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Now, if the rationale is that the unvaccinated are draining too much of our resources for their stupidity, I am OK with that. But say that, and say you want to make life as hard as possible so that they will get vaccinated and stop clogging up our hospitals. But this fear tactic of protecting others with vaccine mandate and proof is just stupid.

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sycasey said:

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calbear93 said:

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Now, if the rationale is that the unvaccinated are draining too much of our resources for their stupidity, I am OK with that. But say that, and say you want to make life as hard as possible so that they will get vaccinated and stop clogging up our hospitals. But this fear tactic of protecting others with vaccine mandate and proof is just stupid.

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That's exactly what I think. And it's worth noting that by clogging hospitals the unvaccinated ARE putting the rest of us at risk.

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calbear93 said:

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OK, I will start.

While it is not difficult to receive an ID, the requirement, looking at absolute data, disproportionately impacts minorities who tend to vote more for Democrats. As such, when you implement a rule that disproportionately impacts minorities on something so fundamental to our society as one citizen, one vote, then you have a narrower tolerance. Imagine the outrage if a requirement to vote was submission of a redacted summary of tax return if you were required to file one. We could make some fake argument (like fake argument about rampant voter fraud) that there should be no representation without taxation. If that were to impact mostly the Republican voters, would people be OK with that?

Now, I think it is inherently stupid to require vaccination proof (especially if two shots are viewed as fully vaccinated) when those with only two are just as likely to spread as unvaccinated. It is all political theater.

Now, if the rationale is that the unvaccinated are draining too much of our resources for their stupidity, I am OK with that. But say that, and say you want to make life as hard as possible so that they will get vaccinated and stop clogging up our hospitals. But this fear tactic of protecting others with vaccine mandate and proof is just stupid.

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bearup said:

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calbear93 said:

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OK, I will start.

While it is not difficult to receive an ID, the requirement, looking at absolute data, disproportionately impacts minorities who tend to vote more for Democrats. As such, when you implement a rule that disproportionately impacts minorities on something so fundamental to our society as one citizen, one vote, then you have a narrower tolerance. Imagine the outrage if a requirement to vote was submission of a redacted summary of tax return if you were required to file one. We could make some fake argument (like fake argument about rampant voter fraud) that there should be no representation without taxation. If that were to impact mostly the Republican voters, would people be OK with that?

Now, I think it is inherently stupid to require vaccination proof (especially if two shots are viewed as fully vaccinated) when those with only two are just as likely to spread as unvaccinated. It is all political theater.

Now, if the rationale is that the unvaccinated are draining too much of our resources for their stupidity, I am OK with that. But say that, and say you want to make life as hard as possible so that they will get vaccinated and stop clogging up our hospitals. But this fear tactic of protecting others with vaccine mandate and proof is just stupid.

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I agree with your last paragraph....at least up to "hospitals".

hanky1 chose the playing field for this discussion=> our Nation's capitol Washington DC.
He and BF2 have presented "facts". You'll have to excuse me if I don't take them at face value...for now.

DC was my hometown for a long time.

It is a special case (and a special city) for a number of reasons.

*The historical voting record is 93-97% Democratic=> whatever you've said about "Democrats" and
"Republicans" comes off as very ill-informed.****

I about lol at the "representation without taxation" line. NO TAXATION WITHOUT REPRESENTATION
is the standard on DC license plates

****JMO, your comments MAY (I can't say right now) have more than a little validity generally****

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calbear93 said:

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bearup said:

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calbear93 said:

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OK, I will start.

While it is not difficult to receive an ID, the requirement, looking at absolute data, disproportionately impacts minorities who tend to vote more for Democrats. As such, when you implement a rule that disproportionately impacts minorities on something so fundamental to our society as one citizen, one vote, then you have a narrower tolerance. Imagine the outrage if a requirement to vote was submission of a redacted summary of tax return if you were required to file one. We could make some fake argument (like fake argument about rampant voter fraud) that there should be no representation without taxation. If that were to impact mostly the Republican voters, would people be OK with that?

Now, I think it is inherently stupid to require vaccination proof (especially if two shots are viewed as fully vaccinated) when those with only two are just as likely to spread as unvaccinated. It is all political theater.

Now, if the rationale is that the unvaccinated are draining too much of our resources for their stupidity, I am OK with that. But say that, and say you want to make life as hard as possible so that they will get vaccinated and stop clogging up our hospitals. But this fear tactic of protecting others with vaccine mandate and proof is just stupid.

