By a factor of 2 to 1, you want a new political party and you shall have it!

When it comes to bankrupting our country with waste & graft, we live in a one-party system, not a democracy.

Today, the America Party is formed to give you back your freedom. https://t.co/9K8AD04QQN

— Elon Musk (@elonmusk) July 5, 2025

Could actually become a very key "swing" vote in the legislative process.

People don't like two parties. The more choices, the better for our "democracy" and voters. Even with this raging junkie.

When are the Dems going to start spying on Elon if they haven't been doing so already?

Can he bought even though he's worth more than Nancy Pelosi, Hillary Clinton, and Bernie Sanders combined?

Anarchistbear said:

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People don't like two parties. The more choices, the better for our "democracy" and voters. Even with this raging junkie.

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Straight dope fiend

Anarchistbear said:

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People don't like two parties. The more choices, the better for our "democracy" and voters. Even with this raging junkie.

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People may not like two parties but in our winner-take-all Constitutional system, a third party only destroy the party it takes the most voters from. The winner is the party with less crossover appeal to the 3rd party. The supporters of the 3rd party that crossed over end up worse off.

The only way is to take a party over from the inside, like Trump did.

dajo9 said:

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The only way is to take a party over from the inside, like Trump did.

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And that's your "third" party.

dajo9 said:

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Anarchistbear said:

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People don't like two parties. The more choices, the better for our "democracy" and voters. Even with this raging junkie.

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People may not like two parties but in our winner-take-all Constitutional system, a third party only destroy the party it takes the most voters from. The winner is the party with less crossover appeal to the 3rd party. The supporters of the 3rd party that crossed over end up worse off.

The only way is to take a party over from the inside, like Trump did.

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The way to have viable 3rd parties long-term would be to re-work our system to be more like a Parliamentary system; in those you have people elect reps and then the reps elect a Prime Minister, and the PM therefore often has to be the result of coalition-building between the parties.

Because we also directly elect our President as the head of government then everything naturally edges towards having one party to support him and one to oppose him. Whenever third parties have gained any traction in the US they have typically just had their platform co-opted by one of the two major parties and withered away. Once in a very long while there will be enough weakness in a major party that it winds up being replaced by a third party (see: the Whigs). But after that realignment we return to the two-party system because our Constitution incentivizes it.

sycasey said:

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dajo9 said:

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Anarchistbear said:

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People don't like two parties. The more choices, the better for our "democracy" and voters. Even with this raging junkie.

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People may not like two parties but in our winner-take-all Constitutional system, a third party only destroy the party it takes the most voters from. The winner is the party with less crossover appeal to the 3rd party. The supporters of the 3rd party that crossed over end up worse off.

The only way is to take a party over from the inside, like Trump did.

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The way to have viable 3rd parties long-term would be to re-work our system to be more like a Parliamentary system; in those you have people elect reps and then the reps elect a Prime Minister, and the PM therefore often has to be the result of coalition-building between the parties.

Because we also directly elect our President as the head of government then everything naturally edges towards having one party to support him and one to oppose him. Whenever third parties have gained any traction in the US they have typically just had their platform co-opted by one of the two major parties and withered away. Once in a very long while there will be enough weakness in a major party that it winds up being replaced by a third party (see: the Whigs). But after that realignment we return to the two-party system because our Constitution incentivizes it.

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All kinds of changes I'd like to see if we are changing the Constitution. Our constitution is a 21st century failure.

I'm not sure Elon Musk has much appeal anymore, especially as someone starting a new political party. It sounds like it would be based on libertarian principles? Well, how's the Libertarian Party doing? Does it even exist anymore?

That said, I think many Americans are craving a "Common Sense Party" in the center:

+ no cringe bs
+ reasonable attempt at equal opportunity and justice for all Americans... with some damn respect for everybody
+ regulated capitalism that is fiscally responsible
+ recognize that government has a role; make it better and more efficient
+ try and lead the world to a better place without meddling in other country's affairs

Big C said:

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I'm not sure Elon Musk has much appeal anymore, especially as someone starting a new political party. It sounds like it would be based on libertarian principles? Well, how's the Libertarian Party doing? Does it even exist anymore?

That said, I think many Americans are craving a "Common Sense Party" in the center:

+ no cringe bs
+ reasonable attempt at equal opportunity and justice for all Americans
+ regulated capitalism that is fiscally responsible
+ recognize that government has a role; make it better and more efficient
+ try and lead the world to a better place without meddling in other country's affairs

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We already have that in the Democratic Party

dajo9 said:

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Big C said:

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I'm not sure Elon Musk has much appeal anymore, especially as someone starting a new political party. It sounds like it would be based on libertarian principles? Well, how's the Libertarian Party doing? Does it even exist anymore?

That said, I think many Americans are craving a "Common Sense Party" in the center:

+ no cringe bs
+ reasonable attempt at equal opportunity and justice for all Americans
+ regulated capitalism that is fiscally responsible
+ recognize that government has a role; make it better and more efficient
+ try and lead the world to a better place without meddling in other country's affairs

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We already have that in the Democratic Party

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Mostly, but we said some stuff that made a lot of people cringe. You and I may not have cringed, but plenty of swing voters did. And I never heard Biden or Harris talk about fiscal responsibility or government efficiency. Maybe they did, but I certainly never heard it.

Yes, though, a centrist Democratic Party platform is not far from where we ought to be, IMO.

Proportional representation would be a good first step which incidentally is not banned by the constitution but by an act of Congress in the 1960's

dajo9 said:

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Big C said:

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I'm not sure Elon Musk has much appeal anymore, especially as someone starting a new political party. It sounds like it would be based on libertarian principles? Well, how's the Libertarian Party doing? Does it even exist anymore?

That said, I think many Americans are craving a "Common Sense Party" in the center:

+ no cringe bs
+ reasonable attempt at equal opportunity and justice for all Americans
+ regulated capitalism that is fiscally responsible
+ recognize that government has a role; make it better and more efficient
+ try and lead the world to a better place without meddling in other country's affairs

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We already have that in the Democratic Party

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Nah, you want equal outcomes, not equal opportunity.

Because traffic cops were pulling over so many minorities (i.e., blacks) because blacks commit a disproportionate number of infractions, the City of Berkeley literally stopped enforcing their traffic laws. Pure stupidity. I could easily give you 50 other examples, such as "defund the police."

Progressives, in particular, are naive idiots.

Yikes here we go again with the simultaneous gaslighting and racist reaching lord have mercy on y'all souls geez us H Christ.

I guess to yall Europeans were the chattel slaves that built America huh and unicorns exist