Yes, my mistake (based on my age!)tsubamoto2001 said:
It's Eric. Somehow, he wasn't good enough for Cal. Was it because he hired Yanni (I personally couldn't care less, but that's just my opinion)? Cal just doesn't want coaches that win, I guess. Not saying Muss was my first choice or anything, but look what we ended up with.
Alkiadt said:Yes, my mistake (based on my age!)tsubamoto2001 said:
It's Eric. Somehow, he wasn't good enough for Cal. Was it because he hired Yanni (I personally couldn't care less, but that's just my opinion)? Cal just doesn't want coaches that win, I guess. Not saying Muss was my first choice or anything, but look what we ended up with.
Not sure how to change that...?
Maybe the mods can?
I thought Brown had planned to be going to the NBA.PtownBear1 said:
Wonder if Jordan brown is going to go with him.
stu said:I thought Brown had planned to be going to the NBA.PtownBear1 said:
Wonder if Jordan brown is going to go with him.
Well, if you're giving me a choice between a good coach who wears on everybody, and a coach who is well liked but doesn't win many games...Big C said:
No need to anoint this guy. He's a good coach, but he really wears on everybody after awhile
tsubamoto2001 said:
Brown was an idiot for going to Nevada to begin with. Muss's Method there was to build with transfers. But on the other hand, had Cal hired a competent coach (not Wyking, obviously), it had a great chance to land Brown.stu said:I thought Brown had planned to be going to the NBA.PtownBear1 said:
Wonder if Jordan brown is going to go with him.
NVBear78 said:
Out of curiosity where do you rank our new coach in competence relative to Monty, Martin, Braun, Campanelli, Wyking, Bozeman and Kuchen?
3 years max. He won't be able to do much about recruiting this summer and he won't have any results to recruit off of in November. He's likely to have a fairly tough year next year (though better than Wyking IMO).stu said:
IMHO it will take 3 or 4 years to figure out how Fox does at Cal.
To me, he's Monty, but less gruff and not as good a coach.NVBear78 said:tsubamoto2001 said:
Brown was an idiot for going to Nevada to begin with. Muss's Method there was to build with transfers. But on the other hand, had Cal hired a competent coach (not Wyking, obviously), it had a great chance to land Brown.stu said:I thought Brown had planned to be going to the NBA.PtownBear1 said:
Wonder if Jordan brown is going to go with him.
Out of curiosity where do you rank our new coach in competence relative to Monty, Martin, Braun, Campanelli, Wyking, Bozeman and Kuchen?
In my opinion (and I've spend almost no time watching Mark Fox teams play), I'm guessing between Martin and Brown. Probably closer to Martin. He's gonna need to figure out a way to recruit a lot better than he has in the past to get up near Monty level.NVBear78 said:tsubamoto2001 said:
Brown was an idiot for going to Nevada to begin with. Muss's Method there was to build with transfers. But on the other hand, had Cal hired a competent coach (not Wyking, obviously), it had a great chance to land Brown.stu said:I thought Brown had planned to be going to the NBA.PtownBear1 said:
Wonder if Jordan brown is going to go with him.
Out of curiosity where do you rank our new coach in competence relative to Monty, Martin, Braun, Campanelli, Wyking, Bozeman and Kuchen?
NVBear78 said:tsubamoto2001 said:
Brown was an idiot for going to Nevada to begin with. Muss's Method there was to build with transfers. But on the other hand, had Cal hired a competent coach (not Wyking, obviously), it had a great chance to land Brown.stu said:I thought Brown had planned to be going to the NBA.PtownBear1 said:
Wonder if Jordan brown is going to go with him.
Out of curiosity where do you rank our new coach in competence relative to Monty, Martin, Braun, Campanelli, Wyking, Bozeman and Kuchen?
I recall that we still had a chance with Brown had we closed on another big man around this time last year. He wanted support. We still had the guy from Eastern Michigan and Minnesota guy in the mix, and if one of the two signed we may have had Brown. But Wyking didn't close on those two and because of that Brown too. We got Connor late, but I believe Brown made the decision by then. Pretty much our season was cemented after we couldn't land that Eastern Michigan big.tsubamoto2001 said:
Brown was an idiot for going to Nevada to begin with. Muss's Method there was to build with transfers. But on the other hand, had Cal hired a competent coach (not Wyking, obviously), it had a great chance to land Brown.stu said:I thought Brown had planned to be going to the NBA.PtownBear1 said:
Wonder if Jordan brown is going to go with him.
KoreAmBear said:I recall that we still had a chance with Brown had we closed on another big man around this time last year. He wanted support. We still had the guy from Eastern Michigan and Minnesota guy in the mix, and if one of the two signed we may have had Brown. But Wyking didn't close on those two and because of that Brown too. We got Connor late, but I believe Brown made the decision by then. Pretty much our season was cemented after we couldn't land that Eastern Michigan big.tsubamoto2001 said:
Brown was an idiot for going to Nevada to begin with. Muss's Method there was to build with transfers. But on the other hand, had Cal hired a competent coach (not Wyking, obviously), it had a great chance to land Brown.stu said:I thought Brown had planned to be going to the NBA.PtownBear1 said:
Wonder if Jordan brown is going to go with him.
