Bear8 said:

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GivemTheAxe said:

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72CalBear said:

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Nope. He's not going. Much of this mess is institutional and of course there is no support from Berkeley for sports in general, but he's not leaving as a "loser." Remember when we suggested he was going to get plucked by a better program? Funny.

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What I find "funny" is how fickle so many posters on this his board are.

In 2019 so many of the posters who want Wilcox gone were on the Wilcox bandwagon wringing their hands that some team was going to lure Wilcox away. To many (most) fans Cal finally was on the way to better days. (Except for those fans who expected JW to spin draw into gold overnight.)

Last year was a horror all it's own.

This year began terribly. But at the beginning of the season I said that JW's Defense would take a while to get going. It did and Deng's loss in the first game only made things worse.
Secondly as I and several others predicted Musgrave was responsible for the early season losses since he did not know how to take advantage of CG's ability to scramble and wanted to keep CG bottled up in the pocket.
Third Musgrave failed to understand how to make best use of the TE's.

But except for the WSU game, all the losses were close losses. Cal was not getting blown out. With one or two more good plays or one or two fewer mistakes, Cal would have won every one of those games.

eventually during the Bye week JW appears to have righted the ship and Cal came within 2 yards of beating the #9 team in the nation (now the #3 Team in the nation). We appeared to be on the right track until the chaos created when Covid reared its ugly head.

So now once again Cal's fickle fans want to clean house. They blame the Administration, the AD, JW and the Cal fans themselves. But if things are really as bad as those posters contend, what self respecting coach would want to come to Cal. And if any decent coach should accept the job, we would be required to endure another 2-3 rebuilding years.

Personally I think that those fans are selling Wilcox short. I think he a better coach than he is being given credit. At a minimum I would would give JW another year to see if he performs as the JW of 2019 or the JW of 2021.

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Ax, well expressed. Wilcox leaving will be the worst possible result for the Program. He has established a solid defense in each year he has been here. The offense was on its way up until we lost three of our top recruits to a dismal start. I attribute that start to Musgrave and if anyone needs replacing it is him.

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Totally agree on the above and I did a complete flip on Wilcox post my early season frustration. Now I. Hoping we can hang on to a guy I thought would be on a hot seat at 3-6.

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Big C said:

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calbear93 said:

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HuaHin (fka Uthai) said:

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diva1 said:

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Wilcox will leave and be a success Cal will hire someone else and be mediocre
The problem at Cal is institutional and will never change
If Wilcox goes to UW they will rise again

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No they won't. UW doesn't fare any better than Cal when they have bad coaches.
See Gilbertson, Willingham, and Lake. Even Sark didn't do very well there. Sure, Petersen did well, but he's one of the best coaches around.

People look at Dykes at SMU and say "See? The problem is Cal." Yes, the problem for Dykes was Cal. It was a terrible fit for both sides. That doesn't mean "Cal is a problem for every coach," it means Cal needs to do a MUCH better job at finding a good coach who is a good fit. (Just like everyone else who hires people, this is Human Resources 101.)

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I'm seriously questioning whether anyone at this point is a good fit for Cal. Every hire we've made in the last 50 years has either been terrible or in the three cases where they were okay, one was forced out, one left for a better job, and one flamed out hard. And the best of those still couldn't get us to a Rose Bowl.

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If Cal wants to take a fired UW coach, the only one I'd feel remotely okay about would be Neuheisel. And that's because he was actually a good coach at UW.

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You mean the guy who flamed out with superior talent and location at UCLA? How would that work for us in any way?

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Snyder and Tedford were not just OK.

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Or Mike White, those were great years. How many people got suckered into being life-long Cal fans just because of those 1974 and 1975 teams?

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Lots, I bet. Me for sure, so that's at least one.

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1975 -- (co) Pac Champions. Beat then #4 'SC, adn demolished then #13 Stanford in the Big Game.

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For better or for worse, I started attending Cal games in 1974. My favorite game remains the 1975 SC game. My favorite Big Game (and easily the best performance by either team in the Big Game) was the 1975 Big Game. From a neutral perspective, the best Big Game I ever saw was 1974, even if it ended in heartbreak for the Bears.

And now, I learn that this was all just a sucker job to hook me into being a life-long fan? Damn.

People forget that Gilby was 28-9 as Idaho HC before going to UW

Bear8 said:

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GivemTheAxe said:

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72CalBear said:

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Nope. He's not going. Much of this mess is institutional and of course there is no support from Berkeley for sports in general, but he's not leaving as a "loser." Remember when we suggested he was going to get plucked by a better program? Funny.

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What I find "funny" is how fickle so many posters on this his board are.

In 2019 so many of the posters who want Wilcox gone were on the Wilcox bandwagon wringing their hands that some team was going to lure Wilcox away. To many (most) fans Cal finally was on the way to better days. (Except for those fans who expected JW to spin draw into gold overnight.)

Last year was a horror all it's own.

This year began terribly. But at the beginning of the season I said that JW's Defense would take a while to get going. It did and Deng's loss in the first game only made things worse.
Secondly as I and several others predicted Musgrave was responsible for the early season losses since he did not know how to take advantage of CG's ability to scramble and wanted to keep CG bottled up in the pocket.
Third Musgrave failed to understand how to make best use of the TE's.

