Cal would be particularly at risk of existential damage - maybe even more than Harvard- if we seen the universities ability to issue student visas. SO many foreign students have gone onto graduate, get green cards, then citizenship and contribute BILLIONS to US GDP. I would hope that particular MAGA folks that say they care about the university would get on the phone to a Republican member of congress and express opposition.
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Sure, but those maga types that want to ban them are concerned because they have slanty eyes, yellow skin, and are a hell of a lot smarter!!
"SO many foreign students have gone onto graduate, get green cards, then citizenship and contribute BILLIONS to US GDP."
Can we somehow blackmail the Cal grads to lay heavy bread on our NIL fund so we can crush it in the ACC in hoop and football? Asking for a friend (Jen) of a friend (Big C).
Can we somehow blackmail the Cal grads to lay heavy bread on our NIL fund so we can crush it in the ACC in hoop and football? Asking for a friend (Jen) of a friend (Big C).
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So here is a dumb question, why not play this smart, vet the crap out of the students, and then offer them a golden visa if they finish their degree and stay here to work? Why not try to get some intellectual capital immigration for a change? These are the best and brightest from other countries (at least if they are getting into Harvard and Cal), why not corrupt them with the American way of life. Allow the visa to be named after Trump to make it an ego play. Make them citizens after 10 years of being here. Want to grown the economy and create jobs? Do this.
The problem is that the point is really just to keep the immigrants out. The rest doesn't matter to these folks. (Unless they are white farmers from South Africa, I guess.)
no postbearister said:
"SO many foreign students have gone onto graduate, get green cards, then citizenship and contribute BILLIONS to US GDP."
Can we somehow blackmail the Cal grads to lay heavy bread on our NIL fund so we can crush it in the ACC in hoop and football? Asking for a friend (Jen) of a friend (Big C).
concordtom said:
Sure, but those maga types that want to ban them are concerned because they have slanty eyes, yellow skin, and are a hell of a lot smarter!!
Democrats confess their sins through projection.
socaltownie said:
Cal would be particularly at risk of existential damage - maybe even more than Harvard- if we seen the universities ability to issue student visas. SO many foreign students have gone onto graduate, get green cards, then citizenship and contribute BILLIONS to US GDP. I would hope that particular MAGA folks that say they care about the university would get on the phone to a Republican member of congress and express opposition.
The University of California serves Californians. Not Nebraskans, not Oregonians, not foreigners.
Besides, there are always open slots at Riverside and Merced if others are interested.
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The administration is not preventing all foreign students.
Columbia is cooperating with the administration and their right to participate in the student visa program is just fine. Harvard is refusing to provide student disciplinary records, etc. The Admin has every right to vet students; the Visas are a gift, not a guarantee. Harvard is doing this to themselves.
China is a unique situation. See the recent Stanfurd report about infiltration. CCP aligned students are required to spy. It is a Communist country. It is a bit difficult to believe China allows students who are not aligned to the CCP are allowed to come here to study. This is a sledgehammer solution where perhaps a large scalpel could do the job but there's justification here.
I am not saying we shouldn't allow foreign students. But if you spend any time in the world of college admissions you will see how insanely hyper competitive it is. There are absolutely enough deserving and smart American kids to fill these spots.
Columbia is cooperating with the administration and their right to participate in the student visa program is just fine. Harvard is refusing to provide student disciplinary records, etc. The Admin has every right to vet students; the Visas are a gift, not a guarantee. Harvard is doing this to themselves.
China is a unique situation. See the recent Stanfurd report about infiltration. CCP aligned students are required to spy. It is a Communist country. It is a bit difficult to believe China allows students who are not aligned to the CCP are allowed to come here to study. This is a sledgehammer solution where perhaps a large scalpel could do the job but there's justification here.
I am not saying we shouldn't allow foreign students. But if you spend any time in the world of college admissions you will see how insanely hyper competitive it is. There are absolutely enough deserving and smart American kids to fill these spots.
The people advocating anti-immigration policies for college students either:wifeisafurd said:
So here is a dumb question, why not play this smart, vet the crap out of the students, and then offer them a golden visa if they finish their degree and stay here to work? Why not try to get some intellectual capital immigration for a change? These are the best and brightest from other countries (at least if they are getting into Harvard and Cal), why not corrupt them with the American way of life. Allow the visa to be named after Trump to make it an ego play. Make them citizens after 10 years of being here. Want to grown the economy and create jobs? Do this.
