Cal could not legally give him preference because of his race.BearGoggles said:What made him exceptional was his father. That may not be the answer Cal fans like as it arguably is against the ethos of the university. But this is a good example of Cal not doing what it takes to retain talent (Cuonzo) that it wanted to retain (at the time) and shooting itself in the foot.oski003 said:Shocky1 said:
^ this is an uninformed point of view, if cuonzo's 3.67 gpa son had not been wait listed & denied admission to berkeley roberta would've kept her family together in berkeley & the porter coup would've been another cal's monster class
Do you think a coach's son with a 3.67 GPA should be admitted to the University of California? Was there anything in his application that made him exceptional enough to be here?
He also happens to be African American and there seems to be a pretty strong desire to increase enrollment of that demographic. My guess is his GPA is probably not out of the range of acceptable GPAs for under represented minority groups/diversity admissions.
If you think winning basketball games is important and you know that admitting his son increases the likelihood of Cuonzo staying, then pretty much any school admits him. Stanford would. Michigan would. Virginia would. UCLA would.
Just to be clear, I'm not saying Cuonzo is a great coach. But at the time, Cal wanted him to stay. So you do what you need to do - unless you're Cal.
mdbear said:Proposition 209 was in effect at the time Martin's son applied, so Cal could not legally give him preference because of his race.BearGoggles said:What made him exceptional was his father. That may not be the answer Cal fans like as it arguably is against the ethos of the university. But this is a good example of Cal not doing what it takes to retain talent (Cuonzo) that it wanted to retain (at the time) and shooting itself in the foot.oski003 said:Shocky1 said:
^ this is an uninformed point of view, if cuonzo's 3.67 gpa son had not been wait listed & denied admission to berkeley roberta would've kept her family together in berkeley & the porter coup would've been another cal's monster class
Do you think a coach's son with a 3.67 GPA should be admitted to the University of California? Was there anything in his application that made him exceptional enough to be here?
He also happens to be African American and there seems to be a pretty strong desire to increase enrollment of that demographic. My guess is his GPA is probably not out of the range of acceptable GPAs for under represented minority groups/diversity admissions.
If you think winning basketball games is important and you know that admitting his son increases the likelihood of Cuonzo staying, then pretty much any school admits him. Stanford would. Michigan would. Virginia would. UCLA would.
Just to be clear, I'm not saying Cuonzo is a great coach. But at the time, Cal wanted him to stay. So you do what you need to do - unless you're Cal.
This. Bill and I disagree on this topic. Nobel laurets do not get legacy admission privileges and they absolutely bring in a bigger net than Martin.could. nor do big donors. The moment cal goes down the legacy rat hole i am out.
That's so awesome. Another great coach in Monty's coaching tree.HoopDreams said:
" Travis DeCuire leads Montana to a Big Sky Tournament title and a trip to the NCAA Tournament for the third time in his tenure."
Dennis Gates had a great season at Mizzou and will make the Big Dance.
Pasternack has UCSB in the BWT semis v. UCSD right now.
All these potential coaches who would have taken the job here and could have made us a Big Dance team by now had we hired them before Fox and Wyking. Good job Mike and Jim!
oski003 said:Shocky1 said:
^ this is an uninformed point of view, if cuonzo's 3.67 gpa son had not been wait listed & denied admission to berkeley roberta would've kept her family together in berkeley & the porter coup would've been another cal's monster class
Do you think a coach's son with a 3.67 GPA should be admitted to the University of California? Was there anything in his application that made him exceptional enough to be here?
Didn't Tedford get two of his sons in? What were their GPAs? We have had numerous sons of NBA greats as preferred walk-ons. If Martin's son was denied as a preferred walk-on with a 3.67, then I would be pissed if I were him too. If it was just normal admissions without a basketball tag…. Then yeah, you can't expect that to happen.
KoreAmBear said:That's so awesome. Another great coach in Monty's coaching tree.HoopDreams said:
" Travis DeCuire leads Montana to a Big Sky Tournament title and a trip to the NCAA Tournament for the third time in his tenure."
Dennis Gates had a great season at Mizzou and will make the Big Dance.
Pasternack has UCSB in the BWT semis v. UCSD right now.
All these potential coaches who would have taken the job here and could have made us a Big Dance team by now had we hired them before Fox and Wyking. Good job Mike and Jim!
