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Cal to Face Yale in 2018 Pac-12 China Game

November 10, 2017
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BERKELEY – California men's basketball will open the 2018-19 season against Yale in China in the fourth edition of the Pac-12 China Game presented by Alibaba Group.
 
The flagship event of Pac-12 Global is designed to grow the global popularity of Pac-12 athletic programs and universities, fostering cultural exchange through sport, and creating unique educational experiences for Pac-12 student-athletes.
 
In addition to the game, the trip will include educational and cultural experiences for student-athletes and university delegations.
 
"We're thrilled to be able to tip off our season representing the University of California and the Pac-12 in China next year," said Cal head coach Wyking Jones. "We have a unique opportunity to provide our student-athletes an enriching cultural experience on an international stage. Cal is a global brand, and our players will get a special opportunity to witness that firsthand. As someone who played abroad myself, I'm excited to share in this incredible experience with our basketball family."
 
The 2018 Pac-12 China Game will be presented by Alibaba Group with Federation of University Sports of China (FUSC), which operates under China's Ministry of Education, serving as the co-host for the game.
 
"The Pac-12 is thrilled to bring another exciting matchup to Chinese fans in 2018 with two fantastic
schools in the University of California, Berkeley and Yale," said Pac-12 Commissioner Larry Scott. "We are particularly pleased that this game will once again be presented by Alibaba whose own Joe Tsai is an esteemed alumni of Yale and co-hosted by the Federation of University Sports of China, two incredibly committed partners. The 2018 Pac-12 China Game will once again be an incredible educational experience for student-athletes and continue to grow the popularity of the Pac-12 and college sports in China."
 
The announcement was made before the tipoff of the 2017 UCLA and Georgia Tech China Game at Baoshan Arena in Shanghai, and just two days after another successful edition of the China-U.S. University Sports and Education Summit at Shanghai Jiao Tong University. The summit is an annual staple of the Pac-12 China Game and brings together university students, administrators, coaches, sports industry experts, and business and political leadership from China and the U.S. Just last month, the Pac-12 and Alibaba announced an expansion and extension of their China Game partnership, including Alibaba's continued sponsorship of the China Game through 2020 along with distribution of Pac-12 content in China across both linear and digital platforms through 2024.
 
Specific date, venue and broadcast information will be announced at a later date.

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Cal to Face Yale in 2018 Pac-12 China Game

Yogi Bear
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Let's make sure to educate our student athletes about current theft penalties in China.
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Yogi Bear said:

Let's make sure to educate our student athletes about current theft penalties in China.
More than that -- let's not send the team at all.

No excuse for the UCLA players shoplifting, but given that the Chinese government is going to detain them indefinitely in China while the rest of the team goes back to LA ... if the Pac-12 and its teams were smart, they'd just say no to any future games in China.


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I'm not sure I agree with your response to avoid doing this in light of events, but it does make me stop and think about it.
Interesting timing, to be sure.

Maybe doing it helps those kids get free, in a way. Maybe it keeps them in house arrest. I wonder what Tillerson has to say about it. Some Secretary of State, pffft!
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BearSD said:

Yogi Bear said:

Let's make sure to educate our student athletes about current theft penalties in China.
More than that -- let's not send the team at all.

No excuse for the UCLA players shoplifting, but given that the Chinese government is going to detain them indefinitely in China while the rest of the team goes back to LA ... if the Pac-12 and its teams were smart, they'd just say no to any future games in China.



Because the Chinese enforce their own laws? You act like this is some kind of political oppression.
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UrsaMajor said:

BearSD said:

Yogi Bear said:

Let's make sure to educate our student athletes about current theft penalties in China.
More than that -- let's not send the team at all.

No excuse for the UCLA players shoplifting, but given that the Chinese government is going to detain them indefinitely in China while the rest of the team goes back to LA ... if the Pac-12 and its teams were smart, they'd just say no to any future games in China.



Because the Chinese enforce their own laws? You act like this is some kind of political oppression.
It's a country well known for mistreating prisoners, both foreigners and their own nationals. I wouldn't send a college sports team to any such country.
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BearSD said:

UrsaMajor said:

BearSD said:

Yogi Bear said:

Let's make sure to educate our student athletes about current theft penalties in China.
More than that -- let's not send the team at all.

