BREAKING NEWS: Cal fires Teri McKeever https://t.co/ITUqOd89iw

— Mercury News (@mercnews) January 31, 2023

Good and had to be done with so many confirmed complaints.....expect a lawsuit from McKeever and eventually a settlement which I don't think she deserves.

BigDaddyBear said:

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Good and had to be done with so many confirmed complaints.....expect a lawsuit from McKeever and eventually a settlement which I don't think she deserves.

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And what about the AD who ignored the complaints?

No pay wall

https://writeforcalifornia.com/p/breaking-news-cal-fires-long-term?utm_medium=ios

southseasbear said:

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BigDaddyBear said:

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Good and had to be done with so many confirmed complaints.....expect a lawsuit from McKeever and eventually a settlement which I don't think she deserves.

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And what about the AD who ignored the complaints?

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If you are going there, then it's plural. Knowlton at least cleaned this up, and okay, about effing time if you want to be critical, sure. But she didn't start being a monster under him...

SouthSeas....yes, the AD needs to go for multiple reasons,,,,not only his mishandling of McKeever for many years, but also giving an extension/raise to Mark Fox can both be seen as fireable offenses.

southseasbear said:

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BigDaddyBear said:

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Good and had to be done with so many confirmed complaints.....expect a lawsuit from McKeever and eventually a settlement which I don't think she deserves.

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And what about the AD who ignored the complaints?

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Our AD. Is like Sgt. Schulz in Hogan's Heroes
"I see nothing, I hear nothing. I know nothing. "

mbBear said:

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southseasbear said:

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BigDaddyBear said:

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Good and had to be done with so many confirmed complaints.....expect a lawsuit from McKeever and eventually a settlement which I don't think she deserves.

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And what about the AD who ignored the complaints?

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If you are going there, then it's plural. Knowlton at least cleaned this up, and okay, about effing time if you want to be critical, sure. But she didn't start being a monster under him...

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Well the complaints were made directly to him, he dismissed them in violation of university, state and federal rules and law and gave McKeever a big new contract. The investigation and "clean up" only happened months after it hit the national press and Cal's hand was forced.

But if you want to fire past Cal ADs too, go right ahead.

Why are you such a defender of Knowlton anyway?

About time!!! Which one is next?

Knowlton & Fox should be next!

BigDaddyBear said:

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Good and had to be done with so many confirmed complaints.....expect a lawsuit from McKeever and eventually a settlement which I don't think she deserves.

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Her employment contract has been posted here on numerous occasions.

I dont see any kind of "settlement" regarding her firing for cause when her employment contract never required "cause" to be fired in the first place and in fact, was written with her waiving her right to a Skelly hearing. She has very little recourse, if any.

DiabloWags said:

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BigDaddyBear said:

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Good and had to be done with so many confirmed complaints.....expect a lawsuit from McKeever and eventually a settlement which I don't think she deserves.

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Her employment contract has been posted here on numerous occasions.

I dont see any kind of "settlement" regarding her firing for cause when her employment contract never required "cause" to be fired in the first place and in fact, was written with her waiving her right to a Skelly hearing. She has very little recourse, if any.

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She's going to be suing claiming gender discrimination.

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Newkirk called the process leading to this decision "one of the most disturbing displays of double standards and enabling of gender bias directed at a female coach," citing Cal's handling of complaints against its women's soccer coach as one example of that double standard. He said McKeever will be filing a lawsuit against the university.

"The coaching profession is at a crossroads," Newkirk said. "The complaints made about Teri were largely the result of gendered differences in how she was judged as a female but also based on gendered evaluations of female athletes. The complaints were also the result of a lack of resources provided to help coaches manage the mental health challenges of athletes. Coaches are all at risk as they seek to walk the line of great coaching compared to what any disappointed athlete or parent can now claim is abuse."

"Teri will be filing suit to expose the manner in which gender has affected not only the evaluation of her coaching but harmed and continues to harm both female and male athletes," he added. "Female athletes, including those who complained, have been treated in a patronizing manner by this administration. Male athletes who need actual help with mental health are being ignored. Male coaches, who are not abusing anyone must now be fired. Teri is committed to finding the answer to this national problem that is destroying not only female coaches but coaching as a profession."

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Rest of the article (including her lengthy statement) found here: https://swimswam.com/cal-fires-teri-mckeever-after-8-month-investigation-into-allegations-of-bullying/

As somebody who is not her attorney and, in fact, not an attorney at all, I would advise her not to sue, as all of her transgressions will be brought up again. Better to just go away quietly. McKeever did some great things as a swim coach, she can concentrate her memories on those.

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DiabloWags said:

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BigDaddyBear said:

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Good and had to be done with so many confirmed complaints.....expect a lawsuit from McKeever and eventually a settlement which I don't think she deserves.

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Her employment contract has been posted here on numerous occasions.

I dont see any kind of "settlement" regarding her firing for cause when her employment contract never required "cause" to be fired in the first place and in fact, was written with her waiving her right to a Skelly hearing. She has very little recourse, if any.

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She's going to be suing claiming gender discrimination.

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Newkirk called the process leading to this decision "one of the most disturbing displays of double standards and enabling of gender bias directed at a female coach," citing Cal's handling of complaints against its women's soccer coach as one example of that double standard. He said McKeever will be filing a lawsuit against the university.

"The coaching profession is at a crossroads," Newkirk said. "The complaints made about Teri were largely the result of gendered differences in how she was judged as a female but also based on gendered evaluations of female athletes. The complaints were also the result of a lack of resources provided to help coaches manage the mental health challenges of athletes. Coaches are all at risk as they seek to walk the line of great coaching compared to what any disappointed athlete or parent can now claim is abuse."