My brother says Kyle Smith has really wanted Cal ever since ever, but was extremely happy to wind up at Stanford.
calumnus said:oski003 said:Shocky1 said:
^ this is an uninformed point of view, if cuonzo's 3.67 gpa son had not been wait listed & denied admission to berkeley roberta would've kept her family together in berkeley & the porter coup would've been another cal's monster class
Do you think a coach's son with a 3.67 GPA should be admitted to the University of California? Was there anything in his application that made him exceptional enough to be here?
Didn't Tedford get two of his sons in? What were their GPAs? We have had numerous sons of NBA greats as preferred walk-ons. If Martin's son was denied as a preferred walk-on with a 3.67, then I would be pissed if I were him too. If it was just normal admissions without a basketball tag…. Then yeah, you can't expect that to happen.
I didn't realize Cuonzo's son was good enough at basketball to take a preferred walkon spot on a D1 roster. If the coach is willing to give him a spot, his admissions should have been evaluated as such. I do know that Tedford was at Cal for a much longer time before his sons were admitted. Perhaps they were more prepared in their applications, but I do not know that.
oski003 said:calumnus said:oski003 said:Shocky1 said:
^ this is an uninformed point of view, if cuonzo's 3.67 gpa son had not been wait listed & denied admission to berkeley roberta would've kept her family together in berkeley & the porter coup would've been another cal's monster class
Do you think a coach's son with a 3.67 GPA should be admitted to the University of California? Was there anything in his application that made him exceptional enough to be here?
Didn't Tedford get two of his sons in? What were their GPAs? We have had numerous sons of NBA greats as preferred walk-ons. If Martin's son was denied as a preferred walk-on with a 3.67, then I would be pissed if I were him too. If it was just normal admissions without a basketball tag…. Then yeah, you can't expect that to happen.
I didn't realize Cuonzo's son was good enough at basketball to take a preferred walkon spot on a D1 roster. If the coach is willing to give him a spot, his admissions should have been evaluated as such. I do know that Tedford was at Cal for a much longer time before his sons were admitted. Perhaps they were more prepared in their applications, but I do not know that.
Taylor Tedford was a walk-on QB at Cal and he didn't even play QB at Monte Vista, he was a small possession WR. Quinn was a very undersized FB (played DB at Monte Vista). The ONLY reason Tedford gave them preferred walk-on slots was because they were his sons.
Most basketball teams have 15 or more slots but go 8 deep, 10 at the most, it is easy enough for a coach to bring in his son (with a 3.67 gpa he is UC eligible) as a preferred walk on if only for year one. Then he can leave the team and just be a student (see Jules Erving).
I don't know anything about the situation with Martin's son, except that he should have brought him in as a walk-on and Cal should have let him.
My recollection is that this was NOT about a scholarship (or even being on the basketball team), but about preferred admission to Cal. But the bigger picture is probably about how Martin and the administration were interacting with each other at all levels. I seem to recall a number of issues during his tenure around contract negotiations, staffing, investigations, etc.oski003 said:calumnus said:oski003 said:Shocky1 said:
^ this is an uninformed point of view, if cuonzo's 3.67 gpa son had not been wait listed & denied admission to berkeley roberta would've kept her family together in berkeley & the porter coup would've been another cal's monster class
Do you think a coach's son with a 3.67 GPA should be admitted to the University of California? Was there anything in his application that made him exceptional enough to be here?
Didn't Tedford get two of his sons in? What were their GPAs? We have had numerous sons of NBA greats as preferred walk-ons. If Martin's son was denied as a preferred walk-on with a 3.67, then I would be pissed if I were him too. If it was just normal admissions without a basketball tag…. Then yeah, you can't expect that to happen.
I didn't realize Cuonzo's son was good enough at basketball to take a preferred walkon spot on a D1 roster. If the coach is willing to give him a spot, his admissions should have been evaluated as such. I do know that Tedford was at Cal for a much longer time before his sons were admitted. Perhaps they were more prepared in their applications, but I do not know that.
It just seems to me (and I have seen this in the corporate world many times) that it was a bad fit, where one party needs a certain level of 'respect' and the other party is not capable of supporting that. In these cases, it is always best to part ways and many excuses can be found to justify that more fundamental issue.
calumnus said:oski003 said:calumnus said:oski003 said:Shocky1 said:
^ this is an uninformed point of view, if cuonzo's 3.67 gpa son had not been wait listed & denied admission to berkeley roberta would've kept her family together in berkeley & the porter coup would've been another cal's monster class
Do you think a coach's son with a 3.67 GPA should be admitted to the University of California? Was there anything in his application that made him exceptional enough to be here?