Oh yah that happened lol. Everything about the Wyking show was a crack up. God bless him.Civil Bear said:KoreAmBear said:I recall that we still had a chance with Brown had we closed on another big man around this time last year. He wanted support. We still had the guy from Eastern Michigan and Minnesota guy in the mix, and if one of the two signed we may have had Brown. But Wyking didn't close on those two and because of that Brown too. We got Connor late, but I believe Brown made the decision by then. Pretty much our season was cemented after we couldn't land that Eastern Michigan big.tsubamoto2001 said:
Brown was an idiot for going to Nevada to begin with. Muss's Method there was to build with transfers. But on the other hand, had Cal hired a competent coach (not Wyking, obviously), it had a great chance to land Brown.stu said:I thought Brown had planned to be going to the NBA.PtownBear1 said:
Wonder if Jordan brown is going to go with him.
The dominoes were all set for the MGT and Brown to commit, but there wasn't scholly room for both. That's when WJ tried to make room by kicking the two CCSF transfers to the curb. Once that fiasco blew up Brown committed to Nevada, followed later by the MGT having a change of heart. The Minnesota big was never part of the Brown equation.
Ben Braun never won over 60% of his games in any conference (not even with Siena Heights). Fox won 74% of his games at Nevada.calumnus said:NVBear78 said:tsubamoto2001 said:
Brown was an idiot for going to Nevada to begin with. Muss's Method there was to build with transfers. But on the other hand, had Cal hired a competent coach (not Wyking, obviously), it had a great chance to land Brown.stu said:I thought Brown had planned to be going to the NBA.PtownBear1 said:
Wonder if Jordan brown is going to go with him.
Out of curiosity where do you rank our new coach in competence relative to Monty, Martin, Braun, Campanelli, Wyking, Bozeman and Kuchen?
I'd say somewhat below Braun. Fox went 0-2 in the Tournament over 9 seasons. Braun did much better than that. Both are defense first, offensively challenged. Braun was a much better recruiter, though that opinion is partly based on all the guys where he finished second.
In hindsight, perhaps paying Deschon and Austin to leave would have been worth it. Is that against NCAA rules? J/kCivil Bear said:KoreAmBear said:I recall that we still had a chance with Brown had we closed on another big man around this time last year. He wanted support. We still had the guy from Eastern Michigan and Minnesota guy in the mix, and if one of the two signed we may have had Brown. But Wyking didn't close on those two and because of that Brown too. We got Connor late, but I believe Brown made the decision by then. Pretty much our season was cemented after we couldn't land that Eastern Michigan big.tsubamoto2001 said:
Brown was an idiot for going to Nevada to begin with. Muss's Method there was to build with transfers. But on the other hand, had Cal hired a competent coach (not Wyking, obviously), it had a great chance to land Brown.stu said:I thought Brown had planned to be going to the NBA.PtownBear1 said:
Wonder if Jordan brown is going to go with him.
The dominoes were all set for the MGT and Brown to commit, but there wasn't scholly room for both. That's when WJ tried to make room by kicking the two CCSF transfers to the curb. Once that fiasco blew up Brown committed to Nevada, followed later by the MGT having a change of heart. The Minnesota big was never part of the Brown equation.
Yogi Bear said:Ben Braun never won over 60% of his games in any conference (not even with Siena Heights). Fox won 74% of his games at Nevada.calumnus said:NVBear78 said:tsubamoto2001 said:
Brown was an idiot for going to Nevada to begin with. Muss's Method there was to build with transfers. But on the other hand, had Cal hired a competent coach (not Wyking, obviously), it had a great chance to land Brown.stu said:I thought Brown had planned to be going to the NBA.PtownBear1 said:
Wonder if Jordan brown is going to go with him.
Out of curiosity where do you rank our new coach in competence relative to Monty, Martin, Braun, Campanelli, Wyking, Bozeman and Kuchen?
I'd say somewhat below Braun. Fox went 0-2 in the Tournament over 9 seasons. Braun did much better than that. Both are defense first, offensively challenged. Braun was a much better recruiter, though that opinion is partly based on all the guys where he finished second.
There is no question that Fox is better than Braun at the coaching piece. The recruiting piece is the part that is the worry.
