This is why as Cal fans, we can never have nice things :-(oski003 said:
I know this is basketball, but I can't believe how obvious it now is that it is pay to play. Pay me more or I transfer.
https://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/33823826/nil-agent-says-miami-hoops-star-isaiah-wong-enter-transfer-portal-nil-compensation-increased
The core issue will be how they limit NIL without running afoul of anti-trust law. Better jurists than I will be able to parse whether the court's rulings left an opportunity to thread that needle82gradDLSdad said:
How long will it take until we get a back to the future moment where some colleges form their own amateur athletic league?
"As you sow, so shall you reap" -- Wong made the transfer threat because Miami's new Daddy Warbucks just gave an $800,000 NIL deal to a player transferring from K-State to Miami. If Wong is better than that guy, he is entirely justified in wanting a deal at least as big. Good for him.HoopDreams said:
the article title says all you need to know
NIL agent says Miami hoops star Isaiah Wong will enter transfer portal if NIL compensation isn't increased
Agree. The conferences need to get together and form an alliance. The NCAA is toothless and will do nothing. If the conferences do not move and quickly state legislations will create another layer of rules/laws that will only complicate an already complicated issue even further.BearBoarBlarney said:
I really think the "split" is coming. Not sure if the split will be a sort of "Development" league structure with a minor league team affiliated with the university or just the formation of some version of the "Superconference," where the top-50 or so true blue bloods will battle it out, and the remaining 80 or so other FBS teams will fragment off to form their own version of intercollegiate competition.
Several years ago, Stanford's AD Bernard Muir talked about a pay-for-play future in college sports, and the general sentiment was that Stanford would not be willing to participate in a true minor league approach. I think Cal might share that sentiment, as our faculty is still not the most athletic department friendly group. I do wonder though what it would mean for more academically-minded schools in more athletically-minded regions, for example, schools like Virginia, Vanderbilt, Duke, and even true football schools like Michigan and Notre Dame where the academic side carries weight.
I think a sea change is coming, and it's coming faster than most people thought it would.
Missed this. What did the idiots in Sacramento do now?6956bear said:Agree. The conferences need to get together and form an alliance. The NCAA is toothless and will do nothing. If the conferences do not move and quickly state legislations will create another layer of rules/laws that will only complicate an already complicated issue even further.BearBoarBlarney said:
I really think the "split" is coming. Not sure if the split will be a sort of "Development" league structure with a minor league team affiliated with the university or just the formation of some version of the "Superconference," where the top-50 or so true blue bloods will battle it out, and the remaining 80 or so other FBS teams will fragment off to form their own version of intercollegiate competition.
Several years ago, Stanford's AD Bernard Muir talked about a pay-for-play future in college sports, and the general sentiment was that Stanford would not be willing to participate in a true minor league approach. I think Cal might share that sentiment, as our faculty is still not the most athletic department friendly group. I do wonder though what it would mean for more academically-minded schools in more athletically-minded regions, for example, schools like Virginia, Vanderbilt, Duke, and even true football schools like Michigan and Notre Dame where the academic side carries weight.
I think a sea change is coming, and it's coming faster than most people thought it would.
California has a bill that just passed conference which will destroy the athletic departments at California Univerisities. Not sure how the privates will be treated but change is happening fast and nobody within the NCAA community is doing anything to slow down this runaway train.
No argument here, but how will they survive if football isn't around to pay the bills?HoopDreams said:
I'm loving Cal softball, VB, and track & field more and more ...
The NCAA *is* an alliance of conferences.6956bear said:
Agree. The conferences need to get together and form an alliance.
Small nit: the NCAA can do nothing. It has no legal authority. Players could institute some sort to legal $ cap if they unionize.6956bear said:Agree. The conferences need to get together and form an alliance. The NCAA is toothless and will do nothing. If the conferences do not move and quickly state legislations will create another layer of rules/laws that will only complicate an already complicated issue even further.BearBoarBlarney said:
I really think the "split" is coming. Not sure if the split will be a sort of "Development" league structure with a minor league team affiliated with the university or just the formation of some version of the "Superconference," where the top-50 or so true blue bloods will battle it out, and the remaining 80 or so other FBS teams will fragment off to form their own version of intercollegiate competition.
Several years ago, Stanford's AD Bernard Muir talked about a pay-for-play future in college sports, and the general sentiment was that Stanford would not be willing to participate in a true minor league approach. I think Cal might share that sentiment, as our faculty is still not the most athletic department friendly group. I do wonder though what it would mean for more academically-minded schools in more athletically-minded regions, for example, schools like Virginia, Vanderbilt, Duke, and even true football schools like Michigan and Notre Dame where the academic side carries weight.
I think a sea change is coming, and it's coming faster than most people thought it would.