Didn't Tedford get two of his sons in? What were their GPAs? We have had numerous sons of NBA greats as preferred walk-ons. If Martin's son was denied as a preferred walk-on with a 3.67, then I would be pissed if I were him too. If it was just normal admissions without a basketball tag…. Then yeah, you can't expect that to happen.
I didn't realize Cuonzo's son was good enough at basketball to take a preferred walkon spot on a D1 roster. If the coach is willing to give him a spot, his admissions should have been evaluated as such. I do know that Tedford was at Cal for a much longer time before his sons were admitted. Perhaps they were more prepared in their applications, but I do not know that.
Taylor Tedford was a walk-on QB at Cal and he didn't even play QB at Monte Vista, he was a small possession WR. Quinn was a very undersized FB (played DB at Monte Vista). The ONLY reason Tedford gave them preferred walk-on slots was because they were his sons.
Most basketball teams have 15 or more slots but go 8 deep, 10 at the most, it is easy enough for a coach to bring in his son (with a 3.67 gpa he is UC eligible) as a preferred walk on if only for year one. Then he can leave the team and just be a student (see Jules Erving).
I don't know anything about the situation with Martin's son, except that he should have brought him in as a walk-on and Cal should have let him.
Which I why I said that he should have been admitted if he met the minimum requirements to enroll at Cal.
Kyle Smith was my first choice - seemed like an absolute "no brainer" at the time. Successful head coach, experience at a prestigious university like Cal, and knowledgeable/familiar with the Bay Area. Instead they hired Mark Fox. Feel a little nauseous whenever I think of that missed opportunity.calumnus said:KoreAmBear said:That's so awesome. Another great coach in Monty's coaching tree.HoopDreams said:
" Travis DeCuire leads Montana to a Big Sky Tournament title and a trip to the NCAA Tournament for the third time in his tenure."
Dennis Gates had a great season at Mizzou and will make the Big Dance.
Pasternack has UCSB in the BWT semis v. UCSD right now.
All these potential coaches who would have taken the job here and could have made us a Big Dance team by now had we hired them before Fox and Wyking. Good job Mike and Jim!
My brother says Kyle Smith has really wanted Cal ever since ever, but was extremely happy to wind up at Stanford.
Should he? What about noble prize winners? What about the Haas family? What about state senators and assembly members and THEIR kids? I can argue (easily) that the above all bring in far greater Net than Martin did.oski003 said:calumnus said:oski003 said:calumnus said:oski003 said:Shocky1 said:
^ this is an uninformed point of view, if cuonzo's 3.67 gpa son had not been wait listed & denied admission to berkeley roberta would've kept her family together in berkeley & the porter coup would've been another cal's monster class
Do you think a coach's son with a 3.67 GPA should be admitted to the University of California? Was there anything in his application that made him exceptional enough to be here?
Didn't Tedford get two of his sons in? What were their GPAs? We have had numerous sons of NBA greats as preferred walk-ons. If Martin's son was denied as a preferred walk-on with a 3.67, then I would be pissed if I were him too. If it was just normal admissions without a basketball tag…. Then yeah, you can't expect that to happen.
I didn't realize Cuonzo's son was good enough at basketball to take a preferred walkon spot on a D1 roster. If the coach is willing to give him a spot, his admissions should have been evaluated as such. I do know that Tedford was at Cal for a much longer time before his sons were admitted. Perhaps they were more prepared in their applications, but I do not know that.
Taylor Tedford was a walk-on QB at Cal and he didn't even play QB at Monte Vista, he was a small possession WR. Quinn was a very undersized FB (played DB at Monte Vista). The ONLY reason Tedford gave them preferred walk-on slots was because they were his sons.
Most basketball teams have 15 or more slots but go 8 deep, 10 at the most, it is easy enough for a coach to bring in his son (with a 3.67 gpa he is UC eligible) as a preferred walk on if only for year one. Then he can leave the team and just be a student (see Jules Erving).
I don't know anything about the situation with Martin's son, except that he should have brought him in as a walk-on and Cal should have let him.
Which I why I said that he should have been admitted if he met the minimum requirements to enroll at Cal.
I do not have visibility to the admission of Tedford's kids. But 2 wrongs never make a right (if that is true).
