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Two unrelated questions.
I've always wondered why some conference tournaments end on Saturday (ACC) and some end on Sunday. It doesn't seem to be prestige or any other sorting of which conferences choose to wait until hours before the Selection Committee announces. Any theories?
Second, how long will it take for Cal to Dance again? Next year, 2027, or "try next decade?"

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barsad said:

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Two unrelated questions.
I've always wondered why some conference tournaments end on Saturday (ACC) and some end on Sunday. It doesn't seem to be prestige or any other sorting of which conferences choose to wait until hours before the Selection Committee announces. Any theories?
Second, how long will it take for Cal to Dance again? Next year, 2027, or "try next decade?"

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HKBear97! said:

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barsad said:

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Two unrelated questions.
I've always wondered why some conference tournaments end on Saturday (ACC) and some end on Sunday. It doesn't seem to be prestige or any other sorting of which conferences choose to wait until hours before the Selection Committee announces. Any theories?
Second, how long will it take for Cal to Dance again? Next year, 2027, or "try next decade?"

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Good question, was wondering that myself. Tradition perhaps?

As for Cal, let's see, need a minimum of 20 wins to even be considered for the dance. At Madsen's current rate that would mean 15 wins in 2026, 16 in 2027.....20 in 2031, so my guess is next decade!

Another question, exactly how many bids will the SEC get and then how well do we think they will actually do in the tournament?

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barsad said:

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Current automatic bids….
America East: Bryant
ASUN: Lipscomb
Big 12: Houston
Big Sky: Montana
Big South: High Point
CAA: UNC Wilmington
Horizon League: Robert Morris
MEAC: Norfolk St.
Missouri Valley: Drake
Mountain West: Colorado St.
Northeast: St. Francis
Ohio Valley: Southern Illinois-Edwardsville
Patriot League: American
Southern: Wofford
Southland: McNeese State
Summit League: Omaha
Sun Belt: Troy
West Coast: Gonzaga

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Johnfox said:

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Not happening this year with the house settlement. People ain't wasting 1 million bucks on a player like stoj or wilkinson. 3 million cap for all teams

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oskidunker said:

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barsad said:

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Current automatic bids….
America East: Bryant
ASUN: Lipscomb
Big 12: Houston
Big Sky: Montana
Big South: High Point
CAA: UNC Wilmington
Horizon League: Robert Morris
MEAC: Norfolk St.
Missouri Valley: Drake
Mountain West: Colorado St.
Northeast: St. Francis
Ohio Valley: Southern Illinois-Edwardsville
Patriot League: American
Southern: Wofford
Southland: McNeese State
Summit League: Omaha
Sun Belt: Troy
West Coast: Gonzaga

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We need better players. Hopefully we get some and the good ones we have stay.

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barsad said:

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UAB could be a bid stealer…

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barsad said:

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Two unrelated questions.
I've always wondered why some conference tournaments end on Saturday (ACC) and some end on Sunday. It doesn't seem to be prestige or any other sorting of which conferences choose to wait until hours before the Selection Committee announces. Any theories?
Second, how long will it take for Cal to Dance again? Next year, 2027, or "try next decade?"

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mbBear said:

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barsad said:

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Two unrelated questions.
I've always wondered why some conference tournaments end on Saturday (ACC) and some end on Sunday. It doesn't seem to be prestige or any other sorting of which conferences choose to wait until hours before the Selection Committee announces. Any theories?
Second, how long will it take for Cal to Dance again? Next year, 2027, or "try next decade?"

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This is coordinated with TV rights holders.

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Johnfox said:

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Not happening this year with the house settlement. People ain't wasting 1 million bucks on a player like stoj or wilkinson. 3 million cap for all teams

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sycasey said:

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Pretty shocked that UNC got in after Louisville got stuck with an 8 seed! They still love the brand names.

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barsad said:

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sycasey said:

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Pretty shocked that UNC got in after Louisville got stuck with an 8 seed! They still love the brand names.

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UNC was a shocker (1-12 in Quad 1 games!), but so was Texas with 19 wins.
Then Stanford and Santa Clara gets the NIT, and San Jose St. is in the NIT with only 15 wins? I guess because it's a host institution? Not sure.
But Cal and USF are the only two Bay Area schools without a dance partner.

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sycasey said:

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barsad said:

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sycasey said:

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Pretty shocked that UNC got in after Louisville got stuck with an 8 seed! They still love the brand names.

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UNC was a shocker (1-12 in Quad 1 games!), but so was Texas with 19 wins.
Then Stanford and Santa Clara gets the NIT, and San Jose St. is in the NIT with only 15 wins? I guess because it's a host institution? Not sure.
But Cal and USF are the only two Bay Area schools without a dance partner.

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I've looked into it and it seems like UNC had the best advanced metrics/computer ratings were the best of the bubble teams. They had a bad record in Quad 1 because they only played teams at the top top of that quad. So I suppose that is defensible.

West Virginia is the team that almost everyone had getting in and got snubbed. In fact, they aren't in any postseason tournament! I assume they just turned down the NIT or CBC bids?

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BearSD said:

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sycasey said:

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barsad said:

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sycasey said:

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Pretty shocked that UNC got in after Louisville got stuck with an 8 seed! They still love the brand names.

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UNC was a shocker (1-12 in Quad 1 games!), but so was Texas with 19 wins.
Then Stanford and Santa Clara gets the NIT, and San Jose St. is in the NIT with only 15 wins? I guess because it's a host institution? Not sure.
But Cal and USF are the only two Bay Area schools without a dance partner.