California has a bill that just passed conference which will destroy the athletic departments at California Univerisities. Not sure how the privates will be treated but change is happening fast and nobody within the NCAA community is doing anything to slow down this runaway train.
And this speed should not be surprising. It is just common sense.BearBoarBlarney said:
I really think the "split" is coming. Not sure if the split will be a sort of "Development" league structure with a minor league team affiliated with the university or just the formation of some version of the "Superconference," where the top-50 or so true blue bloods will battle it out, and the remaining 80 or so other FBS teams will fragment off to form their own version of intercollegiate competition.
Several years ago, Stanford's AD Bernard Muir talked about a pay-for-play future in college sports, and the general sentiment was that Stanford would not be willing to participate in a true minor league approach. I think Cal might share that sentiment, as our faculty is still not the most athletic department friendly group. I do wonder though what it would mean for more academically-minded schools in more athletically-minded regions, for example, schools like Virginia, Vanderbilt, Duke, and even true football schools like Michigan and Notre Dame where the academic side carries weight.
I think a sea change is coming, and it's coming faster than most people thought it would.
— Isaiah wong (@zaywong21) April 30, 2022
this could go several waysHearstMining said:No argument here, but how will they survive if football isn't around to pay the bills?HoopDreams said:
I'm loving Cal softball, VB, and track & field more and more ...
Big Dog said:Small nit: the NCAA can do nothing. It has no legal authority. Players could institute some sort to legal $ cap if they unionize.6956bear said:Agree. The conferences need to get together and form an alliance. The NCAA is toothless and will do nothing. If the conferences do not move and quickly state legislations will create another layer of rules/laws that will only complicate an already complicated issue even further.BearBoarBlarney said:
I really think the "split" is coming. Not sure if the split will be a sort of "Development" league structure with a minor league team affiliated with the university or just the formation of some version of the "Superconference," where the top-50 or so true blue bloods will battle it out, and the remaining 80 or so other FBS teams will fragment off to form their own version of intercollegiate competition.
Several years ago, Stanford's AD Bernard Muir talked about a pay-for-play future in college sports, and the general sentiment was that Stanford would not be willing to participate in a true minor league approach. I think Cal might share that sentiment, as our faculty is still not the most athletic department friendly group. I do wonder though what it would mean for more academically-minded schools in more athletically-minded regions, for example, schools like Virginia, Vanderbilt, Duke, and even true football schools like Michigan and Notre Dame where the academic side carries weight.
I think a sea change is coming, and it's coming faster than most people thought it would.
California has a bill that just passed conference which will destroy the athletic departments at California Univerisities. Not sure how the privates will be treated but change is happening fast and nobody within the NCAA community is doing anything to slow down this runaway train.
In other words, "I couldn't get a better offer elsewhere."okaydo said:— Isaiah wong (@zaywong21) April 30, 2022
calumnus said:Big Dog said:Small nit: the NCAA can do nothing. It has no legal authority. Players could institute some sort to legal $ cap if they unionize.6956bear said:Agree. The conferences need to get together and form an alliance. The NCAA is toothless and will do nothing. If the conferences do not move and quickly state legislations will create another layer of rules/laws that will only complicate an already complicated issue even further.BearBoarBlarney said:
I really think the "split" is coming. Not sure if the split will be a sort of "Development" league structure with a minor league team affiliated with the university or just the formation of some version of the "Superconference," where the top-50 or so true blue bloods will battle it out, and the remaining 80 or so other FBS teams will fragment off to form their own version of intercollegiate competition.
Several years ago, Stanford's AD Bernard Muir talked about a pay-for-play future in college sports, and the general sentiment was that Stanford would not be willing to participate in a true minor league approach. I think Cal might share that sentiment, as our faculty is still not the most athletic department friendly group. I do wonder though what it would mean for more academically-minded schools in more athletically-minded regions, for example, schools like Virginia, Vanderbilt, Duke, and even true football schools like Michigan and Notre Dame where the academic side carries weight.
I think a sea change is coming, and it's coming faster than most people thought it would.
California has a bill that just passed conference which will destroy the athletic departments at California Univerisities. Not sure how the privates will be treated but change is happening fast and nobody within the NCAA community is doing anything to slow down this runaway train.
The players will not unionize to cap $. Maybe to guarantee a minimum payment.
As you said, the leagues have no power to restrict payments. Neither do universities.
One possible solution at the NCAA level is to reorganize the divisions and leagues and have teams move up or down (relegation) based on performance.
Basically every region of the country would have 3 or more leagues, with a team's placement based on performance. Rivalry games would be maintained or rivals could move up or down together.
HoopDreams said:
How does Euro leagues work?
Isn't it something like this?
