Poor CANADA

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HawaiiBear33
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You have to read 13 posts to get the gist but their system really sucks. Our system is not perfect but holy crap they are sctewed by a horrible process.
Big C
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Simple solution to fix Canada's anti-democratic process: annex those SOBs. Don't make them a state though because what if their voters went rogue and turned our Congress blue? They can be a non-voting territory... and they ought to thank us.
MinotStateBeav
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Anarchistbear
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Big C said:


Simple solution to fix Canada's anti-democratic process: annex those SOBs. Don't make them a state though because what if their voters went rogue and turned our Congress blue? They can be a non-voting territory... and they ought to thank us.


Plus they are so dumb they won't realize they are bigger than we but can't vote. Just let them play the "USA" in hockey, win and sing their dorky anthem
Eastern Oregon Bear
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HawaiiBear33 said:



You have to read 13 posts to get the gist but their system really sucks. Our system is not perfect but holy crap they are sctewed by a horrible process.
Just learning about the Parliamentary form of government?

Pssst… that's how England and most any country that was in the British Commonwealth and has a Prime Minister operates. The US is an exception, not the rule, though in a similar vein, Congress selects their Party Leaders to run the show the same way as Canada selects their Prime Minister.
calpoly
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Eastern Oregon Bear said:

HawaiiBear33 said:



You have to read 13 posts to get the gist but their system really sucks. Our system is not perfect but holy crap they are sctewed by a horrible process.
Just learning about the Parlimentary form of government?

Pssst… that's how England and most any country that was in the British Commonwealth and has a Prime Minister operates. The US is an exception, not the rule, though in a similar vein, Congress selects their Party Leaders to run the show the same way as Canada selects their Prime Minister.
I am sue you have noticed that magat's are not that bright.
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calpoly said:

Eastern Oregon Bear said:

HawaiiBear33 said:



You have to read 13 posts to get the gist but their system really sucks. Our system is not perfect but holy crap they are sctewed by a horrible process.
Just learning about the Parlimentary form of government?

Pssst… that's how England and most any country that was in the British Commonwealth and has a Prime Minister operates. The US is an exception, not the rule, though in a similar vein, Congress selects their Party Leaders to run the show the same way as Canada selects their Prime Minister.
I am sue you have noticed that magat's are not that bright.


Please write coherently when accusing people of not being bright. Thank you.
SBGold
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oski003 said:

calpoly said:

Eastern Oregon Bear said:

HawaiiBear33 said:



You have to read 13 posts to get the gist but their system really sucks. Our system is not perfect but holy crap they are sctewed by a horrible process.
Just learning about the Parlimentary form of government?

Pssst… that's how England and most any country that was in the British Commonwealth and has a Prime Minister operates. The US is an exception, not the rule, though in a similar vein, Congress selects their Party Leaders to run the show the same way as Canada selects their Prime Minister.
I am sue you have noticed that magat's are not that bright.


Please write coherently when accusing people of not being bright. Thank you.
I understood it with the typo, MAGAts are dumb. Been obvious for years on OT.

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Cal88
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Canada's system has a few advantages over the US electoral system:
-No Citizen United unlimited funding/lobbying
-Fewer barriers to entries to new/smaller parties, while the US is a complete duopoly
-Elections can be called if the majority receives a vote of non-confidence

Disadvantages:
-Outsiders like Trump can't emerge from the main parties, they would instead have to form their own parties.
-"First to the post" in every riding wins the seat, therefore parties can get an absolute majority in the Parliament with as little as 35% of the popular vote.
-Dissent within parties is not allowed, IIRC a party can expel and replace sitting members of the Parliament if they go "too far".
sycasey
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Eastern Oregon Bear said:

HawaiiBear33 said:



You have to read 13 posts to get the gist but their system really sucks. Our system is not perfect but holy crap they are sctewed by a horrible process.
Just learning about the Parliamentary form of government?

Pssst… that's how England and most any country that was in the British Commonwealth and has a Prime Minister operates. The US is an exception, not the rule, though in a similar vein, Congress selects their Party Leaders to run the show the same way as Canada selects their Prime Minister.
It's also worth noting that when the US was helping Germany and Japan set up their own democratic systems after WW2, we recommended a system more like this and not like ours. The Presidential system we have basically quashes 3rd parties and sets us up for polarization.
sycasey
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calpoly said:

Eastern Oregon Bear said:

HawaiiBear33 said:



You have to read 13 posts to get the gist but their system really sucks. Our system is not perfect but holy crap they are sctewed by a horrible process.
Just learning about the Parlimentary form of government?

