Quick question - if someone resigns as coach the buyout doesn't apply - correct? Maybe there would be a negotiated, mutual separation but at least not a full buyout. Did Gilbert do that when he left? I thought he resigned but Wiki said we fired him. Has any coach in the last 50 years walked away from the job? Maybe Snyder but his contract was expired right?

Resign - walking away from the contract.

Todd Graham - Hawaii

Urban Meyer - Florida

Josh Conklin - Wofford. (Oct 2022)

Kyle Nystrom - Northern Michigan. (Nov 2022)

MilleniaBear said:

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Quick question - if someone resigns as coach the buyout doesn't apply - correct? Maybe there would be a negotiated, mutual separation but at least not a full buyout. Did Gilbert do that when he left? I thought he resigned but Wiki said we fired him. Has any coach in the last 50 years walked away from the job? Maybe Snyder but his contract was expired right?

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Snyder was hired away from Cal by ASU.

The closest was Holmoe. He said that if we did not have a winning record on 2001 he would resign. And he did. Then retracted. His lawyer got involved and we ended up paying his buyout as per the contract.

calumnus said:

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MilleniaBear said:

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Quick question - if someone resigns as coach the buyout doesn't apply - correct? Maybe there would be a negotiated, mutual separation but at least not a full buyout. Did Gilbert do that when he left? I thought he resigned but Wiki said we fired him. Has any coach in the last 50 years walked away from the job? Maybe Snyder but his contract was expired right?

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Snyder was hired away from Cal by ASU.

The closest was Holmoe. He said that if we did not have a winning record on 2001 he would resign. And he did. Then retracted. His lawyer got involved and we ended up paying his buyout as per the contract.

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Snyder's contract was up for renewal I believe.

Mooch left (for greener pastures) while in the middle of his contract. There's no way he had a 1 year contract.

The only guy I know who wasn't pushed and walked away willingly was Gary Anderson. He walked away from his HC job at Wisconsin after a huge fight with the Dean of Admissions and paid a $3 million buyout for leaving his contract early. He later was the HC at Oregon State and the at Utah State for a second time. He has not worked in college football since 2020. Anderson is well liked in the coaching profession and by fans, but doesn't seem to get along well with administrate types. A NFL job where he is separated from management by a HC seems in order.

Gary Anderson - Ore St.?

bluehenbear said:

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Gary Anderson - Ore St.?

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Yup.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gary_Andersen

MilleniaBear said:

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Quick question - if someone resigns as coach the buyout doesn't apply - correct? Maybe there would be a negotiated, mutual separation but at least not a full buyout. Did Gilbert do that when he left? I thought he resigned but Wiki said we fired him. Has any coach in the last 50 years walked away from the job? Maybe Snyder but his contract was expired right?

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Would never happen. Anytime a coach leaves they get a buyout. Of course it depends why and that can affect the buyout, but resignation is usually a way to allow coach to save face from being fired.

Let's be clear: Wilcox very, very much wants to win and this is killing him (not literally, but you can see at his post-game pressers how this is affecting him... not healthy). If he is unable to right the ship in the next year or two, I could picture him accepting some sort of buyout. Everything is negotiable.

Nobody resigns from a term contract unless they have a psychotic sense of honor (e.g. "I suck. It is immoral to take your money. I quit.").

People under term contracts are either fired for a specified reason under the contract justifying termination and payments cease;

They are fired without a specified reason under the contract and then paid off;

or they are fired without a contractual cause, it is labeled a resignation for face saving purposes, and then they are paid off.

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Let's be clear: Wilcox very, very much wants to win and this is killing him (not literally, but you can see at his post-game pressers how this is affecting him... not healthy). If he is unable to right the ship in the next year or two, I could picture him accepting some sort of buyout. Everything is negotiable.

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For someone who is risking his health due to losing, he is way to patient with it.
Call it patience or a process of change, but there was not reason to wait an additional month to fire Musgrave and McClure. Did he really need Greatwood to convince him to do that?

