The root cause of Cal football's misery: Cal fans are losers

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hanky1
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I have long wondered why Cal football has sucked for so long and after every losing season I can only come to one conclusion every time:

Cal fans are losers.

I feel bad for our players because they work hard and deserve more, but the loserism of Cal fans infects every aspect of our university and football program. Cal fans suck and this is what we deserve. Is there a bigger loser alumni base in all of college football? No. No there is not.

Self-aware people are cognizant of the fact that Cal fans are losers and they distance themselves. Like Butte alum Aaron Rodgers who refuses to acknowledge he went to Cal. Why would he want to be associated with you losers? I have no idea how a single fan base can have so many losers. It's like all the kids who got beat up in high school banded together and formed a loser society.

lol that's you.
AunBear89
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Are you looking in a mirror as you type this?
"There are three kinds of lies: lies, damned lies, and statistics." -- (maybe) Benjamin Disraeli, popularized by Mark Twain
flounder
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cool story bro
dimitrig
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Speak for yourself
Bobodeluxe
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Wait, what about Buh?
heartofthebear
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hanky1 said:

I have long wondered why Cal football has sucked for so long and after every losing season I can only come to one conclusion every time:

Cal fans are losers.

I feel bad for our players because they work hard and deserve more, but the loserism of Cal fans infects every aspect of our university and football program. Cal fans suck and this is what we deserve. Is there a bigger loser alumni base in all of college football? No. No there is not.

Self-aware people are cognizant of the fact that Cal fans are losers and they distance themselves. Like Butte alum Aaron Rodgers who refuses to acknowledge he went to Cal. Why would he want to be associated with you losers? I have no idea how a single fan base can have so many losers. It's like all the kids who got beat up in high school banded together and formed a loser society.

lol that's you.
You would know
BearsorCubs
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Wowwww! Somebody having a bad day. This is a statement you should've kept for yourself
Chapman_is_Gone
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Look, I am a loser, but correlation is not causation, buddy.
evanluck
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I do agree that the history of Cal Football has encouraged many fans to adopt attitudes that creates obstacles to the team being their best. Thoughts and beliefs produce your experience. It is dissonant to think you can have beliefs like "Cal always blows it," or use phrases like "TypiCal," and not have it affect your experience of Cal sports.

I remember coming to Cal as a freshman in the Fall of 1988 from a school that had a winning tradition in football. I was in the marching band in both schools and so I marched up to Memorial stadium and played and cheered for the team. I actually remember having a few older band members pull me aside and effectively tell me, "Calm down, Cal always sucks in football." They actually felt I needed to be indoctrinated into a mindset of losing and low expectations.

Fortunately for me, we had a couple good years while I was still in school (Bruce Snyder Copper and Citrus Bowl).

In the end the ones who are most focused on Cal football have the most influence so it is completely possible for the coaches and the players to transcend even decades of negative attitudes and beliefs of thousands of fans. But those beliefs make their job harder.
Bear8
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I've found that BI gets far more posts when the team loses versus when the team wins. It's cathartic for many of the losers in life to release their negative feelings onto the team. They feel so much better when they can pounce on a loss. There are far too many on this Board. A win simply doesn't fix those morose feelings.
okaydo
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Cal fans are a bunch of hanky1's.
Bobodeluxe
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Big C
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We are, by definition, losers. But as women often tell me, loveable losers.
smh
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okaydo said:

Cal fans are a bunch of hanky1's.
take it back, okaydo, right now!
calumnus
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evanluck said:

I do agree that the history of Cal Football has encouraged many fans to adopt attitudes that creates obstacles to the team being their best. Thoughts and beliefs produce your experience. It is dissonant to think you can have beliefs like "Cal always blows it," or use phrases like "TypiCal," and not have it affect your experience of Cal sports.

I remember coming to Cal as a freshman in the Fall of 1988 from a school that had a winning tradition in football. I was in the marching band in both schools and so I marched up to Memorial stadium and played and cheered for the team. I actually remember have a few older band members pull me aside and effectively tell me, "Calm down, Cal always sucks in football." They actually felt I needed to be indoctrinated into a mindset of losing and low expectations.

Fortunately for me, we had a couple good years while I was still in school (Bruce Snyder Copper and Citrus Bowl).

In the end the ones who are most focused on Cal football have the most influence so it is completely possible for the coaches and the players to transcend even decades of negative attitudes and beliefs of thousands of fans. But those beliefs make their job harder.



I believe there is some merit to this, psychologically and metaphysically. There are also solid material reasons.
FloriDreaming
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You're right. Self-awareness is important…
hanky1
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I've noticed the past week that many of you are finally wising up to this reality. You're finally acknowledging what hanky1 has known for decades.

It's not the Cal coaches, players, or program. The root cause of our losing is you....the losers that make up Cal.
AunBear89
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hanky1 said:

I've noticed the past week that many of you are finally wising up to this reality. You're finally acknowledging what hanky1 has known for decades.

