Jeez, was the officiating this one-sided all night long?

Clearly Remigio was targeted by the UW player, and no call?

Then the blocking back takes down the Cal rusher from behind and no call?

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There were a few plays that I thought might at least get stopped for a targeting look, but that never happened. Weird game.

Go to the pac12 highlight reel of the game and you'll see. I got the shots off of there. About a third of the way thru you'll see the non call targeting on remigio. About 2/3 of the way thru, you'll see the tackling of the Cal rusher.

IF THAT'S THE CASE THE HEAD COACH NEeDS TO SEND TO THE PAC 12 OFFICE.

jy1988 said:

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Jeez, was the officiating this one-sided all night long?

Clearly Remigio was targeted by the UW player, and no call?

Then the blocking back takes down the Cal rusher from behind and no call?

Go to my FB page for pix

https://www.facebook.com/joseph.youst?__cft__[0]=AZWVYl_wtyBc6sYSDrW2jNhxQPqxF73l0ADzv6c47YZybX7UONOEUYQXn5aAf_p7D6M43PfuN2qXeyRe5Cy03qN1lA2OUVNCrqimxp_gtKcZaA&__tn__=-UC%2CP-R

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Losers whine about officiating. Winners deal with it.

Officiating had nothing to do with the outcome of the game. UW won because they made plays when they had to. Conversely, Cal did not.

71B,

Didn't blame the loss on officiating. Just asking if it was unfair or not. Moore doesn't fumble, maybe we win. Garbers doesn't throw crappy interceptions, same same. But you can still call out officiating when it stinks.

71Bear said:

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jy1988 said:

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Jeez, was the officiating this one-sided all night long?

Clearly Remigio was targeted by the UW player, and no call?

Then the blocking back takes down the Cal rusher from behind and no call?

Go to my FB page for pix

https://www.facebook.com/joseph.youst?__cft__[0]=AZWVYl_wtyBc6sYSDrW2jNhxQPqxF73l0ADzv6c47YZybX7UONOEUYQXn5aAf_p7D6M43PfuN2qXeyRe5Cy03qN1lA2OUVNCrqimxp_gtKcZaA&__tn__=-UC%2CP-R

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Losers whine about officiating. Winners deal with it.

Officiating had nothing to do with the outcome of the game. UW won because they made plays when they had to. Conversely, Cal did not.

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It was chronic and serious issues. About as bad as I have seen in a while. Sure, did we get beat on wide open plays in H1 too, sure, but we were all tied at the end of regulation.

And btw TCU held us like crazy 2 weeks ago. Difference makers in close games.

jy1988 said:

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71B,

Didn't blame the loss on officiating. Just asking if it was unfair or not. Moore doesn't fumble, maybe we win. Garbers doesn't throw crappy interceptions, same same. But you can still call out officiating when it stinks.

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The only egregious error on the part of the officials that I saw was not resetting the clock back when the INT was overturned and called an incomplete pass. The play ended at 6:09 in the 4th Q and on replay the incomplete pass was at 6:15. The clock should have been reset to 6:15.

Of course, the beauty of that mistake was the argument by Coach Lake that the officials screwed up and erroneously took time off the clock at the 0:29 mark. Lake was wrong (although he didn't think so).

Meanwhile, Cal subsequently made a first down. Had Cal been given six additional seconds at the end of regulation, maybe they could have moved closer and made the FG attempt.

Other than that, the game was well-officiated (IMO). And, no, it was definitely not unfair. That implies a concerted effort by the officials to tip the balance of the game. Officials may not be perfect but they certainly aren't trying to favor one team over another. They are honest guys trying to do their best……

upsetof86 said:

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71Bear said:

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jy1988 said:

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Jeez, was the officiating this one-sided all night long?

Clearly Remigio was targeted by the UW player, and no call?

Then the blocking back takes down the Cal rusher from behind and no call?

Go to my FB page for pix

https://www.facebook.com/joseph.youst?__cft__[0]=AZWVYl_wtyBc6sYSDrW2jNhxQPqxF73l0ADzv6c47YZybX7UONOEUYQXn5aAf_p7D6M43PfuN2qXeyRe5Cy03qN1lA2OUVNCrqimxp_gtKcZaA&__tn__=-UC%2CP-R

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Losers whine about officiating. Winners deal with it.

Officiating had nothing to do with the outcome of the game. UW won because they made plays when they had to. Conversely, Cal did not.

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It was chronic and serious issues. About as bad as I have seen in a while. Sure, did we get beat on wide open plays in H1 too, sure, but we were all tied at the end of regulation.

And btw TCU held us like crazy 2 weeks ago. Difference makers in close games.

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Just curious, do you know what constitutes holding?

71Bear said:

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upsetof86 said:

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71Bear said:

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jy1988 said:

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Jeez, was the officiating this one-sided all night long?