"Teri will be filing suit to expose the manner in which gender has affected not only the evaluation of her coaching but harmed and continues to harm both female and male athletes," he added. "Female athletes, including those who complained, have been treated in a patronizing manner by this administration. Male athletes who need actual help with mental health are being ignored. Male coaches, who are not abusing anyone must now be fired. Teri is committed to finding the answer to this national problem that is destroying not only female coaches but coaching as a profession."

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Rest of the article (including her lengthy statement) found here: https://swimswam.com/cal-fires-teri-mckeever-after-8-month-investigation-into-allegations-of-bullying/

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Lol. Gender discrimination? I hope they have evidence of a relentless pursuit of mental health care on their students' behalf, else I hope Cal sues them for all legal fees and this gets tossed as far as the eye can see.

KenBurnski said:

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BREAKING NEWS: Cal fires Teri McKeever https://t.co/ITUqOd89iw

— Mercury News (@mercnews) January 31, 2023

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Pictured here demonstrating the bilateral ear slap technique. As Bill Maher says after he gets booed, "I kid Teri."

calumnus said:

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mbBear said:

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southseasbear said:

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BigDaddyBear said:

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Good and had to be done with so many confirmed complaints.....expect a lawsuit from McKeever and eventually a settlement which I don't think she deserves.

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And what about the AD who ignored the complaints?

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If you are going there, then it's plural. Knowlton at least cleaned this up, and okay, about effing time if you want to be critical, sure. But she didn't start being a monster under him...

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Well the complaints were made directly to him, he dismissed them in violation of university, state and federal rules and law and gave McKeever a big new contract. The investigation and "clean up" only happened months after it hit the national press and Cal's hand was forced.

But if you want to fire past Cal ADs too, go right ahead.

Why are you such a defender of Knowlton anyway?

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Seriously, why is he defending Knowlton on the ground that others did nothing before he did nothing?

I do like the idea of retroactively firing Mike Williams and reversing his terrible decisions!

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maxer said:

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DiabloWags said:

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BigDaddyBear said:

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Good and had to be done with so many confirmed complaints.....expect a lawsuit from McKeever and eventually a settlement which I don't think she deserves.

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Her employment contract has been posted here on numerous occasions.

I dont see any kind of "settlement" regarding her firing for cause when her employment contract never required "cause" to be fired in the first place and in fact, was written with her waiving her right to a Skelly hearing. She has very little recourse, if any.

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She's going to be suing claiming gender discrimination.

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Newkirk called the process leading to this decision "one of the most disturbing displays of double standards and enabling of gender bias directed at a female coach," citing Cal's handling of complaints against its women's soccer coach as one example of that double standard. He said McKeever will be filing a lawsuit against the university.

"The coaching profession is at a crossroads," Newkirk said. "The complaints made about Teri were largely the result of gendered differences in how she was judged as a female but also based on gendered evaluations of female athletes. The complaints were also the result of a lack of resources provided to help coaches manage the mental health challenges of athletes. Coaches are all at risk as they seek to walk the line of great coaching compared to what any disappointed athlete or parent can now claim is abuse."

"Teri will be filing suit to expose the manner in which gender has affected not only the evaluation of her coaching but harmed and continues to harm both female and male athletes," he added. "Female athletes, including those who complained, have been treated in a patronizing manner by this administration. Male athletes who need actual help with mental health are being ignored. Male coaches, who are not abusing anyone must now be fired. Teri is committed to finding the answer to this national problem that is destroying not only female coaches but coaching as a profession."

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Rest of the article (including her lengthy statement) found here: https://swimswam.com/cal-fires-teri-mckeever-after-8-month-investigation-into-allegations-of-bullying/

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Lol. Gender discrimination? I hope they have evidence of a relentless pursuit of mental health care on their students' behalf, else I hope Cal sues them for all legal fees and this gets tossed as far as the eye can see.

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This is California, where former employees have an advantage. She will sue, or at least threaten to do so, and most likely the case will settle for a minimum of 5 figures.

Don't settle. An Alameda County jury, state or federal, will kick her @$$ so bad that both shoes will get sh@itty.

She can only afford to have that case handled on a contingency fee basis. Any attorney that signs on for that better be wealthy.

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Don't settle. An Alameda County jury, state or federal, will kick her @$$ so bad that both shoes will get sh@itty.

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If the U.C. did anything at all wrong whatsoever, she would get attorneys fees up the yin yang. Such are the crappy employment laws of this state.

bearsandgiants said:

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maxer said:

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DiabloWags said:

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BigDaddyBear said:

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Good and had to be done with so many confirmed complaints.....expect a lawsuit from McKeever and eventually a settlement which I don't think she deserves.

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Her employment contract has been posted here on numerous occasions.

I dont see any kind of "settlement" regarding her firing for cause when her employment contract never required "cause" to be fired in the first place and in fact, was written with her waiving her right to a Skelly hearing. She has very little recourse, if any.

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She's going to be suing claiming gender discrimination.

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Newkirk called the process leading to this decision "one of the most disturbing displays of double standards and enabling of gender bias directed at a female coach," citing Cal's handling of complaints against its women's soccer coach as one example of that double standard. He said McKeever will be filing a lawsuit against the university.