Pssst… that's how England and most any country that was in the British Commonwealth and has a Prime Minister operates. The US is an exception, not the rule, though in a similar vein, Congress selects their Party Leaders to run the show the same way as Canada selects their Prime Minister.
I am sue you have noticed that magat's are not that bright.

This topic is pretty instructive of how much these guys don't know anything about anything and think they've leaned the real truth from Twitter memes.
Big C
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sycasey said:

Eastern Oregon Bear said:

HawaiiBear33 said:



You have to read 13 posts to get the gist but their system really sucks. Our system is not perfect but holy crap they are sctewed by a horrible process.
Just learning about the Parliamentary form of government?

Pssst… that's how England and most any country that was in the British Commonwealth and has a Prime Minister operates. The US is an exception, not the rule, though in a similar vein, Congress selects their Party Leaders to run the show the same way as Canada selects their Prime Minister.
It's also worth noting that when the US was helping Germany and Japan set up their own democratic systems after WW2, we recommended a system more like this and not like ours. The Presidential system we have basically quashes 3rd parties and sets us up for polarization.

We are polarized these days, but in theory, a two-party system might have both parties vying for the center.

Of course, that assumes there is a "center". It's a little different these days when so many people can choose content that reinforces what they want to believe.
SBGold
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sycasey said:

calpoly said:

Eastern Oregon Bear said:

HawaiiBear33 said:



You have to read 13 posts to get the gist but their system really sucks. Our system is not perfect but holy crap they are sctewed by a horrible process.
Just learning about the Parlimentary form of government?

Pssst… that's how England and most any country that was in the British Commonwealth and has a Prime Minister operates. The US is an exception, not the rule, though in a similar vein, Congress selects their Party Leaders to run the show the same way as Canada selects their Prime Minister.
I am sue you have noticed that magat's are not that bright.

This topic is pretty instructive of how much these guys don't know anything about anything and think they've leaned the real truth from Twitter memes.
MAGAts are just dopes that parrot nonsense they see in their online bubbles. So dumb and useless

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sycasey
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Big C said:

sycasey said:

Eastern Oregon Bear said:

HawaiiBear33 said:



You have to read 13 posts to get the gist but their system really sucks. Our system is not perfect but holy crap they are sctewed by a horrible process.
Just learning about the Parliamentary form of government?

Pssst… that's how England and most any country that was in the British Commonwealth and has a Prime Minister operates. The US is an exception, not the rule, though in a similar vein, Congress selects their Party Leaders to run the show the same way as Canada selects their Prime Minister.
It's also worth noting that when the US was helping Germany and Japan set up their own democratic systems after WW2, we recommended a system more like this and not like ours. The Presidential system we have basically quashes 3rd parties and sets us up for polarization.

We are polarized these days, but in theory, a two-party system might have both parties vying for the center.

Of course, that assumes there is a "center". It's a little different these days when so many people can choose content that reinforces what they want to believe.
Yeah, and in truth we've seen US politics go from more "center consensus" to "polarized" and back again. So we might just be in a polarized moment and the worm will turn again.

It's true that having a directly-elected President as head of government and head of state does tend to squash third parties, though. You have one party to support the President's agenda and one to oppose it, and those who are outside of that find it easier to just fall in with one of those two sides than to try making a viable third party. Even when a third party does rise successfully (like the Republicans under Lincoln), it just winds up replacing one of the other major parties (bye bye Whigs).
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HawaiiBear33 said:



You have to read 13 posts to get the gist but their system really sucks. Our system is not perfect but holy crap they are sctewed by a horrible process.
Isn't this the way all Parliamentary systems work? You pretty much know who is going to be the party leader but you are not literally voting for that person, etc.
MinotStateBeav
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People think the US is a 2 party system. But it's really not. For example, in the Republican party, you have different wings and Neocons and MAGA do not agree on most things and you have a more libertarian (Ron Paul types). So really it's 3 or 4 different groups under the Republican party. The Democrat party from what I can see has a Neocon wing and a Progressive Wing and I think a centrist wing but I don't see who that is really...cept maybe the guy from Pennsylvania.

I think our system is actually a better system in actually getting something done. You think US bureaucracy is bad, Europe's is 20 times worse. Now where OUR system fails is it is a LOT more vulnerable to being bought off with lobbyist money. If we could clean that up, we'd be really cooking.
Big C
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sycasey said:

Big C said:

sycasey said:

Eastern Oregon Bear said:

HawaiiBear33 said:



You have to read 13 posts to get the gist but their system really sucks. Our system is not perfect but holy crap they are sctewed by a horrible process.
Just learning about the Parliamentary form of government?

