Saw something I've never seen before -

Ball out of bounds to UCLA (Play with 2 seconds on shot clock in 1st half) - the ref seems to signal to Jorge that he has to give the inbound passer space and Jorge backs off. Is this a rule on the sideline but not the baseline? I've never seen it before (but it;s not like I've ever looked for it).

Is this like the two finger margin rule in pool?

ColoradoBear1;478686 said:

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Saw something I've never seen before -

Ball out of bounds to UCLA (Play with 2 seconds on shot clock in 1st half) - the ref seems to signal to Jorge that he has to give the inbound passer space and Jorge backs off. Is this a rule on the sideline but not the baseline? I've never seen it before (but it;s not like I've ever looked for it).

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Pretty sure it's the same anywhere on the court. Often though, the crowd is closer to the sideline so there is no place for the inbounder to back up vs. the baseline.

I saw and wondered about the same thing, giving me a flashback of the last few seconds of the final basketball game in the Munich Olympics where the ref ordered the American to back away from the baseline and give the Soviet player space to inbound the ball.

3 feet maybe? That number sticks in the back of my mind...

majorursa;478818 said:

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3 feet maybe? That number sticks in the back of my mind...

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The NCAA (or NBA) rules have nothing about three feet, but I'm guessing that is a simple interpretation.

Rule 7, Sec 6, Art 6b:
[quote=]No opponent of the thrower-in shall have any part of his or her
person over the inside plane of the boundary line.

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So on the baseline, a defender can get very close to the inbounder without sticking his arms over the baseline, but on the sideline a player between the inbounder and the basket is going to have to back off from the inbounder because his arms aren't parallel to the sideline and if too close would be reaching across the sideline which is a violation. Basketball players usually have arms between 3 and 3.5 feet, so maybe 3 feet is a good rule of thumb?

The ref always told us 3 feet, but as soon as the offensive player is handed th ball, you can get a little closer

ColoradoBear1;479143 said:

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The NCAA (or NBA) rules have nothing about three feet, but I'm guessing that is a simple interpretation.

Rule 7, Sec 6, Art 6b:


So on the baseline, a defender can get very close to the inbounder without sticking his arms over the baseline, but on the sideline a player between the inbounder and the basket is going to have to back off from the inbounder because his arms aren't parallel to the sideline and if too close would be reaching across the sideline which is a violation. Basketball players usually have arms between 3 and 3.5 feet, so maybe 3 feet is a good rule of thumb?

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The way around this for the inbounder is that he is allowed to move. It's an unlimited number of steps. He can step back, step forward, run in place, jump up and down, or make a baseball style pass. The only requirement is that the inbounder must keep part of the body over a 3 ft wide portion of the side or end line.

That is only true on inbounds passes after a made basket. On an out-of-bounds play, whether sideline or endline, the ball must be thrown in from the spot designated by the referee.

UrsaMajor;479335 said:

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That is only true on inbounds passes after a made basket. On an out-of-bounds play, whether sideline or endline, the ball must be thrown in from the spot designated by the referee.

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I think this 'spot' is interpreted as a 3 foot circle. After a made basket, a player can run the entire baseline.

Yes, but BearClause was saying "an unlimited # of steps," which is only true after a made basket or free throw.

ColoradoBear1;479361 said:

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I think this 'spot' is interpreted as a 3 foot circle. After a made basket, a player can run the entire baseline.

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Not at all. It's a 3 ft wide area with no defined depth for a regular inbounds situation for any reason.

Quote:

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Rule 4 - Section 18. Designated Spot
Art. 1. The designated throw-in spot shall be 3-feet wide with no depth limitation.
Art. 2. The designated spot is the location at which a thrower-in is presented disposal of the ball out of bounds.
Art. 3. The thrower-in must keep one foot on or over the designated spot until the ball is released. Pivot foot restrictions and the traveling rule are not in effect for a throw-in.

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So the player can go as far back as he wants and can't be called for traveling. The only violation is for leaving the designated spot - either trying to deliver the ball while inbounds or not having at least one foot over that 3 ft wide spot.

UrsaMajor;479335 said:

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That is only true on inbounds passes after a made basket. On an out-of-bounds play, whether sideline or endline, the ball must be thrown in from the spot designated by the referee.

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Yes. However, traveling rules don't apply. The only rule is that one foot of the inbounder must remain over the "designated spot" until he releases the ball. Like I said, run in place, jump up and down, shuffle the feet, etc. It's all legal as long as one foot remains over the "designated spot".

The referee signal for a throw-in violation isn't traveling. The referee is supposed to point down at the designated spot (or baseline after a made basket) to indicate a violation.

UrsaMajor;479368 said:

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Yes, but BearClause was saying "an unlimited # of steps," which is only true after a made basket or free throw.

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Yes - thats what I meant, and anyone who reads the NCAA rulebook definition on the "Designated Spot" should come to the same conclusion. The player only has five seconds tough to release the ball though. Besides that, the only violation by the inbounder would be for both feet leaving the designated spot

ColoradoBear1;478686 said:

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Saw something I've never seen before -

Ball out of bounds to UCLA (Play with 2 seconds on shot clock in 1st half) - the ref seems to signal to Jorge that he has to give the inbound passer space and Jorge backs off. Is this a rule on the sideline but not the baseline? I've never seen it before (but it;s not like I've ever looked for it).

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This has come up many times in the past, but not recently....

If there is insufficient room at the venue outside of the line, the ref has the discretion to tell the defending player to give the inbounding passer more room. That is why you will see it on the sideline more often than on the baseline. It happened much more often at Harmon, where there was even less room between the crowd and the sideline.