Clearly Remigio was targeted by the UW player, and no call?

Then the blocking back takes down the Cal rusher from behind and no call?

Go to my FB page for pix

https://www.facebook.com/joseph.youst?__cft__[0]=AZWVYl_wtyBc6sYSDrW2jNhxQPqxF73l0ADzv6c47YZybX7UONOEUYQXn5aAf_p7D6M43PfuN2qXeyRe5Cy03qN1lA2OUVNCrqimxp_gtKcZaA&__tn__=-UC%2CP-R

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Losers whine about officiating. Winners deal with it.

Officiating had nothing to do with the outcome of the game. UW won because they made plays when they had to. Conversely, Cal did not.

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It was chronic and serious issues. About as bad as I have seen in a while. Sure, did we get beat on wide open plays in H1 too, sure, but we were all tied at the end of regulation.

And btw TCU held us like crazy 2 weeks ago. Difference makers in close games.

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Just curious, do you know what constitutes holding?

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Yes, do you? Ya callin me ignorant?

upsetof86 said:

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71Bear said:

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upsetof86 said:

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71Bear said:

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jy1988 said:

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Jeez, was the officiating this one-sided all night long?

Clearly Remigio was targeted by the UW player, and no call?

Then the blocking back takes down the Cal rusher from behind and no call?

Go to my FB page for pix

https://www.facebook.com/joseph.youst?__cft__[0]=AZWVYl_wtyBc6sYSDrW2jNhxQPqxF73l0ADzv6c47YZybX7UONOEUYQXn5aAf_p7D6M43PfuN2qXeyRe5Cy03qN1lA2OUVNCrqimxp_gtKcZaA&__tn__=-UC%2CP-R

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Losers whine about officiating. Winners deal with it.

Officiating had nothing to do with the outcome of the game. UW won because they made plays when they had to. Conversely, Cal did not.

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It was chronic and serious issues. About as bad as I have seen in a while. Sure, did we get beat on wide open plays in H1 too, sure, but we were all tied at the end of regulation.

And btw TCU held us like crazy 2 weeks ago. Difference makers in close games.

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Just curious, do you know what constitutes holding?

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Yes, do you? Ya callin me ignorant?

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Of course not. However, there is a great deal of misunderstanding regarding the definition of holding. Heck, some people think grabbing a DLers jersey within his frame is holding. It isn't. Smart DLers wear their jerseys super tight so OLers can't get a good grip on them. Grabbing is problematic when it happens outside the defenders frame (most often, when they turn the DLer while engaged in this action) or, most obviously, when an OLers takes down a defender by pulling him.

Anyone see the encroachment by UW dude ran full head of steam from like 10 yards back then caused our guy to move they called false start. Later they called encroachment on us when Goode did that.

Just for the record, I thought McGrew was down on that last Washington TD but replays were "inconclusive". But actually you can split screen 2 angles at once, one that shows where the knee went down and the other that shows where the ball was. Cameron Goode was trying to point it out to the officials. Clearly his knee went down early in the run and he was probably at least 1/2 yard out.

There is an interesting phenomenon in fan's perception of officiating. Fans always notice the calls against their teams and, while they may be right on those calls, they rarely notice the bad calls that favor their team. I think in general the officiating in the pac-12 has consistently lagged behind the rest of the country in overall accuracy because pac-12 officials make a lot more phantom calls (calls on fouls that did not happen) than the rest of the country. I think this is particularly true of the PI call.

According to the pac-12 officials, any contact made by a DB is a PI regardless of if the pass was catchable or the contact was incidental or caused by the receiver. I am not holding my breath that the pac-12 officiating team will ever get properly trained on how to correctly interpret contact on the PI. I'm just glad that most of NCAA and NFL football officiating is not so ticky tack, because it sure ruins the game.

An argument can be made that recruits are leaving the pac-12 and going other places because the pac-12 is more likely to take away good play with phantom penalties than other conferences. In the SEC, for example, they generally let guys play on close calls. It may sound ridiculous, but never underestimate the lengths recruiters can go to pull in a recruit. And pac-12 officiating is certainly an argument against playing in the pac-12.

KoreAmBear said:

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Anyone see the encroachment by UW dude ran full head of steam from like 10 yards back then caused our guy to move they called false start. Later they called encroachment on us when Goode did that.

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The first call you cited was correct. Per the rules, if the defender runs up to the LOS but does not enter the neutral zone and the offensive player moves, it is a penalty on the O.

The second call, I don't remember; however, if Goode entered the neutral zone when he moved up to the LOS thus causing the offensive player to move, it is a penalty on the D.

heartofthebear said:

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Just for the record, I thought McGrew was down on that last Washington TD but replays were "inconclusive". But actually you can split screen 2 angles at once, one that shows where the knee went down and the other that shows where the ball was. Cameron Goode was trying to point it out to the officials. Clearly his knee went down early in the run and he was probably at least 1/2 yard out.