No excuse for the UCLA players shoplifting, but given that the Chinese government is going to detain them indefinitely in China while the rest of the team goes back to LA ... if the Pac-12 and its teams were smart, they'd just say no to any future games in China.



Because the Chinese enforce their own laws? You act like this is some kind of political oppression.
It's a country well known for mistreating prisoners, both foreigners and their own nationals. I wouldn't send a college sports team to any such country.

Or send them there and tell them not to rob. (I assume you don't do much traveling.)
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UrsaMajor said:

BearSD said:

UrsaMajor said:

BearSD said:

Yogi Bear said:

Let's make sure to educate our student athletes about current theft penalties in China.
More than that -- let's not send the team at all.

No excuse for the UCLA players shoplifting, but given that the Chinese government is going to detain them indefinitely in China while the rest of the team goes back to LA ... if the Pac-12 and its teams were smart, they'd just say no to any future games in China.



Because the Chinese enforce their own laws? You act like this is some kind of political oppression.
It's a country well known for mistreating prisoners, both foreigners and their own nationals. I wouldn't send a college sports team to any such country.

Or send them there and tell them not to rob. (I assume you don't do much traveling.)

I travel. But I'm not 18 years old, and I'm not traveling while in charge of a group of college kids on their first trip to a country like China.
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Maybe show them film of Otto Warmbier, the student arrested, tortured, and killed, in North Korea for stealing a political banner.
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I think it's great Cal is going to China, and interesting that Zhang is there repping Cal
also Yale is a good opponent for first game of the season
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BearSD said:

I travel. But I'm not 18 years old, and I'm not traveling while in charge of a group of college kids on their first trip to a country like China.
So shoplifting is inevitable among first-time college visitors to China? Interesting.
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BearSD said:

UrsaMajor said:

BearSD said:

Yogi Bear said:

Let's make sure to educate our student athletes about current theft penalties in China.
More than that -- let's not send the team at all.

No excuse for the UCLA players shoplifting, but given that the Chinese government is going to detain them indefinitely in China while the rest of the team goes back to LA ... if the Pac-12 and its teams were smart, they'd just say no to any future games in China.



Because the Chinese enforce their own laws? You act like this is some kind of political oppression.
It's a country well known for mistreating prisoners, both foreigners and their own nationals. I wouldn't send a college sports team to any such country.

In light of the horrific realities of our prison system, we should not throw stones.
BearSD
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southseasbear said:

BearSD said:

UrsaMajor said:

BearSD said:

Yogi Bear said:

Let's make sure to educate our student athletes about current theft penalties in China.
More than that -- let's not send the team at all.

No excuse for the UCLA players shoplifting, but given that the Chinese government is going to detain them indefinitely in China while the rest of the team goes back to LA ... if the Pac-12 and its teams were smart, they'd just say no to any future games in China.



Because the Chinese enforce their own laws? You act like this is some kind of political oppression.
It's a country well known for mistreating prisoners, both foreigners and their own nationals. I wouldn't send a college sports team to any such country.

In light of the horrific realities of our prison system, we should not throw stones.
You're thinking politically and I'm thinking practically.

Anyone who has kids understands that a large group of kids out together behaves far differently than one or two kids hanging out with their parents or other adults. A group of American college kids on their first overseas trip with minimal supervision shouldn't be going to China because of the possibility of incidents like the one with the UCLA players. It's silly to say, "Oh, it's just three bad apples and no one at our school would ever do anything like that, or it's just Alford who runs a really loose ship."

It's not worth it to put a group of college kids in that situation, just so Larry Scott can pose for photo ops in Asia and pretend he's some kind of marketing genius.

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BearSD said:

southseasbear said:

BearSD said:

UrsaMajor said:

BearSD said:

Yogi Bear said:

Let's make sure to educate our student athletes about current theft penalties in China.
More than that -- let's not send the team at all.

No excuse for the UCLA players shoplifting, but given that the Chinese government is going to detain them indefinitely in China while the rest of the team goes back to LA ... if the Pac-12 and its teams were smart, they'd just say no to any future games in China.



