2nd Amendment discussion (Honest)

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going4roses
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Have any of you read this work ?
https://www.amazon.com/Second-Race-Fatally-Unequal-America/dp/1635574250



https://www.tiktok.com/t/ZTRwN9eDv/
https://www.tiktok.com/t/ZTRwNXfen/
https://www.tiktok.com/t/ZTRwNCRdN/
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heartofthebear
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I watched the video.
What is sad are all of the comments from blacks derogating their sister because she speaks some truth about the history of the 2nd amendment. I PMed you with more details on that history, including a book recommendation called "loaded: A Disarming History of the Second Amendment (City Lights Open Media)." by Roxanne Dunbar-Ortiz.

BTW, why gun owners feel that they have an objective opinion on the matter is beyond me.

I guess those folks go to whites to get their opinion about blacks, go to right to lifers to get their opinion about abortion and go to christians to form their opinion about muslims.

But, one thing is for sure, most of the noise that will occur in response to this topic will be from gun advocates, as a gun needs an advocate. I mean, a gun is a metallic product that is also a lethal weapon.

Here's another irony: Gun owners are constantly claiming the second amendment protects them from the government seizing their guns. Actually it is the opposite. Because the second amendment requires the government to regulate the militias, the second amendment invites the government to take guns from irresponsible owners. By comparison, people own many other things. For example a car is not likely to be seized by the government, although your license my be taken. However, if owning and driving a car were protected by the constitution, the government would have to more heavily regulate it and folks might lose their cars to the government after a hit and run or a DUI.

Also, the idea that the second amendment is necessary in order for folks to have guns is ridiculous. Most legal activities involving guns could just as easily happen without the second amendment.

I think there is a more nefarious reason that folks are advocating for the second amendment. But I won't get into that here.

The idea that guns helped blacks get free or helped protect themselves from whites and lynchers is ridiculous. It's the typical mentally fragile point of view that a few cases are not the exception but the rule. In America police kill blacks with guns far more than anywhere else. In Britain the police don't even have guns. And yet guns are good for blacks because they protect from lynching. Well, if I could give every black who is afraid of being lynched a gun, I would, but it won't change a thing.
concordtom
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Simple rule.

More guns = more shootings.
It's best to not have one.
going4roses
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concordtom
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If you are looking for justification to carry a weapon, you're just looking for trouble.

Don't buy in to the insanity, young man.
Stay golden.
going4roses
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I wish was younger lol … what age group would you say I am in ?
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going4roses
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https://www.tiktok.com/t/ZTRKqgnnb/?t=1
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concordtom
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going4roses said:

I wish was younger lol … what age group would you I am in ?


Oh boy. I guess I've done it now.

Well, you don't seem to have strong English skills. You omit a lot of words, or don't write in complete sentences, so I've thought you were below 20.

But now I see you have been here since 2012.
Maybe it's just a habit of texting and you're not treating it as a necessity to be clear in your typing with much focus.


My apologies.
heartofthebear
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concordtom said:

If you are looking for justification to carry a weapon, you're just looking for trouble.

Don't buy in to the insanity, young man.
Stay golden.
Personally I don't interpret Baldwins' brilliant analysis as G4R justification for owning a gun. But it might have helped the Black Panthers justify their use of guns.

In any case, Baldwin seems to be simply making a point about American culture, power and propaganda regarding violence. Whether or not he was advocating gun ownership for blacks is irrelevant to his point.

I do agree with you that it is insane to think that guns somehow equalize the power struggle between minorities and whites. Any comprehensive analysis and investigation of history shows quite the opposite.
going4roses
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Brain injury in 1986 police hit my motorcycle head on spent 11 mos learning to walk 36 mos learning how to talk
2010 another brain injury ejected from vehicle. Took 6 yrs to be able to write a sentence.

I'm not writing papers for submission here … am I ? Good you were not any of my professors huh
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AunBear89
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concordtom said:

going4roses said:

I wish was younger lol … what age group would you I am in ?


