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https://fb.watch/iatM0wLvl8/?mibextid=v7YzmG

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https://fb.watch/iatM0wLvl8/?mibextid=v7YzmG

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Where is that video taken? It is like 25 degrees in boulder right now.

Probably Miami. Probably was visiting the recruit

Deion dances like how I imagine most of us BIers dance, but can't deny that the energy and enthusiasm is infectious.

Dude's gonna get on a roll. The CFB podcasts I listen to cannot get enough of him and just reinforce his "Coach Prime" brand daily. One of them applauded the Pac-12's television scheduling genius for making the Buffs vs Ducks the "premier" game for conference opening weekend.

Just watched the first episode of Coach Prime on Prime....man that guy can inspire. He can pretty much convince any recruit to come play for him. I would now not be surprised at all of Jaden Rashad goes there even if he has to back up Dieon's son for a while.

we'll see if he can coach.

Deion knows the leverage that a single bona fide lock down corner can bring to a defense. And of course the domino effect it can have to get more talent at other positions. And his coordinators will be coaching them and calling plays so, will see how he manages his staff.

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Deion knows the leverage that a single bona fide lock down corner can bring to a defense. And of course the domino effect it can have to get more talent at other positions. And his coordinators will be coaching them and calling plays so, will see how he manages his staff.

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Exactly. He doesn't need to coach, that's what assistants and coordinators are for. He needs to manage his staff and sell the program, and he's clearly doing well in the selling part thus far.

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upsetof86 said:

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Deion knows the leverage that a single bona fide lock down corner can bring to a defense. And of course the domino effect it can have to get more talent at other positions. And his coordinators will be coaching them and calling plays so, will see how he manages his staff.

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Exactly. He doesn't need to coach, that's what assistants and coordinators are for. He needs to manage his staff and sell the program, and he's clearly doing well in the selling part thus far.

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I think that's an oversimplification. Managing the staff and selling the program are certainly important parts of the job but the better coaches do plenty of coaching. Riley, Kelly, Deboer and Whittingham are doing plenty of coaching. Jonathan Smith is doing plenty of coaching. Head coaches implement their system and the team reflects their vision.

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PtownBear1 said:

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upsetof86 said:

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Deion knows the leverage that a single bona fide lock down corner can bring to a defense. And of course the domino effect it can have to get more talent at other positions. And his coordinators will be coaching them and calling plays so, will see how he manages his staff.

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Exactly. He doesn't need to coach, that's what assistants and coordinators are for. He needs to manage his staff and sell the program, and he's clearly doing well in the selling part thus far.

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I think that's an oversimplification. Managing the staff and selling the program are certainly important parts of the job but the better coaches do plenty of coaching. Riley, Kelly, Deboer and Whittingham are doing plenty of coaching. Jonathan Smith is doing plenty of coaching. Head coaches implement their system and the team reflects their vision.

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Then by that logic we should have fired JW and let the door hit him on the way out already let alone extended him by an all time record amount. No one is saying HCs sit on the phone and planes and press the flesh all week. But by the division of labor Deion seems to know his importance/role this far. Much to be seen on the organization, culture, schemes he adopts and manages.

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AEM80 said:

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upsetof86 said:

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Deion knows the leverage that a single bona fide lock down corner can bring to a defense. And of course the domino effect it can have to get more talent at other positions. And his coordinators will be coaching them and calling plays so, will see how he manages his staff.

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Exactly. He doesn't need to coach, that's what assistants and coordinators are for. He needs to manage his staff and sell the program, and he's clearly doing well in the selling part thus far.

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I think that's an oversimplification. Managing the staff and selling the program are certainly important parts of the job but the better coaches do plenty of coaching. Riley, Kelly, Deboer and Whittingham are doing plenty of coaching. Jonathan Smith is doing plenty of coaching. Head coaches implement their system and the team reflects their vision.

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Then by that logic we should have fired JW and let the door hit him on the way out already let alone extended him by an all time record amount. No one is saying HCs sit on the phone and planes and press the flesh all week. But by the division of labor Deion seems to know his importance/role this far. Much to be seen on the organization, culture, schemes he adopts and manages.