MOREVOVER, a 3.6 in High school, in an era of weighted AP courses, is NOT Cal competitive.
socaltownie said:Should he? What about noble prize winners? What about the Haas family? What about state senators and assembly members and THEIR kids? I can argue (easily) that the above all bring in far greater Net than Martin did.oski003 said:calumnus said:oski003 said:calumnus said:oski003 said:Shocky1 said:
^ this is an uninformed point of view, if cuonzo's 3.67 gpa son had not been wait listed & denied admission to berkeley roberta would've kept her family together in berkeley & the porter coup would've been another cal's monster class
Do you think a coach's son with a 3.67 GPA should be admitted to the University of California? Was there anything in his application that made him exceptional enough to be here?
Didn't Tedford get two of his sons in? What were their GPAs? We have had numerous sons of NBA greats as preferred walk-ons. If Martin's son was denied as a preferred walk-on with a 3.67, then I would be pissed if I were him too. If it was just normal admissions without a basketball tag…. Then yeah, you can't expect that to happen.
I didn't realize Cuonzo's son was good enough at basketball to take a preferred walkon spot on a D1 roster. If the coach is willing to give him a spot, his admissions should have been evaluated as such. I do know that Tedford was at Cal for a much longer time before his sons were admitted. Perhaps they were more prepared in their applications, but I do not know that.
Taylor Tedford was a walk-on QB at Cal and he didn't even play QB at Monte Vista, he was a small possession WR. Quinn was a very undersized FB (played DB at Monte Vista). The ONLY reason Tedford gave them preferred walk-on slots was because they were his sons.
Most basketball teams have 15 or more slots but go 8 deep, 10 at the most, it is easy enough for a coach to bring in his son (with a 3.67 gpa he is UC eligible) as a preferred walk on if only for year one. Then he can leave the team and just be a student (see Jules Erving).
I don't know anything about the situation with Martin's son, except that he should have brought him in as a walk-on and Cal should have let him.
Which I why I said that he should have been admitted if he met the minimum requirements to enroll at Cal.
I do not have visibility to the admission of Tedford's kids. But 2 wrongs never make a right (if that is true).
MOREVOVER, a 3.6 in High school, in an era of weighted AP courses, is NOT Cal competitive.
As long as he is taking a roster spot on the basketball team, he can qualify as a preferred athletic admission. He should not be admitted if he has no intention of playing basketball. He ended up being on academic honors three years at Purdue and got his masters in computer science. Tedford's sons successfully entered college coaching.
IIRC, Cuonzo Martin's son didn't play basketball in high school, making him quite a stretch as a PWO. (If I am mistaken, somebody correct me.)
We all know they do. They just have to hide it. They have adopted work arounds, particularly for students who meet the general requirements.mdbear said:Proposition 209 was in effect at the time Martin's son applied, so Cal could not legally give him preference because of his race.BearGoggles said:What made him exceptional was his father. That may not be the answer Cal fans like as it arguably is against the ethos of the university. But this is a good example of Cal not doing what it takes to retain talent (Cuonzo) that it wanted to retain (at the time) and shooting itself in the foot.oski003 said:Shocky1 said:
^ this is an uninformed point of view, if cuonzo's 3.67 gpa son had not been wait listed & denied admission to berkeley roberta would've kept her family together in berkeley & the porter coup would've been another cal's monster class
Do you think a coach's son with a 3.67 GPA should be admitted to the University of California? Was there anything in his application that made him exceptional enough to be here?
He also happens to be African American and there seems to be a pretty strong desire to increase enrollment of that demographic. My guess is his GPA is probably not out of the range of acceptable GPAs for under represented minority groups/diversity admissions.
If you think winning basketball games is important and you know that admitting his son increases the likelihood of Cuonzo staying, then pretty much any school admits him. Stanford would. Michigan would. Virginia would. UCLA would.
Just to be clear, I'm not saying Cuonzo is a great coach. But at the time, Cal wanted him to stay. So you do what you need to do - unless you're Cal.
But to my larger point, in this particular case, they knew it was Cuonzo's kid. With his decent (not great) academic metrics, he would have been guaranteed admission at pretty much any other school solely to make the basketball coach happy. But Cal doesn't care about those things, for better or worse.