Pssst… that's how England and most any country that was in the British Commonwealth and has a Prime Minister operates. The US is an exception, not the rule, though in a similar vein, Congress selects their Party Leaders to run the show the same way as Canada selects their Prime Minister.
It's also worth noting that when the US was helping Germany and Japan set up their own democratic systems after WW2, we recommended a system more like this and not like ours. The Presidential system we have basically quashes 3rd parties and sets us up for polarization.

We are polarized these days, but in theory, a two-party system might have both parties vying for the center.

Of course, that assumes there is a "center". It's a little different these days when so many people can choose content that reinforces what they want to believe.
Yeah, and in truth we've seen US politics go from more "center consensus" to "polarized" and back again. So we might just be in a polarized moment and the worm will turn again.

It's true that having a directly-elected President as head of government and head of state does tend to squash third parties, though. You have one party to support the President's agenda and one to oppose it, and those who are outside of that find it easier to just fall in with one of those two sides than to try making a viable third party. Even when a third party does rise successfully (like the Republicans under Lincoln), it just winds up replacing one of the other major parties (bye bye Whigs).

Almost impossible to launch a successful third party in the US, but if it were to happen, I'd like to see a "common sense" party that avoided the bs from both sides. As most folks know, I am probably left-of-center, but there's a fair amount of bs on the left (to go with a whole lot on the right).

If somebody wants to say hey, there's some on the right, but a whole lot more on the left, okay fine, I respect that: you can be the right wing of my new Common Sense party.
SBGold
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MinotStateBeav said:

People think the US is a 2 party system. But it's really not. For example, in the Republican party, you have different wings and Neocons and MAGA do not agree on most things and you have a more libertarian (Ron Paul types). So really it's 3 or 4 different groups under the Republican party. The Democrat party from what I can see has a Neocon wing and a Progressive Wing and I think a centrist wing but I don't see who that is really...cept maybe the guy from Pennsylvania.

I think our system is actually a better system in actually getting something done. You think US bureaucracy is bad, Europe's is 20 times worse. Now where OUR system fails is it is a LOT more vulnerable to being bought off with lobbyist money. If we could clean that up, we'd be really cooking.
Yeah, Repugs won't let that happen clean up happen though.

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tequila4kapp
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Big C said:


Almost impossible to launch a successful third party in the US, but if it were to happen, I'd like to see a "common sense" party that avoided the bs from both sides. As most folks know, I am probably left-of-center, but there's a fair amount of bs on the left (to go with a whole lot on the right).
The problem with that is that everyone inherently sees their own world views as 'common sense' and other's views as non-sensical.
sycasey
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Anarchistbear said:


Much of this graph is being proven untrue as we speak.
bear2034
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Noam Chomsky hates Trump as much as the Uni-party.
bear2034
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MinotStateBeav said:

People think the US is a 2 party system. But it's really not. For example, in the Republican party, you have different wings and Neocons and MAGA do not agree on most things and you have a more libertarian (Ron Paul types). So really it's 3 or 4 different groups under the Republican party. The Democrat party from what I can see has a Neocon wing and a Progressive Wing and I think a centrist wing but I don't see who that is really...cept maybe the guy from Pennsylvania.

I think our system is actually a better system in actually getting something done. You think US bureaucracy is bad, Europe's is 20 times worse. Now where OUR system fails is it is a LOT more vulnerable to being bought off with lobbyist money. If we could clean that up, we'd be really cooking.

The Necon wing and Progressive wing of the Democratic Party seem indistinguishable from each other since they vote exactly the same way. And the guy from Pennsylvania who abstains from making negative comments about Trump and MAGA voters to the media, votes with the Necons and Progressives on every crucial vote.
bear2034
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tequila4kapp said:

Big C said:


Almost impossible to launch a successful third party in the US, but if it were to happen, I'd like to see a "common sense" party that avoided the bs from both sides. As most folks know, I am probably left-of-center, but there's a fair amount of bs on the left (to go with a whole lot on the right).
The problem with that is that everyone inherently sees their own world views as 'common sense' and other's views as non-sensical.

It seems like common sense to deport people who came here illegally and committed crimes, to find and eliminate government waste, fraud, and abuse, to close the border and add security and policies to discourage illegal crossings, to ban men from women's sports, to eliminate racial preferences in hiring and awarding of government contracts, and to place reciprocal tariffs on countries that have tariffs on U.S. goods.
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