"The coaching profession is at a crossroads," Newkirk said. "The complaints made about Teri were largely the result of gendered differences in how she was judged as a female but also based on gendered evaluations of female athletes. The complaints were also the result of a lack of resources provided to help coaches manage the mental health challenges of athletes. Coaches are all at risk as they seek to walk the line of great coaching compared to what any disappointed athlete or parent can now claim is abuse."

"Teri will be filing suit to expose the manner in which gender has affected not only the evaluation of her coaching but harmed and continues to harm both female and male athletes," he added. "Female athletes, including those who complained, have been treated in a patronizing manner by this administration. Male athletes who need actual help with mental health are being ignored. Male coaches, who are not abusing anyone must now be fired. Teri is committed to finding the answer to this national problem that is destroying not only female coaches but coaching as a profession."

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Rest of the article (including her lengthy statement) found here: https://swimswam.com/cal-fires-teri-mckeever-after-8-month-investigation-into-allegations-of-bullying/

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Lol. Gender discrimination? I hope they have evidence of a relentless pursuit of mental health care on their students' behalf, else I hope Cal sues them for all legal fees and this gets tossed as far as the eye can see.

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I'm about 100+ pages into reading the report. Through those pages I'd say the charges of racially motivated hostility are thin/nuanced. On the other hand the charges related to bullying, hostile environment and other charges are substantial. All she has to do is show male coaches who are "old school" but still employed and she'll arguably have a colorable claim. I suspect she'll be able to show that with relative ease. I predict Cal pays a settlement.

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Don't settle. An Alameda County jury, state or federal, will kick her @$$ so bad that both shoes will get sh@itty.

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They have a law firm report with 40(?) witnesses corroborating the fact that she broke the law, used racist language, engaged in racial discrimination and harassment and abuse. The university looked the other way and gave her a big raise and fat contract. She was only let go after the university was forced to when this all appeared in the national press.

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bearsandgiants said:

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maxer said:

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DiabloWags said:

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BigDaddyBear said:

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Good and had to be done with so many confirmed complaints.....expect a lawsuit from McKeever and eventually a settlement which I don't think she deserves.

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Her employment contract has been posted here on numerous occasions.

I dont see any kind of "settlement" regarding her firing for cause when her employment contract never required "cause" to be fired in the first place and in fact, was written with her waiving her right to a Skelly hearing. She has very little recourse, if any.

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She's going to be suing claiming gender discrimination.

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Newkirk called the process leading to this decision "one of the most disturbing displays of double standards and enabling of gender bias directed at a female coach," citing Cal's handling of complaints against its women's soccer coach as one example of that double standard. He said McKeever will be filing a lawsuit against the university.

"The coaching profession is at a crossroads," Newkirk said. "The complaints made about Teri were largely the result of gendered differences in how she was judged as a female but also based on gendered evaluations of female athletes. The complaints were also the result of a lack of resources provided to help coaches manage the mental health challenges of athletes. Coaches are all at risk as they seek to walk the line of great coaching compared to what any disappointed athlete or parent can now claim is abuse."

"Teri will be filing suit to expose the manner in which gender has affected not only the evaluation of her coaching but harmed and continues to harm both female and male athletes," he added. "Female athletes, including those who complained, have been treated in a patronizing manner by this administration. Male athletes who need actual help with mental health are being ignored. Male coaches, who are not abusing anyone must now be fired. Teri is committed to finding the answer to this national problem that is destroying not only female coaches but coaching as a profession."

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Rest of the article (including her lengthy statement) found here: https://swimswam.com/cal-fires-teri-mckeever-after-8-month-investigation-into-allegations-of-bullying/

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Lol. Gender discrimination? I hope they have evidence of a relentless pursuit of mental health care on their students' behalf, else I hope Cal sues them for all legal fees and this gets tossed as far as the eye can see.

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I'm about 100+ pages into reading the report. Through those pages I'd say the charges of racially motivated hostility are thin/nuanced. On the other hand the charges related to bullying, hostile environment and other charges are substantial. All she has to do is show male coaches who are "old school" but still employed and she'll arguably have a colorable claim. I suspect she'll be able to show that with relative ease. I predict Cal pays a settlement.

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Whataboutism is a defense now?

tequila4kapp said:

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bearsandgiants said:

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maxer said:

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DiabloWags said:

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BigDaddyBear said:

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Good and had to be done with so many confirmed complaints.....expect a lawsuit from McKeever and eventually a settlement which I don't think she deserves.

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Her employment contract has been posted here on numerous occasions.

I dont see any kind of "settlement" regarding her firing for cause when her employment contract never required "cause" to be fired in the first place and in fact, was written with her waiving her right to a Skelly hearing. She has very little recourse, if any.

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She's going to be suing claiming gender discrimination.

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Newkirk called the process leading to this decision "one of the most disturbing displays of double standards and enabling of gender bias directed at a female coach," citing Cal's handling of complaints against its women's soccer coach as one example of that double standard. He said McKeever will be filing a lawsuit against the university.

"The coaching profession is at a crossroads," Newkirk said. "The complaints made about Teri were largely the result of gendered differences in how she was judged as a female but also based on gendered evaluations of female athletes. The complaints were also the result of a lack of resources provided to help coaches manage the mental health challenges of athletes. Coaches are all at risk as they seek to walk the line of great coaching compared to what any disappointed athlete or parent can now claim is abuse."

"Teri will be filing suit to expose the manner in which gender has affected not only the evaluation of her coaching but harmed and continues to harm both female and male athletes," he added. "Female athletes, including those who complained, have been treated in a patronizing manner by this administration. Male athletes who need actual help with mental health are being ignored. Male coaches, who are not abusing anyone must now be fired. Teri is committed to finding the answer to this national problem that is destroying not only female coaches but coaching as a profession."