- Don't appreciate the contributions many of these folks make to our economy after graduation
- They know these folks are smart and hard-working and frankly don't want to have to (or don't want their kids to have to) compete against them for jobs
This matters more at the graduate level where foreign students dominate and the arguments about keeping them are stronger
The government has no right to tell a University who to admit. We'll see what our fake judicial system decides
The government has no right to tell a University who to admit. We'll see what our fake judicial system decides
HearstMining said:The people advocating anti-immigration policies for college students either:wifeisafurd said:
So here is a dumb question, why not play this smart, vet the crap out of the students, and then offer them a golden visa if they finish their degree and stay here to work? Why not try to get some intellectual capital immigration for a change? These are the best and brightest from other countries (at least if they are getting into Harvard and Cal), why not corrupt them with the American way of life. Allow the visa to be named after Trump to make it an ego play. Make them citizens after 10 years of being here. Want to grown the economy and create jobs? Do this.or
- Don't appreciate the contributions many of these folks make to our economy after graduation
- They know these folks are smart and hard-working and frankly don't want to have to (or don't want their kids to have to) compete against them for jobs
Are you referring to legal or illegal immigration policies?
Care to guess how many of those American kids have parents who are immigrants?tequila4kapp said:
The administration is not preventing all foreign students.
Columbia is cooperating with the administration and their right to participate in the student visa program is just fine. Harvard is refusing to provide student disciplinary records, etc. The Admin has every right to vet students; the Visas are a gift, not a guarantee. Harvard is doing this to themselves.
China is a unique situation. See the recent Stanfurd report about infiltration. CCP aligned students are required to spy. It is a Communist country. It is a bit difficult to believe China allows students who are not aligned to the CCP are allowed to come here to study. This is a sledgehammer solution where perhaps a large scalpel could do the job but there's justification here.
I am not saying we shouldn't allow foreign students. But if you spend any time in the world of college admissions you will see how insanely hyper competitive it is. There are absolutely enough deserving and smart American kids to fill these spots.
Legal or illegal? I bet most were legal.HearstMining said:Care to guess how many of those American kids have parents who are immigrants?tequila4kapp said:
The administration is not preventing all foreign students.
Columbia is cooperating with the administration and their right to participate in the student visa program is just fine. Harvard is refusing to provide student disciplinary records, etc. The Admin has every right to vet students; the Visas are a gift, not a guarantee. Harvard is doing this to themselves.
China is a unique situation. See the recent Stanfurd report about infiltration. CCP aligned students are required to spy. It is a Communist country. It is a bit difficult to believe China allows students who are not aligned to the CCP are allowed to come here to study. This is a sledgehammer solution where perhaps a large scalpel could do the job but there's justification here.
I am not saying we shouldn't allow foreign students. But if you spend any time in the world of college admissions you will see how insanely hyper competitive it is. There are absolutely enough deserving and smart American kids to fill these spots.
HearstMining said:Care to guess how many of those American kids have parents who are immigrants?tequila4kapp said:
The administration is not preventing all foreign students.
Columbia is cooperating with the administration and their right to participate in the student visa program is just fine. Harvard is refusing to provide student disciplinary records, etc. The Admin has every right to vet students; the Visas are a gift, not a guarantee. Harvard is doing this to themselves.
China is a unique situation. See the recent Stanfurd report about infiltration. CCP aligned students are required to spy. It is a Communist country. It is a bit difficult to believe China allows students who are not aligned to the CCP are allowed to come here to study. This is a sledgehammer solution where perhaps a large scalpel could do the job but there's justification here.
I am not saying we shouldn't allow foreign students. But if you spend any time in the world of college admissions you will see how insanely hyper competitive it is. There are absolutely enough deserving and smart American kids to fill these spots.
I would guess a majority.
If you look as well at leading tech corporations - Google, Nvidia, Tesla, Apple, Yahoo etc there is a huge footprint of immigrant entrepreneurs. The majority of Silicon Valley EEs are immigrants or sons of immigrants.
Schools like USF, Pepperdine, SCU, LMU, Tufts, Boston U would take a huge hit as they depend more on foreign students paying full tuition. As noted above, these revenue streams subsidize domestic students on scholarships.
Banning Chinese students would be an own goal for two reasons, as these grads end up promoting American culture and influence at home, and if they stay, constitute a major brain drain from China in favor of the US.
Anarchistbear said:
This matters more at the graduate level where foreign students dominate and the arguments about keeping them are stronger
The government has no right to tell a University who to admit. We'll see what our fake judicial system decides
Regardless of the courts decisions, foreign students can be barred from entering the US by immigration officers at the point of entry.
I would argue these folks create more jobs for their kids. I think the data will show that.HearstMining said:The people advocating anti-immigration policies for college students either:wifeisafurd said:
So here is a dumb question, why not play this smart, vet the crap out of the students, and then offer them a golden visa if they finish their degree and stay here to work? Why not try to get some intellectual capital immigration for a change? These are the best and brightest from other countries (at least if they are getting into Harvard and Cal), why not corrupt them with the American way of life. Allow the visa to be named after Trump to make it an ego play. Make them citizens after 10 years of being here. Want to grown the economy and create jobs? Do this.or
- Don't appreciate the contributions many of these folks make to our economy after graduation
- They know these folks are smart and hard-working and frankly don't want to have to (or don't want their kids to have to) compete against them for jobs
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