A proposal that has been given preliminary approval (a final vote will take place the first week of October):

Beginning with the 2022 recruiting class, schools can exceed the 25 limit on a one for one basis (up to 7) for every transfer they lose.

For example, School X loses three players who transfer elsewhere. That school will be permitted to sign 28 guys instead of 25.

The overall limit of 85 will remain in effect.

71Bear said:

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A proposal that has been given preliminary approval (a final vote will take place the first week of October):

Beginning with the 2022 recruiting class, schools can exceed the 25 limit on a one for one basis (up to 7) for every transfer they lose.

For example, School X loses three players who transfer elsewhere. That school will be permitted to sign 28 guys instead of 25.

The overall limit of 85 will remain in effect.

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A few years from now top schools like Alabama will be signing 40 or more player classes made up of top rated recruits. They will compete in camp and then anyone not on the two or three deep will enter the transfer portal. They will not have to refund the booster NIL money they got for signing, but will be encouraged to move on to open up slots for the next year. Repeat.

calumnus said:

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71Bear said:

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A proposal that has been given preliminary approval (a final vote will take place the first week of October):

Beginning with the 2022 recruiting class, schools can exceed the 25 limit on a one for one basis (up to 7) for every transfer they lose.

For example, School X loses three players who transfer elsewhere. That school will be permitted to sign 28 guys instead of 25.

The overall limit of 85 will remain in effect.

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A few years from now top schools like Alabama will be signing 40 or more player classes made up of top rated recruits. They will compete in camp and then anyone not on the two or three deep will enter the transfer portal. They will not have to refund the booster NIL money they got for signing, but will be encouraged to move on to open up slots for the next year. Repeat.

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Not quite. Given 7 is the max additional scholarships that can be offered (and only if you lose 7 transferees), the highest number of scholie that can be awarded in any given year is 32 (25+7).

The schools that will benefit the most are those that are losing guys to the premier programs (the opposite of your observation). They are experiencing a net outflow. Therefore, this rule will benefit them. Conversely, schools like Bama are not going to benefit as much because their outflow and inflow are roughly balanced each year. Therefore, they won't receive a net benefit.

calumnus said:

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71Bear said:

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A proposal that has been given preliminary approval (a final vote will take place the first week of October):

Beginning with the 2022 recruiting class, schools can exceed the 25 limit on a one for one basis (up to 7) for every transfer they lose.

For example, School X loses three players who transfer elsewhere. That school will be permitted to sign 28 guys instead of 25.

The overall limit of 85 will remain in effect.

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A few years from now top schools like Alabama will be signing 40 or more player classes made up of top rated recruits. They will compete in camp and then anyone not on the two or three deep will enter the transfer portal. They will not have to refund the booster NIL money they got for signing, but will be encouraged to move on to open up slots for the next year. Repeat.

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Well, this is more humane than how they did back in the Meat On The Hoof days. (read the book).

71Bear said:

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A proposal that has been given preliminary approval (a final vote will take place the first week of October):

Beginning with the 2022 recruiting class, schools can exceed the 25 limit on a one for one basis (up to 7) for every transfer they lose.

For example, School X loses three players who transfer elsewhere. That school will be permitted to sign 28 guys instead of 25.

The overall limit of 85 will remain in effect.

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It is a crucial rule. It is designed to keep some competitive balance. It will allow you to keep your scholarship numbers close to the max but not sure it helps with actually improving recruiting results. You still need to use the additional slots wisely and not reach for players. I think we see a lot of teams save these slots for transfers in, as the staffs push out some recruiting misses.

I think we could see a lot of outbound transfers from Cal after the season. They have some upperclassmen that have already been passed on the depth chart. ILB and DB has upperclassmen that have been bypassed and are currently being recruited over right now.

6956bear said:

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71Bear said:

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A proposal that has been given preliminary approval (a final vote will take place the first week of October):

Beginning with the 2022 recruiting class, schools can exceed the 25 limit on a one for one basis (up to 7) for every transfer they lose.

For example, School X loses three players who transfer elsewhere. That school will be permitted to sign 28 guys instead of 25.

The overall limit of 85 will remain in effect.

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It is a crucial rule. It is designed to keep some competitive balance. It will allow you to keep your scholarship numbers close to the max but not sure it helps with actually improving recruiting results. You still need to use the additional slots wisely and not reach for players. I think we see a lot of teams save these slots for transfers in, as the staffs push out some recruiting misses.

I think we could see a lot of outbound transfers from Cal after the season. They have some upperclassmen that have already been passed on the depth chart. ILB and DB has upperclassmen that have been bypassed and are currently being recruited over right now.