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I agree with your last paragraph....at least up to "hospitals".

hanky1 chose the playing field for this discussion=> our Nation's capitol Washington DC.
He and BF2 have presented "facts". You'll have to excuse me if I don't take them at face value...for now.

DC was my hometown for a long time.

It is a special case (and a special city) for a number of reasons.

*The historical voting record is 93-97% Democratic=> whatever you've said about "Democrats" and
"Republicans" comes off as very ill-informed.****

I about lol at the "representation without taxation" line. NO TAXATION WITHOUT REPRESENTATION
is the standard on DC license plates

****JMO, your comments MAY (I can't say right now) have more than a little validity generally****

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I think you missed my point. My point was that Republicans would not be happy if there was some requirement to vote that impacted them more - such as having to provide a copy of a summary tax return. If the Democrats came up with some argument that if you cheated on your taxes like Trump did, you should not vote - hence the flip of the commonly understood rebellion against the British and the Boston Tea Party - Republicans who are pushing voter reform based on a fake argument of rampant voter fraud - will certainly find new religion on sanctity of protecting voting rights.

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If the Black Mayor of Washington DC can require a photo ID for the 50% black population of DC to enter a building, then how could requiring a photo ID to vote be "Jim Crow 2.0?"

— Charlie Kirk (@charliekirk11) January 13, 2022

hanky1 said:

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"But but but….the poor can't afford IDs!!!" -okaydo


Not only racist, but discriminatory against the poor!

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Facts:

India has nearly 1.4 billion citizens

Nearly 800 million of them live in extreme poverty—less than $1.90 per day

Yet EVERY singly Indian citizen is required to have a valid form of ID to vote in national elections

What excuse does America have to not do the same?

— Charlie Kirk (@charliekirk11) January 12, 2022

BearForce2 said:

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If the Black Mayor of Washington DC can require a photo ID for the 50% black population of DC to enter a building, then how could requiring a photo ID to vote be "Jim Crow 2.0?"

— Charlie Kirk (@charliekirk11) January 13, 2022

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BearForce2 said:

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hanky1 said:

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"But but but….the poor can't afford IDs!!!" -okaydo


Not only racist, but discriminatory against the poor!

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Facts:

India has nearly 1.4 billion citizens

Nearly 800 million of them live in extreme poverty—less than $1.90 per day

Yet EVERY singly Indian citizen is required to have a valid form of ID to vote in national elections

What excuse does America have to not do the same?

— Charlie Kirk (@charliekirk11) January 12, 2022

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sycasey said:

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BearNIt said:

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BearForce2 said:

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hanky1 said:

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"But but but….the poor can't afford IDs!!!" -okaydo


Not only racist, but discriminatory against the poor!

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Facts:

India has nearly 1.4 billion citizens

Nearly 800 million of them live in extreme poverty—less than $1.90 per day

Yet EVERY singly Indian citizen is required to have a valid form of ID to vote in national elections

What excuse does America have to not do the same?

— Charlie Kirk (@charliekirk11) January 12, 2022

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Can't see where the Indian government charges anything for a Voter ID. This is the difference.

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Indeed. I'm fine with voter ID if you want to make IDs free and easy to get. If not, it becomes another poll tax.

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BearForce2 said:

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Facts:

India has nearly 1.4 billion citizens

Nearly 800 million of them live in extreme poverty—less than $1.90 per day

Yet EVERY singly Indian citizen is required to have a valid form of ID to vote in national elections

What excuse does America have to not do the same?

— Charlie Kirk (@charliekirk11) January 12, 2022

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bearup said:

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BearForce2 said:

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Facts:

India has nearly 1.4 billion citizens

Nearly 800 million of them live in extreme poverty—less than $1.90 per day

Yet EVERY singly Indian citizen is required to have a valid form of ID to vote in national elections

What excuse does America have to not do the same?

— Charlie Kirk (@charliekirk11) January 12, 2022

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Comparison of the USA to India is bogus on many levels...this being one of them.

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Eastern Oregon Bear said:

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bearup said:

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BearForce2 said:

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Facts:

India has nearly 1.4 billion citizens

Nearly 800 million of them live in extreme poverty—less than $1.90 per day

Yet EVERY singly Indian citizen is required to have a valid form of ID to vote in national elections

What excuse does America have to not do the same?

— Charlie Kirk (@charliekirk11) January 12, 2022

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Comparison of the USA to India is bogus on many levels...this being one of them.

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It also ignores all the features of India's politics and government that we would never want to emulate.

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hanky1 said:

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"But but but….the poor can't afford IDs!!!" -okaydo


Not only racist, but discriminatory against the poor!

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