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Rest of the article (including her lengthy statement) found here: https://swimswam.com/cal-fires-teri-mckeever-after-8-month-investigation-into-allegations-of-bullying/

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Lol. Gender discrimination? I hope they have evidence of a relentless pursuit of mental health care on their students' behalf, else I hope Cal sues them for all legal fees and this gets tossed as far as the eye can see.

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I'm about 100+ pages into reading the report. Through those pages I'd say the charges of racially motivated hostility are thin/nuanced. On the other hand the charges related to bullying, hostile environment and other charges are substantial. All she has to do is show male coaches who are "old school" but still employed and she'll arguably have a colorable claim. I suspect she'll be able to show that with relative ease. I predict Cal pays a settlement.

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Her racially disparaging term for rap? Made in the presence of an African American swimmer she singled out for bullying, harassment and abuse? If your client was her employee, don't you think you'd have a claim?

calumnus said:

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tequila4kapp said:

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bearsandgiants said:

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maxer said:

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DiabloWags said:

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BigDaddyBear said:

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Good and had to be done with so many confirmed complaints.....expect a lawsuit from McKeever and eventually a settlement which I don't think she deserves.

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Her employment contract has been posted here on numerous occasions.

I dont see any kind of "settlement" regarding her firing for cause when her employment contract never required "cause" to be fired in the first place and in fact, was written with her waiving her right to a Skelly hearing. She has very little recourse, if any.

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She's going to be suing claiming gender discrimination.

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Newkirk called the process leading to this decision "one of the most disturbing displays of double standards and enabling of gender bias directed at a female coach," citing Cal's handling of complaints against its women's soccer coach as one example of that double standard. He said McKeever will be filing a lawsuit against the university.

"The coaching profession is at a crossroads," Newkirk said. "The complaints made about Teri were largely the result of gendered differences in how she was judged as a female but also based on gendered evaluations of female athletes. The complaints were also the result of a lack of resources provided to help coaches manage the mental health challenges of athletes. Coaches are all at risk as they seek to walk the line of great coaching compared to what any disappointed athlete or parent can now claim is abuse."

"Teri will be filing suit to expose the manner in which gender has affected not only the evaluation of her coaching but harmed and continues to harm both female and male athletes," he added. "Female athletes, including those who complained, have been treated in a patronizing manner by this administration. Male athletes who need actual help with mental health are being ignored. Male coaches, who are not abusing anyone must now be fired. Teri is committed to finding the answer to this national problem that is destroying not only female coaches but coaching as a profession."

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Rest of the article (including her lengthy statement) found here: https://swimswam.com/cal-fires-teri-mckeever-after-8-month-investigation-into-allegations-of-bullying/

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Lol. Gender discrimination? I hope they have evidence of a relentless pursuit of mental health care on their students' behalf, else I hope Cal sues them for all legal fees and this gets tossed as far as the eye can see.

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I'm about 100+ pages into reading the report. Through those pages I'd say the charges of racially motivated hostility are thin/nuanced. On the other hand the charges related to bullying, hostile environment and other charges are substantial. All she has to do is show male coaches who are "old school" but still employed and she'll arguably have a colorable claim. I suspect she'll be able to show that with relative ease. I predict Cal pays a settlement.

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Her racially disparaging term for rap? Made in the presence of an African American swimmer she singled out for bullying, harassment and abuse? If your client was her employee, don't you think you'd have a claim?

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If I'm not mistaken the University has insurance for a TM lawsuit. If that's the case, the attorneys for the insurance company might decide to settle rather than rack up huge legal fees. That might piss off some on this board, but it could be a simple third party business decision.

southseasbear said:

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BigDaddyBear said:

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Good and had to be done with so many confirmed complaints.....expect a lawsuit from McKeever and eventually a settlement which I don't think she deserves.

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And what about the AD who ignored the complaints?

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This responds to several comments about prospective litigation, since it is clear there are omments by those that have not read the report.

Number 1 litigant is Coach McKeever, who submitted a formal, written complaint to OPHD on November 28, 2022, asserting that she has been wrongfully accused of bullying and abuse and that the University's investigation of her conduct constitutes gender discrimination and reflected gender- biased views. Expect to see more of that when the coach sues Cal.

There may be certain athletes that sue, though it is hard to get a handle on whom and how many. Part of the problem in reading the report is the massive deletions when it comes to the investigators' conclusions regarding disputed allegations. There were findings on former athletes who were subject to abuse, before polices were implemented. One wonders in statute of limitations have expired since when events took place are generally deleted as well, but at least your told the investigators generally sided with those former athletes making allegations.

You would think that on a lot of the allegations, the investigators sided with the accusers given that McKeever was terminated. That said, the discussions seem to be going McKeever's way in certain accusations, but you never know because of the massive deletions.

As for AD staff and or other coaches:

"MTO was not retained to investigate the University's knowledge of Coach McKeever's conduct or its past responses to allegations of misconduct by Coach McKeever. MTO did, however, gather information related to Coach McKeever's defenses and responses to the allegations in order to evaluate them, and among Coach McKeever's defenses, she alleged that the University knew of her coaching methods and of prior complaints and had not found her conduct problematic or violative of any policies. Although MTO gathered all relevant information that witnesses provided or gave MTO access to, MTO did not make factual findings or policy determinations on these issues because they were outside of the scope of the investigation.