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He said he doesn't need to coach. That's an oversimplification. They actually coach in addition to all their other responsibilities. I was just responding to what he actually said.,

Who cares about a CB.

We are going to rush for +300 yds on these guys.

Dion seems to be a lot like Herm Edwards. As I recall he was quite convincing in front of players and not selling himself as a coach and that didn't work out too good.

he should have stayed where he was at. He was a hero there. Now he's back to being a his old ****** bag self.

I cannot emphasize this enough: Sanders cannot be successful in this high-risk experiment. The CFB landscape has already been tarnished by the never-ending arms race for newer, luxurious facilities, NIL dollars and the relentless mercenary dynamic of the transfer portal, which erodes all loyalty from fans and players alike.
Now, here comes "CoACh PRiiMMEEe," a caricature of noisy, self-promoting, "is the camera on" thinking that reveals just how the fundamental purpose of college athletics has been prostituted out to the almighty dollar. Now, every coach is going to be working on their loud persona, their social media brand, their blustering speeches that come in tight, 30-second consumable chews for everyone to take in on Twitter. Can our coaches focus on, you know, coaching? Maybe build humble, smart young men who are prepared to take on the world, pro or not? I have a bad feeling that the changing landscape is setting up players to become secondary to the personality of the coaches, to become focused on image instead of character, and to lose all growth opportunity in exchange for the quick sugar rush. The more I write this rant, the more I feel like a Pollyanna. Maybe I'm bucking against a trend that's already locked in. Maybe I've become old. I feel like Sanders failing would be a step in the right direction toward proving that there's something more here than simply personality.

Hands, I share your frustration/anger. I don;t think Coach Prime will have much impact on the overall landscape though, other than making Colorado competitive. Everyone is trying to find their place in this new world of *****d athletics.But I doubt that, when it comes to personalities, other coaches will try to compete with Coach Prime in that area.

It's bad enough how money is tarnishing what was once a fairly honorable game. I know money was always a part of it. But now that it's in the open, I'm just not sure how I'm going to react to continuing my season ticket purchasing. I feel my passion slipping away.

I was already disgusted by the marketing department's destruction of the Cal game day experience. But at least I could, for 60 minutes anyway, pretend that the players were playing because they cared about the school and cared about their team. I'm not sure I can convince myself of that illusion anymore.

I read that Lou Holtz was asked to describe the difference between the football players of today, and the football players of 50 years ago. He said:

"Simple. Today's athletes talk about rights and privileges, and the players 50 years ago talked about obligations and responsibilities".

And there you have it.

TomBear said:

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Hands, I share your frustration/anger. I don;t think Coach Prime will have much impact on the overall landscape though, other than making Colorado competitive. Everyone is trying to find their place in this new world of *****d athletics.But I doubt that, when it comes to personalities, other coaches will try to compete with Coach Prime in that area.

It's bad enough how money is tarnishing what was once a fairly honorable game. I know money was always a part of it. But now that it's in the open, I'm just not sure how I'm going to react to continuing my season ticket purchasing. I feel my passion slipping away.

I was already disgusted by the marketing department's destruction of the Cal game day experience. But at least I could, for 60 minutes anyway, pretend that the players were playing because they cared about the school and cared about their team. I'm not sure I can convince myself of that illusion anymore.

I read that Lou Holtz was asked to describe the difference between the football players of today, and the football players of 50 years ago. He said:

"Simple. Today's athletes talk about rights and privileges, and the players 50 years ago talked about obligations and responsibilities".

And there you have it.

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The other coaches are smart. They can't be Prime, so why prostitute yourself to try to be and, thereby, make a fool of yourself? This will make Prime stick out like a sore thumb and give a clear picture to recruits that, if this is what you want, go for it.

Meanwhile, the jury will be out for a while on whether or not he can actually coach.

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Hands, I share your frustration/anger. I don;t think Coach Prime will have much impact on the overall landscape though, other than making Colorado competitive. Everyone is trying to find their place in this new world of *****d athletics.But I doubt that, when it comes to personalities, other coaches will try to compete with Coach Prime in that area.