There is an interesting phenomenon in fan's perception of officiating. Fans always notice the calls against their teams and, while they may be right on those calls, they rarely notice the bad calls that favor their team. I think in general the officiating in the pac-12 has consistently lagged behind the rest of the country in overall accuracy because pac-12 officials make a lot more phantom calls (calls on fouls that did not happen) than the rest of the country. I think this is particularly true of the PI call.

According to the pac-12 officials, any contact made by a DB is a PI regardless of if the pass was catchable or the contact was incidental or caused by the receiver. I am not holding my breath that the pac-12 officiating team will ever get properly trained on how to correctly interpret contact on the PI. I'm just glad that most of NCAA and NFL football officiating is not so ticky tack, because it sure ruins the game.

An argument can be made that recruits are leaving the pac-12 and going other places because the pac-12 is more likely to take away good play with phantom penalties than other conferences. In the SEC, for example, they generally let guys play on close calls. It may sound ridiculous, but never underestimate the lengths recruiters can go to pull in a recruit. And pac-12 officiating is certainly an argument against playing in the pac-12.

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I would disagree with your assessment re: McGrew. I think the call should have stood because it wasn't conclusive enough to overturn. Had the call been short of the goal line, I am sure it also would have stood for the same reason.

71Bear said:

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KoreAmBear said:

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Anyone see the encroachment by UW dude ran full head of steam from like 10 yards back then caused our guy to move they called false start. Later they called encroachment on us when Goode did that.

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The first call you cited was correct. Per the rules, if the defender runs up to the LOS but does not enter the neutral zone and the offensive player moves, it is a penalty on the O.

The second call, I don't remember; however, if Goode entered the neutral zone when he moved up to the LOS thus causing the offensive player to move, it is a penalty on the D.

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They didn't replay the first play. I thought the defender crossed the neutral zone he was coming in so hot not sure how he could have stopped.

71Bear said:

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heartofthebear said:

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Just for the record, I thought McGrew was down on that last Washington TD but replays were "inconclusive". But actually you can split screen 2 angles at once, one that shows where the knee went down and the other that shows where the ball was. Cameron Goode was trying to point it out to the officials. Clearly his knee went down early in the run and he was probably at least 1/2 yard out.

There is an interesting phenomenon in fan's perception of officiating. Fans always notice the calls against their teams and, while they may be right on those calls, they rarely notice the bad calls that favor their team. I think in general the officiating in the pac-12 has consistently lagged behind the rest of the country in overall accuracy because pac-12 officials make a lot more phantom calls (calls on fouls that did not happen) than the rest of the country. I think this is particularly true of the PI call.

According to the pac-12 officials, any contact made by a DB is a PI regardless of if the pass was catchable or the contact was incidental or caused by the receiver. I am not holding my breath that the pac-12 officiating team will ever get properly trained on how to correctly interpret contact on the PI. I'm just glad that most of NCAA and NFL football officiating is not so ticky tack, because it sure ruins the game.

An argument can be made that recruits are leaving the pac-12 and going other places because the pac-12 is more likely to take away good play with phantom penalties than other conferences. In the SEC, for example, they generally let guys play on close calls. It may sound ridiculous, but never underestimate the lengths recruiters can go to pull in a recruit. And pac-12 officiating is certainly an argument against playing in the pac-12.

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I would disagree with your assessment re: McGrew. I think the call should have stood because it wasn't conclusive enough to overturn. Had the call been short of the goal line, I am sure it also would have stood for the same reason.

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Well yeah, if the media is what the officials see then they never saw a split screen/dual angle shot. So they would have to let the play stand. But I don't see why they can't accomplish that with today's technology. On the TV, they never showed a split screen, but I have seen that before on TV and it is very affective. I think you see it in baseball a lot more. The way you do it is you get a landmark that is visible in both angles and line them up. But maybe that is asking too much of the pac-12.

KoreAmBear said:

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71Bear said:

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KoreAmBear said:

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Anyone see the encroachment by UW dude ran full head of steam from like 10 yards back then caused our guy to move they called false start. Later they called encroachment on us when Goode did that.

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The first call you cited was correct. Per the rules, if the defender runs up to the LOS but does not enter the neutral zone and the offensive player moves, it is a penalty on the O.

The second call, I don't remember; however, if Goode entered the neutral zone when he moved up to the LOS thus causing the offensive player to move, it is a penalty on the D.

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They didn't replay the first play. I thought the defender crossed the neutral zone he was coming in so hot not sure how he could have stopped.

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In college, you see that once in a while where the defender is trying to draw a penalty on the OLer. It rarely works; however, in this instance he suckered the Cal player into moving before the snap.