MTO also was not retained to investigate, and did not investigate, other coaches and their methods of coaching. MTO's investigation focused solely on evaluating whether Coach McKeever's conduct violated applicable policies without regard to whether other coaches' methods also violated these policies."

I'm going out on a limb here and suggest that there was specific discussion sbetween the Chancellor's office and UC counsel with the investigators on their sense on the administrators' and other coaches' conduct. I suspect that JK and other administrators will be individually named in lawsuits, including by McKeever, and that any prior conduct will likely come out unless litigants are paid to go away and there are nondisclosure agreements, including by McKeever. Time will tell what happens in this regard. The investigation and firing of McKeever is only the first step.

Assuming there is an insurer involved (and I wouldn't say this is a given, as my former firm represented UC ob employment matters and UC tended to self-insurer on most employment matters), for those not involved, insurance counsel represents the insured, not ihe insurance company, though they have to report to adjusters. The typical policy consent to settle clause generally requires that an insurer obtain its insured's consent before settling a claim, where the insured's consent shall not be unreasonably withheld. The lawyers do not make decisions, though they can make recommendations in good faith. Interpretations of consent to settle clauses vary from state to state, especially as to the "reasonableness" of an insured's refusal to consent to settlement, and this may not come as a surprise but CA court's tend to focus on protecting the insured's expectations, rather than the insurer's desire to settle. Thus, expect settlements to have non-disclosures.

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southseasbear said:

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BigDaddyBear said:

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Good and had to be done with so many confirmed complaints.....expect a lawsuit from McKeever and eventually a settlement which I don't think she deserves.

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And what about the AD who ignored the complaints?

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This responds to several comments about prospective litigation, since it is clear there are omments by those that have not read the report.

Number 1 litigant is Coach McKeever, who submitted a formal, written complaint to OPHD on November 28, 2022, asserting that she has been wrongfully accused of bullying and abuse and that the University's investigation of her conduct constitutes gender discrimination and reflected gender- biased views. Expect to see more of that when the coach sues Cal.

There may be certain athletes that sue, though it is hard to get a handle on whom and how many. Part of the problem in reading the report is the massive deletions when it comes to the investigators' conclusions regarding disputed allegations. There were findings on former athletes who were subject to abuse, before polices were implemented. One wonders in statute of limitations have expired since when events took place are generally deleted as well, but at least your told the investigators generally sided with those former athletes making allegations.

You would think that on a lot of the allegations, the investigators sided with the accusers given that McKeever was terminated. That said, the discussions seem to be going McKeever's way in certain accusations, but you never know because of the massive deletions.

As for AD staff and or other coaches:

"MTO was not retained to investigate the University's knowledge of Coach McKeever's conduct or its past responses to allegations of misconduct by Coach McKeever. MTO did, however, gather information related to Coach McKeever's defenses and responses to the allegations in order to evaluate them, and among Coach McKeever's defenses, she alleged that the University knew of her coaching methods and of prior complaints and had not found her conduct problematic or violative of any policies. Although MTO gathered all relevant information that witnesses provided or gave MTO access to, MTO did not make factual findings or policy determinations on these issues because they were outside of the scope of the investigation.

MTO also was not retained to investigate, and did not investigate, other coaches and their methods of coaching. MTO's investigation focused solely on evaluating whether Coach McKeever's conduct violated applicable policies without regard to whether other coaches' methods also violated these policies."

I'm going out on a limb here and suggest that there was specific discussion sbetween the Chancellor's office and UC counsel with the investigators on their sense on the administrators' and other coaches' conduct. I suspect that JK and other administrators will be individually named in lawsuits, including by McKeever, and that any prior conduct will likely come out unless litigants are paid to go away and there are nondisclosure agreements, including by McKeever. Time will tell what happens in this regard. The investigation and firing of McKeever is only the first step.

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The good news -- the bold above is all JK.

The horrible news -- litigation is even slower than the investigative process, so get ready for this to be a long, drawn out process, with JK not going away anytime soon.

southseasbear said:

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BigDaddyBear said:

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Good and had to be done with so many confirmed complaints.....expect a lawsuit from McKeever and eventually a settlement which I don't think she deserves.

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Yes!

Fire Knowlton!
Fire Fox!
Put Wilcox in a hot seat! ....

AND, FIRE FAILED, LOSER Baseball coach Mike Neu !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

The reason our failure under Neu (and Esquer before him) is so frustrating is we can easily be great in Baseball with the right coach.

I have never posted this before, and while I'm not really seeking the job -- and would never be considered because of bureaucracy and bureaucrats like Knowlton -- but if not me, I could pick the coach to bring us back to greatness.

Once Knowlton's replacement is named, I will immediately try to open up communications to make suggestions for the new Baseball Coach.

If we have a dynamic new AD and I can somehow get an interview, there is a chance I might even get the job. If I do, we will win the yearly series against Stanford by year 2, AND we will be regularly challenging for National Championships by year 3 ....

KoreAmBear said:

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wifeisafurd said:

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southseasbear said:

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BigDaddyBear said:

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Good and had to be done with so many confirmed complaints.....expect a lawsuit from McKeever and eventually a settlement which I don't think she deserves.

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And what about the AD who ignored the complaints?

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This responds to several comments about prospective litigation, since it is clear there are omments by those that have not read the report.

Number 1 litigant is Coach McKeever, who submitted a formal, written complaint to OPHD on November 28, 2022, asserting that she has been wrongfully accused of bullying and abuse and that the University's investigation of her conduct constitutes gender discrimination and reflected gender- biased views. Expect to see more of that when the coach sues Cal.