It's bad enough how money is tarnishing what was once a fairly honorable game. I know money was always a part of it. But now that it's in the open, I'm just not sure how I'm going to react to continuing my season ticket purchasing. I feel my passion slipping away.

I was already disgusted by the marketing department's destruction of the Cal game day experience. But at least I could, for 60 minutes anyway, pretend that the players were playing because they cared about the school and cared about their team. I'm not sure I can convince myself of that illusion anymore.

I read that Lou Holtz was asked to describe the difference between the football players of today, and the football players of 50 years ago. He said:

"Simple. Today's athletes talk about rights and privileges, and the players 50 years ago talked about obligations and responsibilities".

And there you have it.

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Unfortunately I believe that TV and the coaches and the leagues and the schools (most of them anyway) tarnished the game for money long before the athletes did. All the athletes have done is to say , "if you are going to make a ton of money off of our efforts, we want a part of that money."

It appears hypocritical for Lou Holtz to put all the blame on the players

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Who cares about a CB.

We are going to rush for +300 yds on these guys.

Dion seems to be a lot like Herm Edwards. As I recall he was quite convincing in front of players and not selling himself as a coach and that didn't work out too good.

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knowing Cal, we will run up the middle on our 1st play, lose 1 yard, abandon the script and throw the rest of the game.

Giveemtheaxe said:

"It appears hypocritical for Lou Holtz to put all the blame on the players"

In reading your comment, I'm not sure if you are referring to a specific current issue, or 9f (as I think Lou was doing) referring to football/athletics in general. Lou was simply stating a general fact that is in regards to the general football/athletic population.

In other words, whether you are referring to the NIL situation, or transfer portal, or just players complaining about playing time, or anything else, the statement has truth to it.

TomBear said:

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Giveemtheaxe said:

"It appears hypocritical for Lou Holtz to put all the blame on the players"

In reading your comment, I'm not sure if you are referring to a specific current issue, or 9f (as I think Lou was doing) referring to football/athletics in general. Lou was simply stating a general fact that is in regards to the general football/athletic population.

In other words, whether you are referring to the NIL situation, or transfer portal, or just players complaining about playing time, or anything else, the statement has truth to it.

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I was referring to everything in the current state of CFB. (NIL, Portal, etc.) It was all tarnished by TV money. By the leagues to be the best (and get the top TV dollars.). By the teams (many/most of them) to get the Top players and top bowls; by the coaches to get top positions, top players and top dollars. The players are just the last who want a seat at the table set by TV.

So why blame the players for being selfish. Almost all the parties want to gorge themselves at the table. Then there are some like Cal who just want to survive. And to survive you have to have a seat at the table. Maybe even at the end of the table while we try to preserve the concept of STUDENT athletes.

Maybe the only solution is to go to a pure academic league. Get rid of scholarships? Maybe but then doesn't that eliminate this students who don't have money to attend without scholarships.

Maybe one alternative is to have the NFL and TV set up an NFL minor league. The best of the best HS and JC players can opt in to a draft for that league.

The rest of the players stay in colleges where they have to maintain minimum GPA. Scholarships are OK. Regional bowl game would be OK. But No national championships would be allowed. The Portal would be OK with no more than 2 moves per player. NIL would be OK with an aggregate NIL salary cap to be applied to each team.

Clever lawyers should be able to find some way to make this all constitutional and legal.

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I cannot emphasize this enough: Sanders cannot be successful in this high-risk experiment. The CFB landscape has already been tarnished by the never-ending arms race for newer, luxurious facilities, NIL dollars and the relentless mercenary dynamic of the transfer portal, which erodes all loyalty from fans and players alike.
Now, here comes "CoACh PRiiMMEEe," a caricature of noisy, self-promoting, "is the camera on" thinking that reveals just how the fundamental purpose of college athletics has been prostituted out to the almighty dollar. Now, every coach is going to be working on their loud persona, their social media brand, their blustering speeches that come in tight, 30-second consumable chews for everyone to take in on Twitter. Can our coaches focus on, you know, coaching? Maybe build humble, smart young men who are prepared to take on the world, pro or not? I have a bad feeling that the changing landscape is setting up players to become secondary to the personality of the coaches, to become focused on image instead of character, and to lose all growth opportunity in exchange for the quick sugar rush. The more I write this rant, the more I feel like a Pollyanna. Maybe I'm bucking against a trend that's already locked in. Maybe I've become old. I feel like Sanders failing would be a step in the right direction toward proving that there's something more here than simply personality.

