calbear80 said:
SFCityBear said:
calbear80 said:
SFCityBear said:
A full roster needs to be the first step, equally distributed by class and position....
NO!
A good new coach should be the first step.
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Maybe you are right, maybe not.
I don't have enough information to ,make a decision like this. I would have needed to see practices, to see what Jones was teaching, and whether it was good standard basketball coaching. I'd have to see whether players were listening and agreeing with what was being taught. I would have to determine whether the losses were due to deficiency in the teaching by Jones and staff, or whether the players made their own mistakes in execution, or whether they were not talented enough or physically capable of executing what was being taught. (An example would be whether Vanover is being taught the correct footwork to box out, and if he can't do it, is he just being pushed off the block by a stronger opponent, or is he not using the footwork and techniques he has been taught at Cal?) I would also weigh other things like how well the players wanted to play for this coach, whether they strongly want to continue playing for him or not. I haven't even thought about Wyking's strategies on offense or defense vs particular opponents, but that is part of it as well
Since I don't know any of this, I but I think I know more about the roster, and I know it is not good enough to win the PAC12 title, with Jones or any coach on the planet. I have to say the first order of business is to proceed with completing the very young and very incomplete roster, while we wait for the AD's decision, if there is one. Wyking has two slots to fill, I believe, so he should at least be laying the groundwork for recruiting one or two bigs or a pg, no matter if he is to be fired or not. We have a big and a pg already committed, but you can't have enough players at these positions.
You are lucky I am not the AD, because I sure as hell would be considering more than wins and losses on a team of frosh and sophs, with one serviceable big (lately). If these frosh and sophs were all as talented and mature as Rabb in the frontcourt and, oh, I don't know, Phil Chenier in the backcourt, then I would say Wyking Jones or any coach on the planet would have won 20 games this season, and you would have a good point just to look at wins and losses when you opt for keeping or firing the coach.
SFCityBear, you don't need to go to practices, etc. All you need to do is look at the results.
Are you happy with 5-33 (13% winning percentage)? Remember, the guy had two senior 7 foot Cebters last year with combined six years of Power 5/6 starting experience.
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I hate to be this picky, but I already went through this for you. Lee was a forward, a 6-9 forward who was a rotation starter in only one season at Kentucky, and started only games that year. He started 4 games as a freshman. Are you going to call 4 games "a year of P5/6 starting experience?" Lee did not start in any other years at Kentucky. So I give him a total of one year's experience as a P5/6 starter.
Okoroh started only 3 games as a frosh at Cal. I don't count that as a year of startng experience at P5/6 level. He started 17 games in his second season, half of the games Cal played. In his 3rd season he started 24 of 34 games, so overall I credit him with 1.2 years of P5/6 starting experience. Lee and Okoroh together combined for 2.2 years of P5/6 starting experience prior to last season, not 6 years as you claimed.
If you insist that Rooks was a member of the 2018 team, when he was not listed as such in the record book, well Rooks did not start any games in his first year. He started only 10 of 33 games in his soph season, and only 10 games his junior season, so I give him credit for a total of 2/3 of one season of P5/6 starting experience. Rooks and Okoroh combined I would credit them with a total of 1.9 years of starting experience.
Still, I respect what Okoroh and Lee, and I think that the 2018 team would have been a lot better with this year's supporting cast. If the 2018 team had Austin, Bradley, Kelly they could have won at least 15 games in my opinion. And if Okoroh and Lee played this year., they could have won 15 games as well. They were decent bigs and with this year's roster, having them on it would have changed everything, because some of the frosh could have been brought along more slowly. For one thing, Cal would have won a lot of the rebound battles and not been outrebounded every night. Rims would have been protected much better, post defense much better.
I know you are trying your best to get the coach fired, but I wish you would stop saying things that aren't true, or exaggerated. It really weakens your argument. Just stick with your won-loss record argument. That is a fact, not opinion. And no, I wasn't happy with it. Nobody was.
SFCityBear