There may be certain athletes that sue, though it is hard to get a handle on whom and how many. Part of the problem in reading the report is the massive deletions when it comes to the investigators' conclusions regarding disputed allegations. There were findings on former athletes who were subject to abuse, before polices were implemented. One wonders in statute of limitations have expired since when events took place are generally deleted as well, but at least your told the investigators generally sided with those former athletes making allegations.

You would think that on a lot of the allegations, the investigators sided with the accusers given that McKeever was terminated. That said, the discussions seem to be going McKeever's way in certain accusations, but you never know because of the massive deletions.

As for AD staff and or other coaches:

"MTO was not retained to investigate the University's knowledge of Coach McKeever's conduct or its past responses to allegations of misconduct by Coach McKeever. MTO did, however, gather information related to Coach McKeever's defenses and responses to the allegations in order to evaluate them, and among Coach McKeever's defenses, she alleged that the University knew of her coaching methods and of prior complaints and had not found her conduct problematic or violative of any policies. Although MTO gathered all relevant information that witnesses provided or gave MTO access to, MTO did not make factual findings or policy determinations on these issues because they were outside of the scope of the investigation.

MTO also was not retained to investigate, and did not investigate, other coaches and their methods of coaching. MTO's investigation focused solely on evaluating whether Coach McKeever's conduct violated applicable policies without regard to whether other coaches' methods also violated these policies."

I'm going out on a limb here and suggest that there was specific discussion sbetween the Chancellor's office and UC counsel with the investigators on their sense on the administrators' and other coaches' conduct. I suspect that JK and other administrators will be individually named in lawsuits, including by McKeever, and that any prior conduct will likely come out unless litigants are paid to go away and there are nondisclosure agreements, including by McKeever. Time will tell what happens in this regard. The investigation and firing of McKeever is only the first step.

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The good news -- the bold above is all JK.

The horrible news -- litigation is even slower than the investigative process, so get ready for this to be a long, drawn out process, with JK not going away anytime soon.

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yup, has to include JK, but I would suggest other administrators as well given the allegations that were made before policies were even put in place. No disagreement on the second sentence. Lat year I had to testify on a matter that was over 20 plus years old at the trial court level.

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"Teri will be filing suit to expose the manner in which gender has affected not only the evaluation of her coaching but harmed and continues to harm both female and male athletes," he added. "Female athletes, including those who complained, have been treated in a patronizing manner by this administration."

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Her lawsuit is going to expose the fact that all the swimmers who complained about her abusive behavior were treated in a patronizing manner by the athletic department?

I mean, no one will be surprised if we learn that the athletic department brushed off all the complaints about McKeever until they had no choice but to deal with it. But a jury won't give McKeever money for that.

A much more accurate statement would be: "Teri will be filing suit to threaten to expose athletic department dirty laundry, in order to pressure the athletic department to give her a million bucks or more in a settlement."

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Good and had to be done with so many confirmed complaints.....expect a lawsuit from McKeever and eventually a settlement which I don't think she deserves.

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Her employment contract has been posted here on numerous occasions.

I dont see any kind of "settlement" regarding her firing for cause when her employment contract never required "cause" to be fired in the first place and in fact, was written with her waiving her right to a Skelly hearing. She has very little recourse, if any.

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She's going to be suing claiming gender discrimination.

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Newkirk called the process leading to this decision "one of the most disturbing displays of double standards and enabling of gender bias directed at a female coach," citing Cal's handling of complaints against its women's soccer coach as one example of that double standard. He said McKeever will be filing a lawsuit against the university.

"The coaching profession is at a crossroads," Newkirk said. "The complaints made about Teri were largely the result of gendered differences in how she was judged as a female but also based on gendered evaluations of female athletes. The complaints were also the result of a lack of resources provided to help coaches manage the mental health challenges of athletes. Coaches are all at risk as they seek to walk the line of great coaching compared to what any disappointed athlete or parent can now claim is abuse."

"Teri will be filing suit to expose the manner in which gender has affected not only the evaluation of her coaching but harmed and continues to harm both female and male athletes," he added. "Female athletes, including those who complained, have been treated in a patronizing manner by this administration. Male athletes who need actual help with mental health are being ignored. Male coaches, who are not abusing anyone must now be fired. Teri is committed to finding the answer to this national problem that is destroying not only female coaches but coaching as a profession."

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Rest of the article (including her lengthy statement) found here: https://swimswam.com/cal-fires-teri-mckeever-after-8-month-investigation-into-allegations-of-bullying/

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Lol. Gender discrimination? I hope they have evidence of a relentless pursuit of mental health care on their students' behalf, else I hope Cal sues them for all legal fees and this gets tossed as far as the eye can see.

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I'm about 100+ pages into reading the report. Through those pages I'd say the charges of racially motivated hostility are thin/nuanced. On the other hand the charges related to bullying, hostile environment and other charges are substantial. All she has to do is show male coaches who are "old school" but still employed and she'll arguably have a colorable claim. I suspect she'll be able to show that with relative ease. I predict Cal pays a settlement

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Her racially disparaging term for rap? Made in the presence of an African American swimmer she singled out for bullying, harassment and abuse? If your client was her employee, don't you think you'd have a claim?

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I don't recall seeing that in the report, or perhaps I haven't come to it yet. The report claimed there was a preponderance of evidence that she used the full N word 1x while mimicking rap music and making the point she doesn't want certain music played over the loud speakers. It said the incident did not rise to the level of racial discrimination (or whatever).