(Different pro levels… but teams can move up or down depending on sustained performance)?calumnus said:Big Dog said:Small nit: the NCAA can do nothing. It has no legal authority. Players could institute some sort to legal $ cap if they unionize.6956bear said:Agree. The conferences need to get together and form an alliance. The NCAA is toothless and will do nothing. If the conferences do not move and quickly state legislations will create another layer of rules/laws that will only complicate an already complicated issue even further.BearBoarBlarney said:
I really think the "split" is coming. Not sure if the split will be a sort of "Development" league structure with a minor league team affiliated with the university or just the formation of some version of the "Superconference," where the top-50 or so true blue bloods will battle it out, and the remaining 80 or so other FBS teams will fragment off to form their own version of intercollegiate competition.
Several years ago, Stanford's AD Bernard Muir talked about a pay-for-play future in college sports, and the general sentiment was that Stanford would not be willing to participate in a true minor league approach. I think Cal might share that sentiment, as our faculty is still not the most athletic department friendly group. I do wonder though what it would mean for more academically-minded schools in more athletically-minded regions, for example, schools like Virginia, Vanderbilt, Duke, and even true football schools like Michigan and Notre Dame where the academic side carries weight.
I think a sea change is coming, and it's coming faster than most people thought it would.
California has a bill that just passed conference which will destroy the athletic departments at California Univerisities. Not sure how the privates will be treated but change is happening fast and nobody within the NCAA community is doing anything to slow down this runaway train.
The players will not unionize to cap $. Maybe to guarantee a minimum payment.
As you said, the leagues have no power to restrict payments. Neither do universities.
One possible solution at the NCAA level is to reorganize the divisions and leagues and have teams move up or down (relegation) based on performance.
Basically every region of the country would have 3 or more leagues, with a team's placement based on performance. Rivalry games would be maintained or rivals could move up or down together.
https://bleacherreport.com/articles/1680579-cals-stadium-renovation-debt-shows-schools-need-to-keep-football-in-perspectiveQuote:
Stadium debt already absorbs 20 percent of intercollegiate athletics' annual income, or roughly $18 million of its $89 million budget. And that pays only the interest.
Cal won't start paying down the principal until 2032, when its yearly payments rise to $26 million, then $37 million, before tapering off in 2051. After a brief respite, Cal will owe a lump sum of $82 million in 2053 alone. Then it will have six decades to pay off the final 17 percent, or $75 million.
I think Cal and probably even the UC system would have to pay this debt offUnit2Sucks said:
Anyone else wondering what happens to Cal when we can't afford to make payments on CMS debt because our football program is no longer a draw? Seems like a looming catastrophe for all sports at Calhttps://bleacherreport.com/articles/1680579-cals-stadium-renovation-debt-shows-schools-need-to-keep-football-in-perspectiveQuote:
Stadium debt already absorbs 20 percent of intercollegiate athletics' annual income, or roughly $18 million of its $89 million budget. And that pays only the interest.
Cal won't start paying down the principal until 2032, when its yearly payments rise to $26 million, then $37 million, before tapering off in 2051. After a brief respite, Cal will owe a lump sum of $82 million in 2053 alone. Then it will have six decades to pay off the final 17 percent, or $75 million.
BearSD said:
Can't practically do that in college sports because each school has 30-plus sports. No one wants to have to keep track of different divisions for their sports.
Even if it was just football -- the big boys of the sport don't want it, even though they are in no danger of "relegation". Ohio State, for example, doesn't want to have Illinois or Indiana replaced in the Big Ten by Northern Illinois or Ball State. The Big Ten schools have brand equity in the conference, and a revolving door of membership would damage the value. Same would be true for any other top conference.
This is the way it's been for over 50 years, except for the best Snyder and Tedford years. Hard to see that changing anytime soon.calumnus said:
We go back to losing a lot of games and viewing Big Game as the season.
Golden One said:This is the way it's been for over 50 years, except for the best Snyder and Tedford years. Hard to see that changing anytime soon.calumnus said:
We go back to losing a lot of games and viewing Big Game as the season.
This is free agency just like we've seen in other sports. Now that pandora's box is open, there is nothing stopping it, I suppose except possibly the supreme court.oski003 said:
Current bid is at 3 million dollars. He must be good.
https://pittsburghsportsnow.com/2022/04/29/wr-jordan-addison-expected-to-leave-pitt-for-usc-greater-nil-opportunities/
Mike White and Joe Roth would like a word...!Golden One said:This is the way it's been for over 50 years, except for the best Snyder and Tedford years. Hard to see that changing anytime soon.calumnus said:
We go back to losing a lot of games and viewing Big Game as the season.
oski003 said:
Current bid is at 3 million dollars. He must be good.
https://pittsburghsportsnow.com/2022/04/29/wr-jordan-addison-expected-to-leave-pitt-for-usc-greater-nil-opportunities/