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"Can our coaches focus on, you know, coaching? Maybe build humble, smart young men who are prepared to take on the world, pro or not?"

I know what you are trying to say but I HATE this. It is so patronizing and so gosh darn 1950s lets run the picket fence. Do you say the same thing about mecruial directors or ballet instrutors who push their principals to ridiculous limits?

These young men are in the BUSINESS OF SPORTS. Now we can have a debate about whether colleges should be engaged in that. I tend to think that any school which offers a BFA in music or drama should be - all three are essentially about entertainment.

Do I LIKE what Prime is doing? No. I tend to be a Nick Saban kind of guy - who understands his responsibility is to put together a program and get support to provide the best possible chance and training and support so these talented ARTISTS can make a professional career in this endevour or, at the very worst, make a living closely affiliated with the sport they are passionate about. But we are LONG since past the time that this is about playing a GAME that teaches life lessons.

GivemTheAxe said:

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TomBear said:

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Giveemtheaxe said:

"It appears hypocritical for Lou Holtz to put all the blame on the players"

In reading your comment, I'm not sure if you are referring to a specific current issue, or 9f (as I think Lou was doing) referring to football/athletics in general. Lou was simply stating a general fact that is in regards to the general football/athletic population.

In other words, whether you are referring to the NIL situation, or transfer portal, or just players complaining about playing time, or anything else, the statement has truth to it.

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I was referring to everything in the current state of CFB. (NIL, Portal, etc.) It was all tarnished by TV money. By the leagues to be the best (and get the top TV dollars.). By the teams (many/most of them) to get the Top players and top bowls; by the coaches to get top positions, top players and top dollars. The players are just the last who want a seat at the table set by TV.

So why blame the players for being selfish. Almost all the parties want to gorge themselves at the table. Then there are some like Cal who just want to survive. And to survive you have to have a seat at the table. Maybe even at the end of the table while we try to preserve the concept of STUDENT athletes.

Maybe the only solution is to go to a pure academic league. Get rid of scholarships? Maybe but then doesn't that eliminate this students who don't have money to attend without scholarships.

Maybe one alternative is to have the NFL and TV set up an NFL minor league. The best of the best HS and JC players can opt in to a draft for that league.

The rest of the players stay in colleges where they have to maintain minimum GPA. Scholarships are OK. Regional bowl game would be OK. But No national championships would be allowed. The Portal would be OK with no more than 2 moves per player. NIL would be OK with an aggregate NIL salary cap to be applied to each team.

Clever lawyers should be able to find some way to make this all constitutional and legal.

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Honestly this is why I believe the _right_ thing for Cal to do - if the Pac12 implodes - is to drop to the MWC. By getting out of most of the race for the TV dollar it just creates a fundamentally different relationship between the team, the community and the school. No one is coming to SDSU for the NIL money. Very few are looking at an NFL career. The MWC essentially self selects to players who NEED college because they didn't get a P5 (soon to be P2) offer but want a degree and/or love football.

Now the issue is that football remains EXPENSIVE to support. Probably involve a student fee and it will be interesting to see if students support without TV. I don't have a clue about the non-revenue sports. But there IS football other than the P5 and it IS more compatible with Cal overall philosophy.

socaltownie said:

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GivemTheAxe said:

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TomBear said:

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Giveemtheaxe said:

"It appears hypocritical for Lou Holtz to put all the blame on the players"

In reading your comment, I'm not sure if you are referring to a specific current issue, or 9f (as I think Lou was doing) referring to football/athletics in general. Lou was simply stating a general fact that is in regards to the general football/athletic population.

In other words, whether you are referring to the NIL situation, or transfer portal, or just players complaining about playing time, or anything else, the statement has truth to it.