Oh boy. I guess I've done it now.

Well, you don't seem to have strong English skills. You omit a lot of words, or don't write in complete sentences, so I've thought you were below 20.

But now I see you have been here since 2012.
Maybe it's just a habit of texting and you're not treating it as a necessity to be clear in your typing with much focus.


My apologies.


Unintentional irony
"There are three kinds of lies: lies, damned lies, and statistics." -- (maybe) Benjamin Disraeli, popularized by Mark Twain
Unit2Sucks
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going4roses said:

Brain injury in 1986 police hit my motorcycle head on spent 11 mos learning to walk 36 mos learning how to talk
2010 another brain injury ejected from vehicle. Took 6 yrs to be able to write a sentence.

I'm not writing papers for submission here … am I ? Good you were not any of my professors huh
Sorry to hear that man. You take a lot of unfair excess abuse here but sounds like you've been through a lot worse. I hope that you are doing okay after all that trauma.
concordtom
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going4roses said:

Brain injury in 1986 police hit my motorcycle head on spent 11 mos learning to walk 36 mos learning how to talk
2010 another brain injury ejected from vehicle. Took 6 yrs to be able to write a sentence.

I'm not writing papers for submission here … am I ? Good you were not any of my professors huh

Dude, I have so much respect for you right now!!! You rock! And, actually this is one of the reasons why I think BI OT is a fantastic place.

I have no reason for being here other than I like connecting with people. And I process ideas. But otherwise, I have no reason for (what many would consider) "wasting" endless hours here.

I think it's probably similar for everyone who ventures over this way. And I suspect it's the same for you.

My father had an accident 7 years ago and was in a coma. He nearly died. He had to relearn everything. It was lengthy and he's had a remarkable turn around. Very lucky.
So I can appreciate the journey you have been going through, and, like me, I imagine being able to communicate with people here serves a purpose for you.

So, mad respect for you now.
Your writings will now be digested with your harrowing journey accordingly!

So, how old would a motorcycle rider be in 1986? That gives me a better idea of age.
And how did you get hit head-on by cop car?


going4roses
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Unit2Sucks said:

going4roses said:

Brain injury in 1986 police hit my motorcycle head on spent 11 mos learning to walk 36 mos learning how to talk
2010 another brain injury ejected from vehicle. Took 6 yrs to be able to write a sentence.

I'm not writing papers for submission here … am I ? Good you were not any of my professors huh
Sorry to hear that man. You take a lot of unfair excess abuse here but sounds like you've been through a lot worse. I hope that you are doing okay after all that trauma.


Still chopping at the wood …
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DiabloWags
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concordtom said:



I have no reason for being here other than I like connecting with people. And I process ideas. But otherwise, I have no reason for (what many would consider) "wasting" endless hours here.





I believe that you are here for the same reasons many of us good Christian brothers come here.
To make new friends. Just like your "buddy" calbear93.

I like how you still reached out to him and invited him over for a "swim" and sushi last August, even though he said that you didnt have any friends.

Gotta love the fellowship on display here by good Christian men.
It's truly heartwarming.

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"Cults don't end well. They really don't."
concordtom
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DiabloWags said:

concordtom said:



I have no reason for being here other than I like connecting with people. And I process ideas. But otherwise, I have no reason for (what many would consider) "wasting" endless hours here.





I believe that you are here for the same reasons many of us good Christian brothers come here.
To make new friends. Just like your "buddy" calbear93.

I like how you still reached out to him and invited him over for a "swim" and sushi last August, even though he said that you didnt have any friends.

Gotta love the fellowship on display here by good Christian men.
It's truly heartwarming.

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Hey, DW, why don't we get together for a Tour de Concorde in your new sports car. You drive, and I'll record potholes with pen and paper, k?

calbear93
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DiabloWags said:

concordtom said:



I have no reason for being here other than I like connecting with people. And I process ideas. But otherwise, I have no reason for (what many would consider) "wasting" endless hours here.





