I love College Hoops.
America Loves College Hoops
I love Cal.
Monty runs a great program...on the RISE!

So, turn on the game last night, was thrilled it was on MY TV in HD! Great stuff,

Very sparse turnout. (<5K) <wish i could be there but we live in San Diego)

Then I turn on KNBR and 957TheGame this morning. Both stations in their morning sports updates mentioned nothing about the Cal win, or the Cobbs injury. WTF?

Even KateScott said she didn't have enough time.

That helps to explain why there is so little interest! Really we need to slam 680 and 95.7 with twitter bombs and let them know we want to be included in the Bay Area sports scene. What were they talking about this morning?

The Miami Freekin Dolphins dysfunctional clubhouse. YAWN

#MauiHereWeCome #GOBEARS

:rant:rant:headbang:headbang

The Bay Area media have always been indifferent (at best) to college sports.

FWIW we made most Bay Area local TV news sports beat segments last night and this morning, with most picking up on the Cobbs injury scare with an oh-by-the-way-Cal-routed thrown in at the end. Radnich gave us time on KRON and Mark Ibanez gave us time on KTVU.

Students were an embarrassment last night.
Terrible attendance.
I was there, great win, our team is good an has great potential.
AD needs to get our students to the games.
Let's start there

GoldenBear1;842221532 said:

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Students were an embarrassment last night.
Terrible attendance.
I was there, great win, our team is good an has great potential.
AD needs to get our students to the games.
Let's start there

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Every year -- at almost every school -- the "attendance is an embarrassment" posts come out, especially during the non-conference schedule.

Here's the facts: very few people give a crap about these games! This is how it has always been! If you think other schools don't have the same problem you're wrong. It's especially bad at urban schools in cities with pro sports teams because they don't get the general community support as in places like Madison, but no one gets big crowds against schools like Denver or Coppin State.

If a team (any team) starts the year in the top 10 maybe people come to these games, but even then they generally don't. If the team is doing well then the crowds at conference games will be good, beyond that there's not much to hope for. Blaming the AD for attendance at games like this is as misguided as blaming the AD for the color of the numbers on the uniform.

antipattern;842221590 said:

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Every year -- at almost every school -- the "attendance is an embarrassment" posts come out, especially during the non-conference schedule.

Here's the facts: very few people give a crap about these games! This is how it has always been! If you think other schools don't have the same problem you're wrong. It's especially bad at urban schools in cities with pro sports teams because they don't get the general community support as in places like Madison, but no one gets big crowds against schools like Denver or Coppin State.

If a team (any team) starts the year in the top 10 maybe people come to these games, but even then they generally don't. If the team is doing well then the crowds at conference games will be good, beyond that there's not much to hope for. Blaming the AD for attendance at games like this is as misguided as blaming the AD for the color of the numbers on the uniform.

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Speaking of which, they should fix the colors on the uniform numbers and names. It's really hard to read, especially the names which don't have the blue outlines over the gold lettering.

atoms;842221595 said:

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Speaking of which, they should fix the colors on the uniform numbers and names. It's really hard to read, especially the names which don't have the blue outlines over the gold lettering.

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Yes, thank you, great point!

:headbang

http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/sports/college/mensbasketball/story/2012-03-08/college-basketball-concerns-attendance-drop/53424996/1

But yeah, blame the AD.

antipattern;842221596 said:

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Yes, thank you, great point!

:headbang

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:acclaim:

There's a "natural" pecking order in Bay Area sports and right now, college MBB is near the bottom of the totem pole. I'd call that order, in importance but seasonal: Niners/Raider, Giants/A's, Warriors, Sharks, Cal or Stanfurd FB (whichever is hotter)...then college MBB. Pro FB and baseball switch off, seasonally. The majority/general viewing public only watches college hoops in Feb and March..i.e., after the super bowl, before spring baseball.

antipattern;842221590 said:

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Every year -- at almost every school -- the "attendance is an embarrassment" posts come out, especially during the non-conference schedule.

Here's the facts: very few people give a crap about these games! This is how it has always been! If you think other schools don't have the same problem you're wrong. It's especially bad at urban schools in cities with pro sports teams because they don't get the general community support as in places like Madison, but no one gets big crowds against schools like Denver or Coppin State.

If a team (any team) starts the year in the top 10 maybe people come to these games, but even then they generally don't. If the team is doing well then the crowds at conference games will be good, beyond that there's not much to hope for. Blaming the AD for attendance at games like this is as misguided as blaming the AD for the color of the numbers on the uniform.

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official attendance was under 5k. That's pretty bad.

The #25 team in the country this week is Virginia. They're a fairly similar school to us. They had attendance of just under 12k for their opener and just under 14k for their 2nd game.

In conference, Colorado had over 8k for their home opener. Washington had over 6k. Furd had 7k for Bucknell.

boredom;842221611 said:

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official attendance was under 5k. That's pretty bad.

The #25 team in the country this week is Virginia. They're a fairly similar school to us. They had attendance of just under 12k for their opener and just under 14k for their 2nd game.

In conference, Colorado had over 8k for their home opener. Washington had over 6k. Furd had 7k for Bucknell.

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Charlottesville is not near any cities with pro teams, that makes a huge difference. The other differences are marginal, and our home opener was at a terrible time.

I was there.

antipattern;842221590 said:

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Every year -- at almost every school -- the "attendance is an embarrassment" posts come out, especially during the non-conference schedule.