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I was referring to everything in the current state of CFB. (NIL, Portal, etc.) It was all tarnished by TV money. By the leagues to be the best (and get the top TV dollars.). By the teams (many/most of them) to get the Top players and top bowls; by the coaches to get top positions, top players and top dollars. The players are just the last who want a seat at the table set by TV.

So why blame the players for being selfish. Almost all the parties want to gorge themselves at the table. Then there are some like Cal who just want to survive. And to survive you have to have a seat at the table. Maybe even at the end of the table while we try to preserve the concept of STUDENT athletes.

Maybe the only solution is to go to a pure academic league. Get rid of scholarships? Maybe but then doesn't that eliminate this students who don't have money to attend without scholarships.

Maybe one alternative is to have the NFL and TV set up an NFL minor league. The best of the best HS and JC players can opt in to a draft for that league.

The rest of the players stay in colleges where they have to maintain minimum GPA. Scholarships are OK. Regional bowl game would be OK. But No national championships would be allowed. The Portal would be OK with no more than 2 moves per player. NIL would be OK with an aggregate NIL salary cap to be applied to each team.

Clever lawyers should be able to find some way to make this all constitutional and legal.

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Honestly this is why I believe the _right_ thing for Cal to do - if the Pac12 implodes - is to drop to the MWC. By getting out of most of the race for the TV dollar it just creates a fundamentally different relationship between the team, the community and the school. No one is coming to SDSU for the NIL money. Very few are looking at an NFL career. The MWC essentially self selects to players who NEED college because they didn't get a P5 (soon to be P2) offer but want a degree and/or love football.

Now the issue is that football remains EXPENSIVE to support. Probably involve a student fee and it will be interesting to see if students support without TV. I don't have a clue about the non-revenue sports. But there IS football other than the P5 and it IS more compatible with Cal overall philosophy.

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The problem I see here is that I feel there are two types of students at Cal. Those who could care less about football (sizeable proportion) and those who really care about it (smaller but non-insignificant). The latter would hate the idea of becoming irrelevant on the national landscape and thus interest would plummet to essentially zero and at that point you are making no money.
The students who get into cal and enjoy football want to compete in the big-time just like they do in academics. Is there even an academic powerhouse that is part of group of 5 let alone MWC? Our academic branding would take a hit.

This is all anecdotal as I have no numbers but just friends and frenemies who support other teams will just not watch Cal if we aren't P5. I for one will not be interested in following the program as I do now if we are just going for participation trophies.

socaltownie said:

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GivemTheAxe said:

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TomBear said:

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Giveemtheaxe said:

"It appears hypocritical for Lou Holtz to put all the blame on the players"

In reading your comment, I'm not sure if you are referring to a specific current issue, or 9f (as I think Lou was doing) referring to football/athletics in general. Lou was simply stating a general fact that is in regards to the general football/athletic population.

In other words, whether you are referring to the NIL situation, or transfer portal, or just players complaining about playing time, or anything else, the statement has truth to it.

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I was referring to everything in the current state of CFB. (NIL, Portal, etc.) It was all tarnished by TV money. By the leagues to be the best (and get the top TV dollars.). By the teams (many/most of them) to get the Top players and top bowls; by the coaches to get top positions, top players and top dollars. The players are just the last who want a seat at the table set by TV.

So why blame the players for being selfish. Almost all the parties want to gorge themselves at the table. Then there are some like Cal who just want to survive. And to survive you have to have a seat at the table. Maybe even at the end of the table while we try to preserve the concept of STUDENT athletes.

Maybe the only solution is to go to a pure academic league. Get rid of scholarships? Maybe but then doesn't that eliminate this students who don't have money to attend without scholarships.

Maybe one alternative is to have the NFL and TV set up an NFL minor league. The best of the best HS and JC players can opt in to a draft for that league.

The rest of the players stay in colleges where they have to maintain minimum GPA. Scholarships are OK. Regional bowl game would be OK. But No national championships would be allowed. The Portal would be OK with no more than 2 moves per player. NIL would be OK with an aggregate NIL salary cap to be applied to each team.

Clever lawyers should be able to find some way to make this all constitutional and legal.