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True, Cal will use all 32 slots after all the talented upper class men are snatched up by ranked teams in their push to the playoffs.

6956bear said:

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71Bear said:

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A proposal that has been given preliminary approval (a final vote will take place the first week of October):

Beginning with the 2022 recruiting class, schools can exceed the 25 limit on a one for one basis (up to 7) for every transfer they lose.

For example, School X loses three players who transfer elsewhere. That school will be permitted to sign 28 guys instead of 25.

The overall limit of 85 will remain in effect.

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It is a crucial rule. It is designed to keep some competitive balance. It will allow you to keep your scholarship numbers close to the max but not sure it helps with actually improving recruiting results. You still need to use the additional slots wisely and not reach for players. I think we see a lot of teams save these slots for transfers in, as the staffs push out some recruiting misses.

I think we could see a lot of outbound transfers from Cal after the season. They have some upperclassmen that have already been passed on the depth chart. ILB and DB has upperclassmen that have been bypassed and are currently being recruited over right now.

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Exactly. It is interesting that some people immediately go to unlikely negative scenarios when new rules are implemented. Instead, the reality is this rule change is a positive for all schools as they attempt to navigate the transfer marketplace.

Bobodeluxe said:

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6956bear said:

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71Bear said:

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A proposal that has been given preliminary approval (a final vote will take place the first week of October):

Beginning with the 2022 recruiting class, schools can exceed the 25 limit on a one for one basis (up to 7) for every transfer they lose.

For example, School X loses three players who transfer elsewhere. That school will be permitted to sign 28 guys instead of 25.

The overall limit of 85 will remain in effect.

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It is a crucial rule. It is designed to keep some competitive balance. It will allow you to keep your scholarship numbers close to the max but not sure it helps with actually improving recruiting results. You still need to use the additional slots wisely and not reach for players. I think we see a lot of teams save these slots for transfers in, as the staffs push out some recruiting misses.

I think we could see a lot of outbound transfers from Cal after the season. They have some upperclassmen that have already been passed on the depth chart. ILB and DB has upperclassmen that have been bypassed and are currently being recruited over right now.

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True, Cal will use all 32 slots after all the talented upper class men are snatched up by ranked teams in their push to the playoffs.

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Players have a choice regarding whether they want to stay or go. The scenario you posted suggests the players have no say in their future. Not one player will be "snatched up". In fact, some players may opt to go elsewhere. If so, good for them, I wish them the best.

71Bear said:

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6956bear said:

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71Bear said:

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A proposal that has been given preliminary approval (a final vote will take place the first week of October):

Beginning with the 2022 recruiting class, schools can exceed the 25 limit on a one for one basis (up to 7) for every transfer they lose.

For example, School X loses three players who transfer elsewhere. That school will be permitted to sign 28 guys instead of 25.

The overall limit of 85 will remain in effect.

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It is a crucial rule. It is designed to keep some competitive balance. It will allow you to keep your scholarship numbers close to the max but not sure it helps with actually improving recruiting results. You still need to use the additional slots wisely and not reach for players. I think we see a lot of teams save these slots for transfers in, as the staffs push out some recruiting misses.

I think we could see a lot of outbound transfers from Cal after the season. They have some upperclassmen that have already been passed on the depth chart. ILB and DB has upperclassmen that have been bypassed and are currently being recruited over right now.

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Exactly. It is interesting that some people immediately go to unlikely negative scenarios when new rules are implemented. Instead, the reality is this rule change is a positive for all schools as they attempt to navigate the transfer marketplace.

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If you are referring to the scenario I proposed, it was not negative or positive, it was a prediction based on economics and game theory with the players seeking their best outcome and the coaches trying to maximize results for their team. It is a high stakes game with $millions at stake. The rules of the market will dictate the results. The limit to 7 (which could easily change in the future) will modify my prediction, but it essentially holds.

Overall the changes will result in increased freedom and compensation for college players which we both view as extremely positive.

We are essentially looking at what happened in pro sports with free agency, but with no salary caps. Teams with more resources will maximize their results under the rules. It is good for the players too. More players can seek the rewards of playing for the "big market" teams. Players who are sitting on the bench at Alabama are no longer "trapped" and can seek opportunities for playing time and stardom elsewhere.

As you point out the rule change wil help the small market teams that are good at finding or developing overlooked talent that they then lose to transfer.

Cal is somewhere in the middle. We have opportunities. We have largely done a poor job of making good on our opportunities. We will see how we fare in the emerging market under the new rules.

However, the rule changes are good for the players, including Cal's players, so i think we are in agreement that is a good thing.