Wow. You're telling us they already fired Alford and replaced him with a coach with an outstanding resume?caltagjohnson said:
UNR: Coach with outstanding resume and a practice facility
Calumnus, I think you overrate Braun a bit. No question his first year was terrific. While Cal did under perform under Bozeman, they were coming off a 4th place finish in the Pac-10 and got a 12 seed losing to Tim Floyd's Iowa State team. I think that was the Jelani Gardner, Tremaine Fowlkes team that underachieved like crazy. Yet Bozeman still recruited well enough to leave Braun with a lot of talent. Having two future NBA centers, a HOF TE, a very adept PG and a gunner, mostly seniors, helped a lot. Yes Gray was lost to his broken foot, but that still was a very good team (that beat the national champs Arizona during the season).calumnus said:Yogi Bear said:Ben Braun never won over 60% of his games in any conference (not even with Siena Heights). Fox won 74% of his games at Nevada.calumnus said:NVBear78 said:tsubamoto2001 said:
Brown was an idiot for going to Nevada to begin with. Muss's Method there was to build with transfers. But on the other hand, had Cal hired a competent coach (not Wyking, obviously), it had a great chance to land Brown.stu said:I thought Brown had planned to be going to the NBA.PtownBear1 said:
Wonder if Jordan brown is going to go with him.
Out of curiosity where do you rank our new coach in competence relative to Monty, Martin, Braun, Campanelli, Wyking, Bozeman and Kuchen?
I'd say somewhat below Braun. Fox went 0-2 in the Tournament over 9 seasons. Braun did much better than that. Both are defense first, offensively challenged. Braun was a much better recruiter, though that opinion is partly based on all the guys where he finished second.
There is no question that Fox is better than Braun at the coaching piece. The recruiting piece is the part that is the worry.
Fox took over a 25 win Nevada team, held the great recruiting class together when HC Trent Johnson took a better job, and then won at good margin in the WAC until those players were gone an he had to rely on his own recruits.
Braun took over a bad Sienna team and improved them. Braun took over a terrible Eastern Michigan team and made them an NCAA team even making the Sweet 16. He took an underperforming Cal team, lost the best scorer going into the post season, replaced him with a Hall of Fame tight end and still made the Sweet 16.
Now look at Fox's history in the post season. Few appearances and fewer wins. He has never won more than a single game and advanced to the second weekend of any tournament, the NCAA, the NIT or even the CBI. Braun gets in the NIT and we won it. And Braun was the epitome of mediocrity in a power conference. Compare Braun at Cal and Fox at Georgia? I'll take Braun every time.
That said, I hope he is awesome at Cal and Georgia ends up regretting having fired him.
KoreAmBear said:Calumnus, I think you overrate Braun a bit. No question his first year was terrific. While Cal did under perform under Bozeman, they were coming off a 4th place finish in the Pac-10 and got a 12 seed losing to Tim Floyd's Iowa State team. I think that was the Jelani Gardner, Tremaine Fowlkes team that underachieved like crazy. Yet Bozeman still recruited well enough to leave Braun with a lot of talent. Having two future NBA centers, a HOF TE, a very adept PG and a gunner, mostly seniors, helped a lot. Yes Gray was lost to his broken foot, but that still was a very good team (that beat the national champs Arizona during the season).calumnus said:Yogi Bear said:Ben Braun never won over 60% of his games in any conference (not even with Siena Heights). Fox won 74% of his games at Nevada.calumnus said:NVBear78 said:tsubamoto2001 said:
Brown was an idiot for going to Nevada to begin with. Muss's Method there was to build with transfers. But on the other hand, had Cal hired a competent coach (not Wyking, obviously), it had a great chance to land Brown.stu said:I thought Brown had planned to be going to the NBA.PtownBear1 said:
Wonder if Jordan brown is going to go with him.
Out of curiosity where do you rank our new coach in competence relative to Monty, Martin, Braun, Campanelli, Wyking, Bozeman and Kuchen?
I'd say somewhat below Braun. Fox went 0-2 in the Tournament over 9 seasons. Braun did much better than that. Both are defense first, offensively challenged. Braun was a much better recruiter, though that opinion is partly based on all the guys where he finished second.
There is no question that Fox is better than Braun at the coaching piece. The recruiting piece is the part that is the worry.
Fox took over a 25 win Nevada team, held the great recruiting class together when HC Trent Johnson took a better job, and then won at good margin in the WAC until those players were gone an he had to rely on his own recruits.
Braun took over a bad Sienna team and improved them. Braun took over a terrible Eastern Michigan team and made them an NCAA team even making the Sweet 16. He took an underperforming Cal team, lost the best scorer going into the post season, replaced him with a Hall of Fame tight end and still made the Sweet 16.
Now look at Fox's history in the post season. Few appearances and fewer wins. He has never won more than a single game and advanced to the second weekend of any tournament, the NCAA, the NIT or even the CBI. Braun gets in the NIT and we won it. And Braun was the epitome of mediocrity in a power conference. Compare Braun at Cal and Fox at Georgia? I'll take Braun every time.
That said, I hope he is awesome at Cal and Georgia ends up regretting having fired him.
We had some solid if not exciting years thereafter, but we all know the trajectory. He knew how to develop the walkon program. Probably the best I've seen in terms of walkons.
He was completely awful at Rice, and pretty much never recovered. So I'd say overall Braun is not much better than Fox if at all, and especially not the Braun by the time he got to Rice.