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Honestly this is why I believe the _right_ thing for Cal to do - if the Pac12 implodes - is to drop to the MWC. By getting out of most of the race for the TV dollar it just creates a fundamentally different relationship between the team, the community and the school. No one is coming to SDSU for the NIL money. Very few are looking at an NFL career. The MWC essentially self selects to players who NEED college because they didn't get a P5 (soon to be P2) offer but want a degree and/or love football.

Now the issue is that football remains EXPENSIVE to support. Probably involve a student fee and it will be interesting to see if students support without TV. I don't have a clue about the non-revenue sports. But there IS football other than the P5 and it IS more compatible with Cal overall philosophy.

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Personally, I would like to see us make the necessary investment in football and try and do things right before we give up and take a step down.. If I didn't think we could do things better than we are, I'd just say forget it.

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Hands, I share your frustration/anger. I don;t think Coach Prime will have much impact on the overall landscape though, other than making Colorado competitive. Everyone is trying to find their place in this new world of *****d athletics.But I doubt that, when it comes to personalities, other coaches will try to compete with Coach Prime in that area.

It's bad enough how money is tarnishing what was once a fairly honorable game. I know money was always a part of it. But now that it's in the open, I'm just not sure how I'm going to react to continuing my season ticket purchasing. I feel my passion slipping away.

I was already disgusted by the marketing department's destruction of the Cal game day experience. But at least I could, for 60 minutes anyway, pretend that the players were playing because they cared about the school and cared about their team. I'm not sure I can convince myself of that illusion anymore.

I read that Lou Holtz was asked to describe the difference between the football players of today, and the football players of 50 years ago. He said:

"Simple. Today's athletes talk about rights and privileges, and the players 50 years ago talked about obligations and responsibilities".

And there you have it.

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The other coaches are smart. They can't be Prime, so why prostitute yourself to try to be and, thereby, make a fool of yourself? This will make Prime stick out like a sore thumb and give a clear picture to recruits that, if this is what you want, go for it.

Meanwhile, the jury will be out for a while on whether or not he can actually coach.

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Prime is obviously pretty smart too. I can't think of any athlete who has ever done a better job than Deion of playing the media to his advantage. He did it at FSU, in the NFL, with his double sports and he's doing it again as a coach. Prime has always impressed me as a guy who is very intentional about presenting the persona and personality he wants in order to generate a desired outcome.

I know you weren't trying to imply that he wasn't smart but I thought it was worth reiterating. I'm not necessarily a fan of everything Deion does, but I respect his intelligence and savvy and expect that he will be successful as a coach or in anything else he does. He also has always had a phenomenal work ethic, which when properly channeled, can greatly leverage your natural talents. Occasionally, as we saw with Tedford, it can be counter-productive.

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Giveemtheaxe said:

"It appears hypocritical for Lou Holtz to put all the blame on the players"

In reading your comment, I'm not sure if you are referring to a specific current issue, or 9f (as I think Lou was doing) referring to football/athletics in general. Lou was simply stating a general fact that is in regards to the general football/athletic population.

In other words, whether you are referring to the NIL situation, or transfer portal, or just players complaining about playing time, or anything else, the statement has truth to it.

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The point is Lou Holtz is a hypocrite.

Lou Holtz coached for 11 different teams, 7 as a head coach, almost always leaving for more money. He is a multi-millionaire, worth tens of millions, with a huge mansion in Florida, while the vast majority of the players who played for him made zero money playing football, many enduring lifelong debilitating pain or effects from concussions.

He laments the old days when none of the above was challenged like many southern whites in the 1920s and 1960s decried civil rights movements and pined for and glorified the life of antebellum plantations.

Apples to oranges. Coaches are paid by nature. Coaching is a profession. College sports were not (they are now, to an extent) a profession.

There is nothing erroneous about Holtz's remark.

TomBear said:

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Apples to oranges. Coaches are paid by nature. Coaching is a profession. College sports were not (they are now, to an extent) a profession.

There is nothing erroneous about Holtz's remark.