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I've looked into it and it seems like UNC had the best advanced metrics/computer ratings were the best of the bubble teams. They had a bad record in Quad 1 because they only played teams at the top top of that quad. So I suppose that is defensible.

West Virginia is the team that almost everyone had getting in and got snubbed. In fact, they aren't in any postseason tournament! I assume they just turned down the NIT or CBC bids?

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ESPN and the rest of the media's exaggerated outrage machine are wrong about West Virginia, Indiana, Boise, etc. Their fallacy is that if Texas and UNC were not truly deserving, then someone else must deserve their places. A more realistic way of looking at it is that the bubble is full of teams that have, at best, a very weak argument for deserving a spot, and the committee has to pick two or three out of the not-really-deserving pile of teams.

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sycasey said:

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BearSD said:

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sycasey said:

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barsad said:

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sycasey said:

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Pretty shocked that UNC got in after Louisville got stuck with an 8 seed! They still love the brand names.

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UNC was a shocker (1-12 in Quad 1 games!), but so was Texas with 19 wins.
Then Stanford and Santa Clara gets the NIT, and San Jose St. is in the NIT with only 15 wins? I guess because it's a host institution? Not sure.
But Cal and USF are the only two Bay Area schools without a dance partner.

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I've looked into it and it seems like UNC had the best advanced metrics/computer ratings were the best of the bubble teams. They had a bad record in Quad 1 because they only played teams at the top top of that quad. So I suppose that is defensible.

West Virginia is the team that almost everyone had getting in and got snubbed. In fact, they aren't in any postseason tournament! I assume they just turned down the NIT or CBC bids?

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ESPN and the rest of the media's exaggerated outrage machine are wrong about West Virginia, Indiana, Boise, etc. Their fallacy is that if Texas and UNC were not truly deserving, then someone else must deserve their places. A more realistic way of looking at it is that the bubble is full of teams that have, at best, a very weak argument for deserving a spot, and the committee has to pick two or three out of the not-really-deserving pile of teams.

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Sure, but still you can argue about who is best or most deserving of that group. Having looked deeper into it, I can't necessarily say UNC is a bad selection, as the computer metrics loved them (again, as compared to the others on the bubble).

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Addicted-to-TopDog said:

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Stojo and Wilkinson will be looking for $1M each, maybe more once all the big boys come calling.

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barsad said:

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sycasey said:

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Pretty shocked that UNC got in after Louisville got stuck with an 8 seed! They still love the brand names.

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UNC was a shocker (1-12 in Quad 1 games!), but so was Texas with 19 wins.
Then Stanford, USF and Santa Clara gets the NIT, and San Jose St. is in the NIT with only 15 wins? I guess because it's a host institution? Not sure.
Cal is the only Bay Area school without a dance partner.

Just saw that even Crown said "no thanks." Or maybe we did!
https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/ncaab/2025/03/17/college-basketball-crown-schedule-bracket-teams-what-to-know/82490071007/

College Basketball Crown 2025 teams

Teams listed in alphabetical order
Arizona State
Boise State
Butler
Central Florida
Cincinnati
Colorado
DePaul
Georgetown
George Washington
Nebraska
Oregon State
Southern California
Tulane
Utah
Villanova
Washington State

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sycasey said:

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West Virginia is the team that almost everyone had getting in and got snubbed. In fact, they aren't in any postseason tournament! I assume they just turned down the NIT or CBC bids?

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BearSD said:

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sycasey said:

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West Virginia is the team that almost everyone had getting in and got snubbed. In fact, they aren't in any postseason tournament! I assume they just turned down the NIT or CBC bids?

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Maybe because WVU's coach was finalizing a deal to become Indiana's new coach.

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BearSD said:

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sycasey said:

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BearSD said:

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sycasey said:

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barsad said:

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sycasey said:

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Pretty shocked that UNC got in after Louisville got stuck with an 8 seed! They still love the brand names.

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UNC was a shocker (1-12 in Quad 1 games!), but so was Texas with 19 wins.
Then Stanford and Santa Clara gets the NIT, and San Jose St. is in the NIT with only 15 wins? I guess because it's a host institution? Not sure.
But Cal and USF are the only two Bay Area schools without a dance partner.

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I've looked into it and it seems like UNC had the best advanced metrics/computer ratings were the best of the bubble teams. They had a bad record in Quad 1 because they only played teams at the top top of that quad. So I suppose that is defensible.

West Virginia is the team that almost everyone had getting in and got snubbed. In fact, they aren't in any postseason tournament! I assume they just turned down the NIT or CBC bids?

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ESPN and the rest of the media's exaggerated outrage machine are wrong about West Virginia, Indiana, Boise, etc. Their fallacy is that if Texas and UNC were not truly deserving, then someone else must deserve their places. A more realistic way of looking at it is that the bubble is full of teams that have, at best, a very weak argument for deserving a spot, and the committee has to pick two or three out of the not-really-deserving pile of teams.

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Sure, but still you can argue about who is best or most deserving of that group. Having looked deeper into it, I can't necessarily say UNC is a bad selection, as the computer metrics loved them (again, as compared to the others on the bubble).

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We can argue, but no one got "robbed". If my neighbor wins the lottery and I don't, I didn't get robbed just because he got something he didn't earn and I didn't get something I didn't earn.

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