I believe that you are here for the same reasons many of us good Christian brothers come here.
To make new friends. Just like your "buddy" calbear93.

I like how you still reached out to him and invited him over for a "swim" and sushi last August, even though he said that you didnt have any friends.

Gotta love the fellowship on display here by good Christian men.
It's truly heartwarming.

The Dangerous Rhetoric From Trump And His Co-Conspirators Again Has Consequences - Page 2 | Bear Insider





Sorry, I don't come here to make friends. I have enough, and don't need to reach out to strangers to ask if they want to share a beer.

If you were to really step back, even you must find it weird that you are so obsessed with someone who really don't respond to your posts unless you make this personal? Someone your age being obsessed with another man you don't even know must be strange and a bit creepy even to you if you were being honest.

I mean, for the most part, we all know your type. The guy so insecure about his anatomy that he compensates with humblebrag about his car as if most of us don't have the means to purchase if we didn't think it was such a cliche thing to me. Or name drop about people we don't care about. And then calls people low IQ as if he has demonstrated high IQ. Then gossips about Dajo's job or mocks Concordtom on PM. I mostly roll my eyes and don't respond because I come here to share viewpoints and not act like some teenage girl like you do. But for some reason, I am completely in your head and you just cannot quit me or not make this personal.

I don't know you. I don't want to be friends with you. Sorry I didn't take you up on your offer to meet up for beer. Not interested...just being honest. Don't take it personally and don't feel like you need to keep acting like someone who had his heart broken or feel the need to find affirmation in an obsure forum full of guys. We don't care. We are not impressed. We are just engaging in political nonsense. Get a grip.

You are way too old for this type of insecurity. People half you age have twice as much comfort in their own skin,


DiabloWags

8:58p, 1/11/22

If youre ever around the East Bay or Diablo Valley.... lets meet up.

I'll buy ya a Beer.

Mike
going4roses
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Hey hey simmer down now yall
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BearHunter
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Bug Light is on sale.
calbear93
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BearHunter said:

Bug Light is on sale.
That is funny.
DiabloWags
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concordtom said:




Hey, DW, why don't we get together for a Tour de Concorde in your new sports car. You drive, and I'll record potholes with pen and paper, k?



Hahahahhaaaa!

I had an email or two earlier this morning with the head of Public Works and the City Engineer.
They've pretty much taken care of the 30 potholes that I've reported.
Major repaving projects will roll out this JULY.

Finally.






Look familiar Tom?
This is right in front of the entrance to YV High School on Oak Grove.
"Cults don't end well. They really don't."
calbear93
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going4roses said:

Brain injury in 1986 police hit my motorcycle head on spent 11 mos learning to walk 36 mos learning how to talk
2010 another brain injury ejected from vehicle. Took 6 yrs to be able to write a sentence.

I'm not writing papers for submission here … am I ? Good you were not any of my professors huh
Sorry to read about your injuries. Two catastrophic head injuries - almost unimaginable.

Puts what you wrote in context, even if I ultimately disagree with your viewpoints.
concordtom
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calbear93 said:

BearHunter said:

Bug Light is on sale.
That is funny.


Hahaha
Lolololol

The ****ing thing has just turned very very funny.

Hahaha!!!!
DiabloWags
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Looks like someone on my ignore list got triggered again.


"Cults don't end well. They really don't."
concordtom
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DiabloWags said:

concordtom said:




Hey, DW, why don't we get together for a Tour de Concorde in your new sports car. You drive, and I'll record potholes with pen and paper, k?



Hahahahhaaaa!

I had an email or two earlier this morning with the head of Public Works and the City Engineer.
They've pretty much taken care of the 30 potholes that I've reported.
Major repaving projects will roll out this JULY.

Finally.






Look familiar Tom?
This is right in front of the entrance to YV High School on Oak Grove.


You must have Googled the wrong ConcordTom.
I drive across Oak Grove, not on it!

Here's the way this works: I know who you are, but you don't know who I am.
calbear93
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DiabloWags said:

Looks like someone on my ignore list got triggered again.