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College fooball might not be a profession, but it is a job. I don't see a distinction between a job and a profession as it comes to payment

Back in the day before Big money got involved in college football. The players received compensation for their playing in the form of their scholarships and room and board.
That might have seemed fair in the days when the colleges and coaches did not take in Big Bucks.
But as the coaches and colleges and the leagues started raking in BIG MONEY, it didn't seem fair that the players didn't get a chance to share in bonanza.
They have asked for greater compensation.

You are correct that Holtz is not in error in saying that the players of today are more concerned about their level of compensation.

But he is still a hypocrite because he fails to recognize that he and basically all coach's are concerned about their share of the growing money in College football. He has no shame in telling players "do as I say don't do as I do"

Sorry, Axe. We'll just have to agree to disagree. While I understand your points, I think in context it is apples and oranges.

Perhaps we can both agree, however, that the current foundations of football (and much of athletics) have taken some of the honor out of the game. The passion I had for college football, particularly Cal football, is fading.....and it's fading quickly.

I do plan to get season tickets again this season. After this season, after decades of filling my Saturdays with "Go Bears" and listening for Cal songs, I likely will very possibly, in fact close to likely save my efforts and enthusiasm for Cal Rugby, and a few other less prevalent sports.

TomBear said:

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Sorry, Axe. We'll just have to agree to disagree. While I understand your points, I think in context it is apples and oranges.

Perhaps we can both agree, however, that the current foundations of football (and much of athletics) have taken some of the honor out of the game. The passion I had for college football, particularly Cal football, is fading.....and it's fading quickly.

I do plan to get season tickets again this season. After this season, after decades of filling my Saturdays with "Go Bears" and listening for Cal songs, I likely will very possibly, in fact close to likely save my efforts and enthusiasm for Cal Rugby, and a few other less prevalent sports.

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If Holtz and other coaches and ADs were "only" paid what college professors (highly accomplished academics) are paid, refusing to make more than a Nobel Prize winner, and the huge money from football went to the university and its educational mission, reducing tuition for all, then he would have a point. As it is he is a hypocrite and is the last person who should be complaining about anybody wanting to be compensated beyond room and board (and possibly education).

TomBear said:

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Sorry, Axe. We'll just have to agree to disagree. While I understand your points, I think in context it is apples and oranges.

Perhaps we can both agree, however, that the current foundations of football (and much of athletics) have taken some of the honor out of the game. The passion I had for college football, particularly Cal football, is fading.....and it's fading quickly.

I do plan to get season tickets again this season. After this season, after decades of filling my Saturdays with "Go Bears" and listening for Cal songs, I likely will very possibly, in fact close to likely save my efforts and enthusiasm for Cal Rugby, and a few other less prevalent sports.

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GivemTheAxe said:

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TomBear said:

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Sorry, Axe. We'll just have to agree to disagree. While I understand your points, I think in context it is apples and oranges.

Perhaps we can both agree, however, that the current foundations of football (and much of athletics) have taken some of the honor out of the game. The passion I had for college football, particularly Cal football, is fading.....and it's fading quickly.

I do plan to get season tickets again this season. After this season, after decades of filling my Saturdays with "Go Bears" and listening for Cal songs, I likely will very possibly, in fact close to likely save my efforts and enthusiasm for Cal Rugby, and a few other less prevalent sports.

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Let's agree to disagree on your first paragraph.
I totally AGREE with your second paragraph
As for your third paragraph I also plan to renew my 4 season tickets to the upcoming football season.
And I too love Cal rugby.
Go Bears!

back to the topic at hand, "Coach Prime" is absolutely dominating the Pac-12 media and sucking the oxygen out of the room. I listen to many CFB and Pac-12 podcasts and it's getting so bad I am about to puke. Puking because I am tired of hearing about it, and because it's becoming manifest destiny in the mediate that he can eclipse UW and Oregon soon. That just takes away from us, this is a zero sum game. Perception is reality, especially for 17 year olds.

"Coach Prime" is a shooting star. Inside of three seasons, he will either fail-or-quit (most likely), or succeed to the point where he will get poached by the B1G or SEC.

Buffs caught lightening in a bottle, getting this guy. But have you ever seen lightening in a bottle? There's a reason for that.