It's not the Cal coaches, players, or program. The root cause of our losing is you....the losers that make up Cal.

janky1 as he types this post
"There are three kinds of lies: lies, damned lies, and statistics." -- (maybe) Benjamin Disraeli, popularized by Mark Twain
72CalBear
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Why did I waste my time reading this??
Bobodeluxe
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72CalBear said:

Why did I waste my time reading this??
You might be a loser?
hanky1
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Until we start winning a few games all of you are Cal State Berkeley alums in my book.
CCatterton
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Could not disagree w/ hanky1 more.......
Simple reason Cal is bad at Football / basketball is........Commitment.
It's simply not important to Cal Administration. The last time the administration cared about major collegiate sports was a very long time ago. So - if you want to blame the fans....Don't. Few fans/ if any, want to show up and lose 90% of the time. You at least need to be competitive....and Cal has not been for a very long time.
Marketing 101 - Consistent losing over years & years, you gradually lose your fan base.
Not good for the Cal brand.
If your NOT committed and your goal is to be mediocre, you rarely, if ever succeed.
(Winning percentage of 25-30% is not mediocre)
As a result - you have a poor football/basketball record that won't change anytime soon.
The university does not pay asst coaches well, has constant asst. coach turnover, and always goes the cheap route. Their goal - go as cheap as possible, field a mediocre team, and get by.
This is not the DNA of winning programs.
Both the recruits and their fans can sense the lack of administration commitment - are weary of the never-ending losing record, all the asst. coaching turnover, and choose other universities that field more competitive teams. The result: Is what you see on the field.
Cal administration needs to make a decision.
Either commit to building a championship program- GO ALL IN......or... Get Out.....go D2 route.
Play Sac State - UC Davis - Cal Poly - Have 3000 fans per game and call it a day.
The decision in theirs.


oskiswifeshusband
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As my kid says: small dick energy
Big C
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CCatterton said:

Could not disagree w/ hanky1 more.......
Simple reason Cal is bad at Football / basketball is........Commitment.
It's simply not important to Cal Administration. The last time the administration cared about major collegiate sports was a very long time ago. So - if you want to blame the fans....Don't. Few fans/ if any, want to show up and lose 90% of the time. You at least need to be competitive....and Cal has not been for a very long time.
Marketing 101 - Consistent losing over years & years, you gradually lose your fan base.
Not good for the Cal brand.
If your NOT committed and your goal is to be mediocre, you rarely, if ever succeed.
(Winning percentage of 25-30% is not mediocre)
As a result - you have a poor football/basketball record that won't change anytime soon.
The university does not pay asst coaches well, has constant asst. coach turnover, and always goes the cheap route. Their goal - go as cheap as possible, field a mediocre team, and get by.
This is not the DNA of winning programs.
Both the recruits and their fans can sense the lack of administration commitment - are weary of the never-ending losing record, all the asst. coaching turnover, and choose other universities that field more competitive teams. The result: Is what you see on the field.
Cal administration needs to make a decision.
Either commit to building a championship program- GO ALL IN......or... Get Out.....go D2 route.
Play Sac State - UC Davis - Cal Poly - Have 3000 fans per game and call it a day.
The decision in theirs.




Nice "first post", digging up a funny hanky thread from two years ago and making serious statements related to it.

Bear Insider is quite the place.
calumnus
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CCatterton said:

Could not disagree w/ hanky1 more.......
Simple reason Cal is bad at Football / basketball is........Commitment.
It's simply not important to Cal Administration. The last time the administration cared about major collegiate sports was a very long time ago. So - if you want to blame the fans....Don't. Few fans/ if any, want to show up and lose 90% of the time. You at least need to be competitive....and Cal has not been for a very long time.
Marketing 101 - Consistent losing over years & years, you gradually lose your fan base.
Not good for the Cal brand.
If your NOT committed and your goal is to be mediocre, you rarely, if ever succeed.
(Winning percentage of 25-30% is not mediocre)
As a result - you have a poor football/basketball record that won't change anytime soon.
The university does not pay asst coaches well, has constant asst. coach turnover, and always goes the cheap route. Their goal - go as cheap as possible, field a mediocre team, and get by.
This is not the DNA of winning programs.
Both the recruits and their fans can sense the lack of administration commitment - are weary of the never-ending losing record, all the asst. coaching turnover, and choose other universities that field more competitive teams. The result: Is what you see on the field.
Cal administration needs to make a decision.
Either commit to building a championship program- GO ALL IN......or... Get Out.....go D2 route.
Play Sac State - UC Davis - Cal Poly - Have 3000 fans per game and call it a day.
The decision in theirs.





Wilcox is the 40th highest paid head coach in the country at $4.4 million per year. His $20.7 million buyout ranks #26 in the country!
https://sports.usatoday.com/ncaa/salaries/football/coach

Wilcox is paid more than DeBoer at UW, Tedford makes 1/3rd his salary at FSU.

We spent $500 million on the CMS renovation. Who has spent more?

Our problem is not that we are cheap. We overpay. We throw away money. Our problem is we are run by idiots, at least in regard to the revenue sports.

Our problem is that our chancellor is chosen for academics; we are run by a Victorian Literature professor who previously ran Smith College and she hired a buffoon whose brief AD experience was at Federally funded military academies. He throws $millions and $millions away locking in mediocrity at best with huge salaries and buyouts.

Cheap and smart would be far better.
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