BearGoggles said:We all know they do. They just have to hide it. They have adopted work arounds, particularly for students who meet the general requirements.mdbear said:Proposition 209 was in effect at the time Martin's son applied, so Cal could not legally give him preference because of his race.BearGoggles said:What made him exceptional was his father. That may not be the answer Cal fans like as it arguably is against the ethos of the university. But this is a good example of Cal not doing what it takes to retain talent (Cuonzo) that it wanted to retain (at the time) and shooting itself in the foot.oski003 said:Shocky1 said:
^ this is an uninformed point of view, if cuonzo's 3.67 gpa son had not been wait listed & denied admission to berkeley roberta would've kept her family together in berkeley & the porter coup would've been another cal's monster class
Do you think a coach's son with a 3.67 GPA should be admitted to the University of California? Was there anything in his application that made him exceptional enough to be here?
He also happens to be African American and there seems to be a pretty strong desire to increase enrollment of that demographic. My guess is his GPA is probably not out of the range of acceptable GPAs for under represented minority groups/diversity admissions.
If you think winning basketball games is important and you know that admitting his son increases the likelihood of Cuonzo staying, then pretty much any school admits him. Stanford would. Michigan would. Virginia would. UCLA would.
Just to be clear, I'm not saying Cuonzo is a great coach. But at the time, Cal wanted him to stay. So you do what you need to do - unless you're Cal.
But to my larger point, in this particular case, they knew it was Cuonzo's kid. With his decent (not great) academic metrics, he would have been guaranteed admission at pretty much any other school solely to make the basketball coach happy. But Cal doesn't care about those things, for better or worse.
Officially, no, and there was no Affirmative Action help at Cal for my African American daughter despite a 2300 SAT and a 4.1 GPA, 1st place in the Fremont citywide science fair, a paid speakership with Stanford's Graduate School of Education , a competitive swimmer…Cal was her dream school since attending Cal games ever year since infancy. She got in at UCSD only on appeal where she was one of only 200 Black freshmen in a class of over 5,000 (0.4%).
Likewise Smith's successor at USF, Todd Golden. He's in his third year at Florida with a 29-4 record this season. Although there were some recent sexual harassment allegations, an investigation cleared him. I bet Cal could have had him in 2022 but no, they held on to Fox for a disastrous final season.HKBear97! said:Kyle Smith was my first choice - seemed like an absolute "no brainer" at the time. Successful head coach, experience at a prestigious university like Cal, and knowledgeable/familiar with the Bay Area. Instead they hired Mark Fox. Feel a little nauseous whenever I think of that missed opportunity.calumnus said:KoreAmBear said:That's so awesome. Another great coach in Monty's coaching tree.HoopDreams said:
" Travis DeCuire leads Montana to a Big Sky Tournament title and a trip to the NCAA Tournament for the third time in his tenure."
Dennis Gates had a great season at Mizzou and will make the Big Dance.
Pasternack has UCSB in the BWT semis v. UCSD right now.
All these potential coaches who would have taken the job here and could have made us a Big Dance team by now had we hired them before Fox and Wyking. Good job Mike and Jim!
My brother says Kyle Smith has really wanted Cal ever since ever, but was extremely happy to wind up at Stanford.
HearstMining said:Likewise Smith's successor at USF, Todd Golden. He's in his third year at Florida with a 29-4 record this season. Although there were some recent sexual harassment allegations, an investigation cleared him. I bet Cal could have had him in 2022 but no, they held on to Fox for a disastrous final season.HKBear97! said:Kyle Smith was my first choice - seemed like an absolute "no brainer" at the time. Successful head coach, experience at a prestigious university like Cal, and knowledgeable/familiar with the Bay Area. Instead they hired Mark Fox. Feel a little nauseous whenever I think of that missed opportunity.calumnus said:KoreAmBear said:That's so awesome. Another great coach in Monty's coaching tree.HoopDreams said:
" Travis DeCuire leads Montana to a Big Sky Tournament title and a trip to the NCAA Tournament for the third time in his tenure."
Dennis Gates had a great season at Mizzou and will make the Big Dance.
Pasternack has UCSB in the BWT semis v. UCSD right now.
All these potential coaches who would have taken the job here and could have made us a Big Dance team by now had we hired them before Fox and Wyking. Good job Mike and Jim!
My brother says Kyle Smith has really wanted Cal ever since ever, but was extremely happy to wind up at Stanford.
Knowlton's idiotic extension of Fox's contract "for COVID" probably played a role.
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