It is hilarious that you still think that's a negative as opposed to a positive that it really is.

I suspect everyone wishes they were on your ignore list. You are beyond cringy.

So delusional and so lacking in any form of understated confidence or self-awareness.

What would we do without your unsolicited request for friendship?

All I can say is THANK YOU!
concordtom
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calbear93 said:

DiabloWags said:

Looks like someone on my ignore list got triggered again.



It is hilarious that you still think that's a negative as opposed to a positive that it really is.

I suspect everyone wishes they were on your ignore list. You are beyond cringy.

So delusional and so lacking in any form of understated confidence or self-awareness.

What would we do without your unsolicited request for friendship?

All I can say is THANK YOU!


Aw come on!
Can't we all just get along?
No piling on - unless we're talking about Trump.

I'll still have a beer, with either one of you.
(At least digitally.)

calbear93
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concordtom said:

calbear93 said:

DiabloWags said:

Looks like someone on my ignore list got triggered again.



It is hilarious that you still think that's a negative as opposed to a positive that it really is.

I suspect everyone wishes they were on your ignore list. You are beyond cringy.

So delusional and so lacking in any form of understated confidence or self-awareness.

What would we do without your unsolicited request for friendship?

All I can say is THANK YOU!


Aw come on!
Can't we all just get along?
No piling on - unless we're talking about Trump.

I'll still have a beer, with either one of you. (At least digitally.)
I am perfectly fine with him if he will stop obsessing over me. If so, truly no hard feelings, but for someone who claims to have me on ignore, he sure reads everything I write and finds random reasons to call out my username out of the blue and say something cringy.

If he keeps to his word and puts me on ignore and does not make it personal or find random reason to express how much I am in his head all the time, I have no interest in carrying on this nonsense further. I would much rather discuss world issues with folks with interesting viewpoints.
GoOskie
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I post this in all seriousness.

When Cal finally wins the PAC 12, or PAC 10, or PAC 8... or if things change and it's the MWC...or even the FCS. Hell, I'd take a Division 3 championship at this point.

What I'm trying to say is when our Cal Bears are finally champs again, I will buy everyone here a beer. Or Truly if you swing that way. Even BareFarce. Well, maybe BareFarce. Hell, why not. Even BareFarce.
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calbear93
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GoOskie said:

I post this in all seriousness.

When Cal finally wins the PAC 12, or PAC 10, or PAC 8... or if things change and it's the MWC...or even the FCS. Hell, I'd take a Division 3 championship at this point.

What I'm trying to say is when our Cal Bears are finally champs again, I will buy everyone here a beer. Or Truly if you swing that way. Even BareFarce. Well, maybe BareFarce. Hell, why not. Even BareFarce.
I assume you mean football. If so, I will buy the second round. But I am only buying Bud Light.
concordtom
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Truly?
Is that some gay drink?



I'm not gay, but I'll try it!
DiabloWags
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GoOskie said:

I post this in all seriousness.

When Cal finally wins the PAC 12, or PAC 10, or PAC 8... or if things change and it's the MWC...or even the FCS. Hell, I'd take a Division 3 championship at this point.

What I'm trying to say is when our Cal Bears are finally champs again, I will buy everyone here a beer. Or Truly if you swing that way. Even BareFarce. Well, maybe BareFarce. Hell, why not. Even BareFarce

Even Hell to Pay in Rossmoor?

Tell ya what, it's a lot easier being a Cal Water Polo fan.

Still time to jump on the bandwagon. Nearly all of the starters are back and we're going for the 3-PEAT.

The Championship Match will take place down at USC.

Couldnt be set up any better!




"Cults don't end well. They really don't."
going4roses
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BI the home of thread derailment
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concordtom
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going4roses said:

BI the home of thread derailment

Ah, there's so much love in the world!
It's good to be alive.
concordtom
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going4roses said:

BI the home of thread derailment

No thread derailment.
2nd amendment - freedom of speech!

(Yes, I know, go with it.)
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