I wasn't responding directly to your post. It was more of a general statement. When NIL was first discussed, the responses were decidedly negative, when the transfer rules were changed to eliminate the sit-out year, the overall tenor of the responses was quite negative.

I like the direction college athletics is headed. The more players are in a position to control their destiny, the better it is for everyone.

71Bear said:

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I wasn't responding directly to your post. It was more of a general statement. When NIL was first discussed, the responses were decidedly negative, when the transfer rules were changed to eliminate the sit-out year, the overall tenor of the responses was quite negative.

I like the direction college athletics is headed. The more players are in a position to control their destiny, the better it is for everyone.

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Agreed

The day will come in the not too distant future when we start talking about Cal's cap number.

CAL4LIFE said:

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The day will come in the not too distant future when we start talking about Cal's cap number.

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As long as the cap comes with a gown, Cal will be good to go…..

71Bear said:

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calumnus said:

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71Bear said:

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A proposal that has been given preliminary approval (a final vote will take place the first week of October):

Beginning with the 2022 recruiting class, schools can exceed the 25 limit on a one for one basis (up to 7) for every transfer they lose.

For example, School X loses three players who transfer elsewhere. That school will be permitted to sign 28 guys instead of 25.

The overall limit of 85 will remain in effect.

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A few years from now top schools like Alabama will be signing 40 or more player classes made up of top rated recruits. They will compete in camp and then anyone not on the two or three deep will enter the transfer portal. They will not have to refund the booster NIL money they got for signing, but will be encouraged to move on to open up slots for the next year. Repeat.

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Not quite. Given 7 is the max additional scholarships that can be offered (and only if you lose 7 transferees), the highest number of scholie that can be awarded in any given year is 32 (25+7).

The schools that will benefit the most are those that are losing guys to the premier programs (the opposite of your observation). They are experiencing a net outflow. Therefore, this rule will benefit them. Conversely, schools like Bama are not going to benefit as much because their outflow and inflow are roughly balanced each year. Therefore, they won't receive a net benefit.

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Yeah, this isn't going to work the way you think it will. It's going to create an even bigger gap between the haves and the have nots.

As if the bluebloods need a greater churn and burn rate. This just means that the football schools will simply "discard" more of their players by essentially telling them they will not get playing time and they'll just suck up an even larger amount of the talent pool.

71Bear said:

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A proposal that has been given preliminary approval (a final vote will take place the first week of October):

Beginning with the 2022 recruiting class, schools can exceed the 25 limit on a one for one basis (up to 7) for every transfer they lose.

For example, School X loses three players who transfer elsewhere. That school will be permitted to sign 28 guys instead of 25.

The overall limit of 85 will remain in effect.

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Update: This proposal was approved today. It is effective immediately.

Note: Transfer requests must be initiated by Dec 15th to enable the use of the additional recruiting slots in the recruiting cycle in the same academic year. Transferees must be academically eligible to play elsewhere.

What new transfers are starting this season for Cal?

UCLA has several impact transfers this year. Chip timed these impact transfers with upper classmen that started as freshmen 2-3 seasons ago. It almost worked, but they lost to ASU and FSU.

oski003 said:

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What new transfers are starting this season for Cal?

UCLA has several impact transfers this year. Chip timed these impact transfers with upper classmen that started as freshmen 2-3 seasons ago. It almost worked, but they lost to ASU and FSU.

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Bequette comes right to mind…

Quite frankly, I was thinking more about transfers out. Now, they can be replaced right away. This could result in a larger recruiting class for Cal than was originally anticipated….

71Bear said:

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71Bear said:

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A proposal that has been given preliminary approval (a final vote will take place the first week of October):

Beginning with the 2022 recruiting class, schools can exceed the 25 limit on a one for one basis (up to 7) for every transfer they lose.

For example, School X loses three players who transfer elsewhere. That school will be permitted to sign 28 guys instead of 25.

The overall limit of 85 will remain in effect.

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Update: This proposal was approved today. It is effective immediately.

Note: Transfer requests must be initiated by Dec 15th to enable the use of the additional recruiting slots in the recruiting cycle in the same academic year. Transferees must be academically eligible to play elsewhere.

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Also, every replacement above the normal 25 scholarship/year limit has to be a transfer, not a high school graduate. The number of transfers that can be replaced is capped at seven, so even if a team lost 15 players to transfer, they could still only sign a maximum of 32 in the 2022 class and at least 7 of those signees would have to be transfers from another college program.

This new rule is actually a one-year waiver, it only becomes permanent if the NCAA Division I Council makes it permanent at a later date.