Either he is suicidal, doesn't trust himself or he really doesn't care about losing.
Which is it?

heartofthebear said:

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Big C said:

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Let's be clear: Wilcox very, very much wants to win and this is killing him (not literally, but you can see at his post-game pressers how this is affecting him... not healthy). If he is unable to right the ship in the next year or two, I could picture him accepting some sort of buyout. Everything is negotiable.

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For someone who is risking his health due to losing, he is way to patient with it.
Call it patience or a process of change, but there was not reason to wait an additional month to fire Musgrave and McClure. Did he really need Greatwood to convince him to do that?

Either he is suicidal, doesn't trust himself or he really doesn't care about losing.
Which is it?

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If those are the only choices, then the second one. I see Wilcox as a guy seeking respect from his brethren,

Big C said:

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Let's be clear: Wilcox very, very much wants to win and this is killing him (not literally, but you can see at his post-game pressers how this is affecting him... not healthy). If he is unable to right the ship in the next year or two, I could picture him accepting some sort of buyout. Everything is negotiable.

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Looks like JT, the second, the way he handles stress.

Wilcox should be stressed. His record is terrible (16-32??). He has made terrible hires at OC. He has been very slow to fix problems (not just this year with the OC/OL...this is just the latest iteration of his patience with bad coaches). There is a level of incompetence at play here. At normal universities his stress would be fine because he would have been fired long ago, before the effects of his incompetence accumulated like this.

All coaches are stressed when things arent going well.
Not much of a "revelation" there.

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calumnus said:

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MilleniaBear said:

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Quick question - if someone resigns as coach the buyout doesn't apply - correct? Maybe there would be a negotiated, mutual separation but at least not a full buyout. Did Gilbert do that when he left? I thought he resigned but Wiki said we fired him. Has any coach in the last 50 years walked away from the job? Maybe Snyder but his contract was expired right?

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Snyder was hired away from Cal by ASU.

The closest was Holmoe. He said that if we did not have a winning record on 2001 he would resign. And he did. Then retracted. His lawyer got involved and we ended up paying his buyout as per the contract.

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Snyder's contract was up for renewal I believe.

Mooch left (for greener pastures) while in the middle of his contract. There's no way he had a 1 year contract.

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Right, and the Snyder terms of renewal had been agreed upon orally....and then.....

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heartofthebear said:

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Big C said:

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Let's be clear: Wilcox very, very much wants to win and this is killing him (not literally, but you can see at his post-game pressers how this is affecting him... not healthy). If he is unable to right the ship in the next year or two, I could picture him accepting some sort of buyout. Everything is negotiable.

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For someone who is risking his health due to losing, he is way to patient with it.
Call it patience or a process of change, but there was not reason to wait an additional month to fire Musgrave and McClure. Did he really need Greatwood to convince him to do that?

Either he is suicidal, doesn't trust himself or he really doesn't care about losing.
Which is it?

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If those are the only choices, then the second one. I see Wilcox as a guy seeking respect from his brethren,

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So we have a head coach who doesn't trust himself. That's just great.

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Big C said:

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heartofthebear said:

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Big C said:

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Let's be clear: Wilcox very, very much wants to win and this is killing him (not literally, but you can see at his post-game pressers how this is affecting him... not healthy). If he is unable to right the ship in the next year or two, I could picture him accepting some sort of buyout. Everything is negotiable.

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For someone who is risking his health due to losing, he is way to patient with it.
Call it patience or a process of change, but there was not reason to wait an additional month to fire Musgrave and McClure. Did he really need Greatwood to convince him to do that?

Either he is suicidal, doesn't trust himself or he really doesn't care about losing.
Which is it?

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If those are the only choices, then the second one. I see Wilcox as a guy seeking respect from his brethren,

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So we have a head coach who doesn't trust himself. That's just great.

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I was presented with limited choices. However, I would be interested in what Wilcox actually knows about offense, what he thinks he knows and -- honestly -- what his approach to hiring an OC is this time around.

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Big C said:

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Let's be clear: Wilcox very, very much wants to win and this is killing him (not literally, but you can see at his post-game pressers how this is affecting him... not healthy). If he is unable to right the ship in the next year or two, I could picture him accepting some sort of buyout. Everything is negotiable.

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Looks like JT, the second, the way he handles stress.

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If he starts wearing the poncho then we'll know for sure.