But except for the WSU game, all the losses were close losses. Cal was not getting blown out. With one or two more good plays or one or two fewer mistakes, Cal would have won every one of those games.

eventually during the Bye week JW appears to have righted the ship and Cal came within 2 yards of beating the #9 team in the nation (now the #3 Team in the nation). We appeared to be on the right track until the chaos created when Covid reared its ugly head.

So now once again Cal's fickle fans want to clean house. They blame the Administration, the AD, JW and the Cal fans themselves. But if things are really as bad as those posters contend, what self respecting coach would want to come to Cal. And if any decent coach should accept the job, we would be required to endure another 2-3 rebuilding years.

Personally I think that those fans are selling Wilcox short. I think he a better coach than he is being given credit. At a minimum I would would give JW another year to see if he performs as the JW of 2019 or the JW of 2021.

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Ax, well expressed. Wilcox leaving will be the worst possible result for the Program. He has established a solid defense in each year he has been here. The offense was on its way up until we lost three of our top recruits to a dismal start. I attribute that start to Musgrave and if anyone needs replacing it is him.

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Who hired Musgrave?

Dream scenario:

UW hires Wilcox and Cal hires Chris Petersen. Tedford comes back in an analyst capacity.

Cal Strong! said:

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Dream scenario:

UW hires Wilcox and Cal hires Chris Petersen. Tedford comes back in an analyst capacity.

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Dream scenario:

Saban leaves Alabama to coach at Cal after Musk donates 10,000,000 shares of Tesla to the AD on the condition that Cal fires Knowlton and promises to hire a real AD…..

fat_slice said:

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Bear8 said:

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GivemTheAxe said:

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72CalBear said:

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Nope. He's not going. Much of this mess is institutional and of course there is no support from Berkeley for sports in general, but he's not leaving as a "loser." Remember when we suggested he was going to get plucked by a better program? Funny.

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What I find "funny" is how fickle so many posters on this his board are.

In 2019 so many of the posters who want Wilcox gone were on the Wilcox bandwagon wringing their hands that some team was going to lure Wilcox away. To many (most) fans Cal finally was on the way to better days. (Except for those fans who expected JW to spin draw into gold overnight.)

Last year was a horror all it's own.

This year began terribly. But at the beginning of the season I said that JW's Defense would take a while to get going. It did and Deng's loss in the first game only made things worse.
Secondly as I and several others predicted Musgrave was responsible for the early season losses since he did not know how to take advantage of CG's ability to scramble and wanted to keep CG bottled up in the pocket.
Third Musgrave failed to understand how to make best use of the TE's.

But except for the WSU game, all the losses were close losses. Cal was not getting blown out. With one or two more good plays or one or two fewer mistakes, Cal would have won every one of those games.

eventually during the Bye week JW appears to have righted the ship and Cal came within 2 yards of beating the #9 team in the nation (now the #3 Team in the nation). We appeared to be on the right track until the chaos created when Covid reared its ugly head.

So now once again Cal's fickle fans want to clean house. They blame the Administration, the AD, JW and the Cal fans themselves. But if things are really as bad as those posters contend, what self respecting coach would want to come to Cal. And if any decent coach should accept the job, we would be required to endure another 2-3 rebuilding years.

Personally I think that those fans are selling Wilcox short. I think he a better coach than he is being given credit. At a minimum I would would give JW another year to see if he performs as the JW of 2019 or the JW of 2021.

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Ax, well expressed. Wilcox leaving will be the worst possible result for the Program. He has established a solid defense in each year he has been here. The offense was on its way up until we lost three of our top recruits to a dismal start. I attribute that start to Musgrave and if anyone needs replacing it is him.

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Totally agree on the above and I did a complete flip on Wilcox post my early season frustration. Now I. Hoping we can hang on to a guy I thought would be on a hot seat at 3-6.

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Wilcox has a poor record, he was not ready to be a HC. His OC hiring and management of the offense has been horrible, on offense we have been the worst P5 team, worst in the PAC-12 and one of the worst in the country over his 5 year term, with this year the best so far, such as it is. But that is all sunk cost. He now has 5 years of HC experience. The question of hire/fire, unless there is some unforgivable offense, should be prospective. If we win a few of our remaining games I think people will feel "OK."

Wilcox will almost certainly get year 6, unless someone buys him out. I'm OK with either. Year 6 may mean a new QB, so a lot is unknown. Things could look promising or dismal. His fate would be sealed.

71Bear said:

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Cal Strong! said:

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Dream scenario:

UW hires Wilcox and Cal hires Chris Petersen. Tedford comes back in an analyst capacity.

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Dream scenario:

Saban leaves Alabama to coach at Cal after Musk donates 10,000,000 shares of Tesla to the AD on the condition that Cal fires Knowlton and promises to hire a real AD…..

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Dream scenario:

Cal dominates in the metaverse due to our leadership in the computer science/AI field. The metaverse will be the only 'reality' that matters in the near future.