Here's the facts: very few people give a crap about these games! This is how it has always been! If you think other schools don't have the same problem you're wrong. It's especially bad at urban schools in cities with pro sports teams because they don't get the general community support as in places like Madison, but no one gets big crowds against schools like Denver or Coppin State.

If a team (any team) starts the year in the top 10 maybe people come to these games, but even then they generally don't. If the team is doing well then the crowds at conference games will be good, beyond that there's not much to hope for. Blaming the AD for attendance at games like this is as misguided as blaming the AD for the color of the numbers on the uniform.

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Had we landed Aaron Gordon I bet the stands would be full. I remember the two years Kidd was here you couldn't get a ticket at Harmon albeit it held fewer people back then. Many games were moved to the Oakland Arena and those games were sold out.

I left San Jose at 5:30 and didn't get to Berkeley until after 7. I love the 8 p.m. starts because I can still go to Top Dog before the game, but I'm betting a lot of people won't want to battle the newly horrendous Bay Area traffic for weeknight games, unless the team really goes on a winning streak and gets into the top 15.

The traffic from SF is so bad it's hard to imagine anyone making the journey

boredom;842221611 said:

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official attendance was under 5k. That's pretty bad.

The #25 team in the country this week is Virginia. They're a fairly similar school to us. They had attendance of just under 12k for their opener and just under 14k for their 2nd game.

In conference, Colorado had over 8k for their home opener. Washington had over 6k. Furd had 7k for Bucknell.

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Virginia played against #14 VCU

antipattern;842221604 said:

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http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/sports/college/mensbasketball/story/2012-03-08/college-basketball-concerns-attendance-drop/53424996/1

But yeah, blame the AD.

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Some of this has been the Pac has not been doing well in MBB. Some of it is a long term trend. One and done's just exacerbate the problem IMO, by reducing fan loyalty. At least Cal students show for conference game. I was shocked at the lack of students at remodeled Pauley last year at the Cal game, when UCLA was at the time still considered a good team. The Commish, when he is not having fun ignoring poor refereeing, might want to think about the overall attendance problem some, since MBB is quickly becoming a distant second in terms of revenue production to football.

I also think they need to price tickets better and should do more to get free tickets out to clubs, youth teams, and schools.

bar20;842221713 said:

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Had we landed Aaron Gordon I bet the stands would be full. I remember the two years Kidd was here you couldn't get a ticket at Harmon albeit it held fewer people back then. Many games were moved to the Oakland Arena and those games were sold out.

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UCLA lands plenty of five stars and attendance sucks. So does Udub. UofA where Gordon went to an already loaded team sells on average 94%, and no other Pac school is even close to that number if you believe the UofA website. Pac attendance is way down from 10 years ago, and some one and done guy isn't going to help that trend. Just look at what the number rated 1 player did for UCLA's attendance last year.

R.Hobbs;842221749 said:

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The traffic from SF is so bad it's hard to imagine anyone making the journey

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I went from work in SF to the game then back home to SF. BART. Got home at 11 pm.

emanbears24;842221779 said:

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Virginia played against #14 VCU

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they also played against James Madison. The attendance for both games was in my post. They got 2.5x the attendance for James Madison that we got yesterday.

But regardless of Virginia, why is furd getting more people to games than us?

And in the interest of full disclosure, I'm culpable here too. Weekday games are tough. Coming from the south bay I'd sit in traffic longer than I'd sit in Haas. We do control our OOC schedule and yet we don't play on a weekend until mid December.

wifeisafurd;842221804 said:

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UCLA lands plenty of five stars and attendance sucks. So does Udub. UofA where Gordon went to an already loaded team sells on average 94%, and no other Pac school is even close to that number if you believe the UofA website. Pac attendance is way down from 10 years ago, and some one and done guy isn't going to help that trend. Just look at what the number rated 1 player did for UCLA's attendance last year.

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We're not UCLA. People came to see Jason Kidd, they would have came to see Gordon with all the hype. We are not even in the top 25. Everyone new Kidd would not stay here four years. He surprised a lot of people by staying two years. Your argument is balderdash!

bar20;842221876 said:

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We're not UCLA. People came to see Jason Kidd, they would have came to see Gordon with all the hype. We are not even in the top 25. Everyone new Kidd would not stay here four years. He surprised a lot of people by staying two years. Your argument is balderdash!

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The Gordon hype is not 1/10 what Kidd's was. I was 10 or 11 years old, living 4 hours away, and I had heard of Jason Kidd coming out of high school. I don't know a single person outside this board that has said the name "Aaron Gordon" to me.

oops

BoaltBear;842221824 said:

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I went from work in SF to the game then back home to SF. BART. Got home at 11 pm.

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+1

BART is SO convenient for Cal basketball I don't know why anyone drives on weekdays if they don't have to.

There are GREAT food/drink options on Center on the way to the game.

grandmastapoop;842221989 said:

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The Gordon hype is not 1/10 what Kidd's was. I was 10 or 11 years old, living 4 hours away, and I had heard of Jason Kidd coming out of high school. I don't know a single person outside this board that has said the name "Aaron Gordon" to me.

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Agreed. I think it would have taken landing the local trifecta of Gordon, Bird and Lee (plus some favorable hype in the local media--right now they seem intent on burying us) to get a fraction of the bump Kidd brought--and that was when we played in Harmon.