Because the Chinese enforce their own laws? You act like this is some kind of political oppression.
It's a country well known for mistreating prisoners, both foreigners and their own nationals. I wouldn't send a college sports team to any such country.

In light of the horrific realities of our prison system, we should not throw stones.
You're thinking politically and I'm thinking practically.

Anyone who has kids understands that a large group of kids out together behaves far differently than one or two kids hanging out with their parents or other adults. A group of American college kids on their first overseas trip with minimal supervision shouldn't be going to China because of the possibility of incidents like the one with the UCLA players. It's silly to say, "Oh, it's just three bad apples and no one at our school would ever do anything like that, or it's just Alford who runs a really loose ship."

It's not worth it to put a group of college kids in that situation, just so Larry Scott can pose for photo ops in Asia and pretend he's some kind of marketing genius.


why then would you allow them to go to Las Vegas, for instance?
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BearSD said:

southseasbear said:

BearSD said:

UrsaMajor said:

BearSD said:

Yogi Bear said:

Let's make sure to educate our student athletes about current theft penalties in China.
More than that -- let's not send the team at all.

No excuse for the UCLA players shoplifting, but given that the Chinese government is going to detain them indefinitely in China while the rest of the team goes back to LA ... if the Pac-12 and its teams were smart, they'd just say no to any future games in China.



Because the Chinese enforce their own laws? You act like this is some kind of political oppression.
It's a country well known for mistreating prisoners, both foreigners and their own nationals. I wouldn't send a college sports team to any such country.

In light of the horrific realities of our prison system, we should not throw stones.
You're thinking politically and I'm thinking practically.

Anyone who has kids understands that a large group of kids out together behaves far differently than one or two kids hanging out with their parents or other adults. A group of American college kids on their first overseas trip with minimal supervision shouldn't be going to China because of the possibility of incidents like the one with the UCLA players. It's silly to say, "Oh, it's just three bad apples and no one at our school would ever do anything like that, or it's just Alford who runs a really loose ship."

It's not worth it to put a group of college kids in that situation, just so Larry Scott can pose for photo ops in Asia and pretend he's some kind of marketing genius.


Couldn't agree less. Treat the players with the respect they deserve until they prove they are not worthy of that respect.
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So Pac-12 commissioner Larry Scott plugs Yale for its Alibaba connection but doesnt even mention that founder and chairman Jack Ma (China's richest man) audited classes at Cal and his only son is a Cal alum?
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calumnus said:

So Pac-12 commissioner Larry Scott plugs Yale for its Alibaba connection but doesnt even mention that founder and chairman Jack Ma (China's richest man) audited classes at Cal and his only son is a Cal alum?
Interesting! I didn't know any of that.

I'm actually in Hangzhou as we speak, and just visited Alibaba on Cal business. Nothing to do with the Pac-12 China Game... but I'm definitely gonna make it a mission to be back here next year for that. Just an amazing company.
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BearSD said:


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Anyone who has kids understands that a large group of kids out together behaves far differently than one or two kids hanging out with their parents or other adults. A group of American college kids on their first overseas trip with minimal supervision shouldn't be going to China because of the possibility of incidents like the one with the UCLA players. It's silly to say, "Oh, it's just three bad apples and no one at our school would ever do anything like that, or it's just Alford who runs a really loose ship."
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I must say that your perception/experience with kids, parents, China, college and travel are about the opposite of mine. But I'm OK with that.

:gobears
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BeachedBear said:

BearSD said:


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Anyone who has kids understands that a large group of kids out together behaves far differently than one or two kids hanging out with their parents or other adults. A group of American college kids on their first overseas trip with minimal supervision shouldn't be going to China because of the possibility of incidents like the one with the UCLA players. It's silly to say, "Oh, it's just three bad apples and no one at our school would ever do anything like that, or it's just Alford who runs a really loose ship."
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I must say that your perception/experience with kids, parents, China, college and travel are about the opposite of mine. But I'm OK with that.

:gobears
I'm with you. I've probably been to China 20 times in the past dozen years--with and without teenagers. Other than the really dangerous traffic (!) I find it a welcoming place. And, no, I don't believe that shoplifting from 3 high end stores is "normal" college behavior.
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