Is that the type of behavior we want and is it acceptable? Of course not. But in terms of what Cal's report concluded and how it could play out vis a vis her lawsuit against Cal…

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Good and had to be done with so many confirmed complaints.....expect a lawsuit from McKeever and eventually a settlement which I don't think she deserves.

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Her employment contract has been posted here on numerous occasions.

I dont see any kind of "settlement" regarding her firing for cause when her employment contract never required "cause" to be fired in the first place and in fact, was written with her waiving her right to a Skelly hearing. She has very little recourse, if any.

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She's going to be suing claiming gender discrimination.

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Newkirk called the process leading to this decision "one of the most disturbing displays of double standards and enabling of gender bias directed at a female coach," citing Cal's handling of complaints against its women's soccer coach as one example of that double standard. He said McKeever will be filing a lawsuit against the university.

"The coaching profession is at a crossroads," Newkirk said. "The complaints made about Teri were largely the result of gendered differences in how she was judged as a female but also based on gendered evaluations of female athletes. The complaints were also the result of a lack of resources provided to help coaches manage the mental health challenges of athletes. Coaches are all at risk as they seek to walk the line of great coaching compared to what any disappointed athlete or parent can now claim is abuse."

"Teri will be filing suit to expose the manner in which gender has affected not only the evaluation of her coaching but harmed and continues to harm both female and male athletes," he added. "Female athletes, including those who complained, have been treated in a patronizing manner by this administration. Male athletes who need actual help with mental health are being ignored. Male coaches, who are not abusing anyone must now be fired. Teri is committed to finding the answer to this national problem that is destroying not only female coaches but coaching as a profession."

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Rest of the article (including her lengthy statement) found here: https://swimswam.com/cal-fires-teri-mckeever-after-8-month-investigation-into-allegations-of-bullying/

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Lol. Gender discrimination? I hope they have evidence of a relentless pursuit of mental health care on their students' behalf, else I hope Cal sues them for all legal fees and this gets tossed as far as the eye can see.

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I'm about 100+ pages into reading the report. Through those pages I'd say the charges of racially motivated hostility are thin/nuanced. On the other hand the charges related to bullying, hostile environment and other charges are substantial. All she has to do is show male coaches who are "old school" but still employed and she'll arguably have a colorable claim. I suspect she'll be able to show that with relative ease. I predict Cal pays a settlement.

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Whataboutism is a defense now?

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Nope. But if someone alleges discrimination based on gender evidence the opposite gender is treated differently for engaging in the same behavior is relevant

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Good and had to be done with so many confirmed complaints.....expect a lawsuit from McKeever and eventually a settlement which I don't think she deserves.

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Her employment contract has been posted here on numerous occasions.

I dont see any kind of "settlement" regarding her firing for cause when her employment contract never required "cause" to be fired in the first place and in fact, was written with her waiving her right to a Skelly hearing. She has very little recourse, if any.

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She's going to be suing claiming gender discrimination.

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Newkirk called the process leading to this decision "one of the most disturbing displays of double standards and enabling of gender bias directed at a female coach," citing Cal's handling of complaints against its women's soccer coach as one example of that double standard. He said McKeever will be filing a lawsuit against the university.

"The coaching profession is at a crossroads," Newkirk said. "The complaints made about Teri were largely the result of gendered differences in how she was judged as a female but also based on gendered evaluations of female athletes. The complaints were also the result of a lack of resources provided to help coaches manage the mental health challenges of athletes. Coaches are all at risk as they seek to walk the line of great coaching compared to what any disappointed athlete or parent can now claim is abuse."

"Teri will be filing suit to expose the manner in which gender has affected not only the evaluation of her coaching but harmed and continues to harm both female and male athletes," he added. "Female athletes, including those who complained, have been treated in a patronizing manner by this administration. Male athletes who need actual help with mental health are being ignored. Male coaches, who are not abusing anyone must now be fired. Teri is committed to finding the answer to this national problem that is destroying not only female coaches but coaching as a profession."

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Rest of the article (including her lengthy statement) found here: https://swimswam.com/cal-fires-teri-mckeever-after-8-month-investigation-into-allegations-of-bullying/

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Lol. Gender discrimination? I hope they have evidence of a relentless pursuit of mental health care on their students' behalf, else I hope Cal sues them for all legal fees and this gets tossed as far as the eye can see.

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I'm about 100+ pages into reading the report. Through those pages I'd say the charges of racially motivated hostility are thin/nuanced. On the other hand the charges related to bullying, hostile environment and other charges are substantial. All she has to do is show male coaches who are "old school" but still employed and she'll arguably have a colorable claim. I suspect she'll be able to show that with relative ease. I predict Cal pays a settlement.

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Whataboutism is a defense now?

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Nope. But if someone alleges discrimination based on gender evidence the opposite gender is treated differently for engaging in the same behavior is relevant

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Lou Campanelli was fired for verbally abusing players. He did not even get the benefit of a nearly year long investigation.

Hufnagnel was fired when he was found to have violated university policy.

She was fired after an investigation found she broke the law. The university actually resisted investigating her for years and only had to once it became a national story in the press. Once it was found that she violated the law, the university is obligated to fire her or the university has violated the law. The university may still be sued by the swimmers and found liable for its previous inaction.

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Good and had to be done with so many confirmed complaints.....expect a lawsuit from McKeever and eventually a settlement which I don't think she deserves.

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Her employment contract has been posted here on numerous occasions.

I dont see any kind of "settlement" regarding her firing for cause when her employment contract never required "cause" to be fired in the first place and in fact, was written with her waiving her right to a Skelly hearing. She has very little recourse, if any.

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She's going to be suing claiming gender discrimination.

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Newkirk called the process leading to this decision "one of the most disturbing displays of double standards and enabling of gender bias directed at a female coach," citing Cal's handling of complaints against its women's soccer coach as one example of that double standard. He said McKeever will be filing a lawsuit against the university.

"The coaching profession is at a crossroads," Newkirk said. "The complaints made about Teri were largely the result of gendered differences in how she was judged as a female but also based on gendered evaluations of female athletes. The complaints were also the result of a lack of resources provided to help coaches manage the mental health challenges of athletes. Coaches are all at risk as they seek to walk the line of great coaching compared to what any disappointed athlete or parent can now claim is abuse."

"Teri will be filing suit to expose the manner in which gender has affected not only the evaluation of her coaching but harmed and continues to harm both female and male athletes," he added. "Female athletes, including those who complained, have been treated in a patronizing manner by this administration. Male athletes who need actual help with mental health are being ignored. Male coaches, who are not abusing anyone must now be fired. Teri is committed to finding the answer to this national problem that is destroying not only female coaches but coaching as a profession."

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Rest of the article (including her lengthy statement) found here: https://swimswam.com/cal-fires-teri-mckeever-after-8-month-investigation-into-allegations-of-bullying/

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Lol. Gender discrimination? I hope they have evidence of a relentless pursuit of mental health care on their students' behalf, else I hope Cal sues them for all legal fees and this gets tossed as far as the eye can see.

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I'm about 100+ pages into reading the report. Through those pages I'd say the charges of racially motivated hostility are thin/nuanced. On the other hand the charges related to bullying, hostile environment and other charges are substantial. All she has to do is show male coaches who are "old school" but still employed and she'll arguably have a colorable claim. I suspect she'll be able to show that with relative ease. I predict Cal pays a settlement.

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Whataboutism is a defense now?

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Nope. But if someone alleges discrimination based on gender evidence the opposite gender is treated differently for engaging in the same behavior is relevant

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Yes, disparate treatment based on gender is a form of sexual harassment in California.

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Good and had to be done with so many confirmed complaints.....expect a lawsuit from McKeever and eventually a settlement which I don't think she deserves.

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Her employment contract has been posted here on numerous occasions.

I dont see any kind of "settlement" regarding her firing for cause when her employment contract never required "cause" to be fired in the first place and in fact, was written with her waiving her right to a Skelly hearing. She has very little recourse, if any.

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She's going to be suing claiming gender discrimination.

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Newkirk called the process leading to this decision "one of the most disturbing displays of double standards and enabling of gender bias directed at a female coach," citing Cal's handling of complaints against its women's soccer coach as one example of that double standard. He said McKeever will be filing a lawsuit against the university.

"The coaching profession is at a crossroads," Newkirk said. "The complaints made about Teri were largely the result of gendered differences in how she was judged as a female but also based on gendered evaluations of female athletes. The complaints were also the result of a lack of resources provided to help coaches manage the mental health challenges of athletes. Coaches are all at risk as they seek to walk the line of great coaching compared to what any disappointed athlete or parent can now claim is abuse."

"Teri will be filing suit to expose the manner in which gender has affected not only the evaluation of her coaching but harmed and continues to harm both female and male athletes," he added. "Female athletes, including those who complained, have been treated in a patronizing manner by this administration. Male athletes who need actual help with mental health are being ignored. Male coaches, who are not abusing anyone must now be fired. Teri is committed to finding the answer to this national problem that is destroying not only female coaches but coaching as a profession."

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Rest of the article (including her lengthy statement) found here: https://swimswam.com/cal-fires-teri-mckeever-after-8-month-investigation-into-allegations-of-bullying/

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Lol. Gender discrimination? I hope they have evidence of a relentless pursuit of mental health care on their students' behalf, else I hope Cal sues them for all legal fees and this gets tossed as far as the eye can see.

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I'm about 100+ pages into reading the report. Through those pages I'd say the charges of racially motivated hostility are thin/nuanced. On the other hand the charges related to bullying, hostile environment and other charges are substantial. All she has to do is show male coaches who are "old school" but still employed and she'll arguably have a colorable claim. I suspect she'll be able to show that with relative ease. I predict Cal pays a settlement.

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Whataboutism is a defense now?

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Nope. But if someone alleges discrimination based on gender evidence the opposite gender is treated differently for engaging in the same behavior is relevant

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Lou Campanelli was fired for verbally abusing players. He did not even get the benefit of a nearly year long investigation.

Hufnagnel was fired when he was found to have violated university policy.

She was fired after an investigation found she broke the law. The university actually resisted investigating her for years and only had to once it became a national story in the press. Once it was found that she violated the law, the university is obligated to fire her or the university has violated the law. The university may still be sued by the swimmers and found liable for its previous inaction.

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Perhaps you guys believe I am expressing my opinion on the validity of her likely claims. I am not. I am saying she will likely have enough to get past Summary Judgment motions and (IMO) reach a settlement that keeps certain people/things protected by NDA agreements.

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Well the complaints were made directly to him, he dismissed them in violation of university, state and federal rules and law and gave McKeever a big new contract. The investigation and "clean up" only happened months after it hit the national press and Cal's hand was forced.

But if you want to fire past Cal ADs too, go right ahead.

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I would like to take on that task if they're looking for someone to do that. I'm also open to being the person to give Knowlton the bad news if and when the permission for that is given.

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Newkirk: "Male coaches, who are not abusing anyone must now be fired."

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Good luck with that.