UC Berkeley will close 3 libraries amid shrinking budget

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CaliforniaEternal
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OneTopOneChickenApple said:

75bear said:

Does anyone know where the Math department will be relocated once Evans is torn down? I know there will be no significant structure built to replace the Evans footprint.
A new building at the parking lot west of Dwinelle Hall, is being built to accommodate those relocated by the Evans Hall demolition.

The building that is going to start construction later this year on the dwinelle parking lot site is only going to be classroom space to replace what currently exists in Evans. Econ and math are each going to get a new building in collaboration with other units . Stay tuned for more info as studies are getting underway to determine the best location for each.
75bear
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CaliforniaEternal said:

OneTopOneChickenApple said:

75bear said:

Does anyone know where the Math department will be relocated once Evans is torn down? I know there will be no significant structure built to replace the Evans footprint.
A new building at the parking lot west of Dwinelle Hall, is being built to accommodate those relocated by the Evans Hall demolition.

The building that is going to start construction later this year on the dwinelle parking lot site is only going to be classroom space to replace what currently exists in Evans. Econ and math are each going to get a new building in collaboration with other units . Stay tuned for more info as studies are getting underway to determine the best location for each.
Thanks for all of this info - the only message I've heard until now is that Evans will be torn down.

I really hope the Math department is treated with respect when they decide where to house it going forward.
CaliforniaEternal
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75bear said:

CaliforniaEternal said:

OneTopOneChickenApple said:

75bear said:

Does anyone know where the Math department will be relocated once Evans is torn down? I know there will be no significant structure built to replace the Evans footprint.
A new building at the parking lot west of Dwinelle Hall, is being built to accommodate those relocated by the Evans Hall demolition.

The building that is going to start construction later this year on the dwinelle parking lot site is only going to be classroom space to replace what currently exists in Evans. Econ and math are each going to get a new building in collaboration with other units . Stay tuned for more info as studies are getting underway to determine the best location for each.
Thanks for all of this info - the only message I've heard until now is that Evans will be torn down.

I really hope the Math department is treated with respect when they decide where to house it going forward.


Have no fear, a really nice plan for math will be thought out. They will have to fundraise though to get going faster because state funding is will be very hard and slow to come by. I personally doubt Evans will be torn down before 2030 so they will be in their space for a while still.
75bear
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CaliforniaEternal said:

75bear said:

CaliforniaEternal said:

OneTopOneChickenApple said:

75bear said:

Does anyone know where the Math department will be relocated once Evans is torn down? I know there will be no significant structure built to replace the Evans footprint.
A new building at the parking lot west of Dwinelle Hall, is being built to accommodate those relocated by the Evans Hall demolition.

The building that is going to start construction later this year on the dwinelle parking lot site is only going to be classroom space to replace what currently exists in Evans. Econ and math are each going to get a new building in collaboration with other units . Stay tuned for more info as studies are getting underway to determine the best location for each.
Thanks for all of this info - the only message I've heard until now is that Evans will be torn down.

I really hope the Math department is treated with respect when they decide where to house it going forward.


Have no fear, a really nice plan for math will be thought out. They will have to fundraise though to get going faster because state funding is will be very hard and slow to come by. I personally doubt Evans will be torn down before 2030 so they will be in their space for a while still.
Thanks for the update.
HoopDreams
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I think top school/program having their own library traditionally has been a plus from a prestige/marketing viewpoint

It's also a place for students to study and collaborate with other students in their degree in a more intimate space, which certainly is a plus

And yes, there are some students who prefer a physical book, and there are other publications that are not digitalized yet, or would be an extra cost for the school to license

so there are real reasons to have these dedicated libraries

However the university needs to make choices, especially given the increase in wages to the graduate students

Rethinking and reimagining the libraries considering how much things have changed, and being a leader in innovation doesn't have to be a net negative if done right. Businesses have had to completely reinvent themselves when disruptive technologies or social changes have hit

Universities need to do so also, and the pandemic was one huge disruptive event for universities, businesses, and people shows all three groups can adjust

dmh65
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I think that going through the stacks to get your book is very helpful. I have often come across other useful books that I didn't see in my online search. I think it's good to look for resources in multiple ways; looking at the books that are on the shelf is just different.
HoopDreams
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i don't disagree

but we do need to make choices and adjust


dmh65 said:

I think that going through the stacks to get your book is very helpful. I have often come across other useful books that I didn't see in my online search. I think it's good to look for resources in multiple ways; looking at the books that are on the shelf is just different.
wifeisafurd
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southseasbear said:

Libraries are not just book repositories. They are places for study and collaboration. I wonder if their closure will impact student life and academic achievement.
Will Stanford now puts pubs in their academic buildings so people will mingle and collaborate. Seemed like a great idea before C-19 hit.
wifeisafurd
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dmh65 said:

I think that going through the stacks to get your book is very helpful. I have often come across other useful books that I didn't see in my online search. I think it's good to look for resources in multiple ways; looking at the books that are on the shelf is just different.
Isn't the reality is most education is moving towards the ASU type model, using technology (many ASU students hardly ever go to a physical campus), higher acceptance rates, lower tuition, etc. Hell, it seems like half the people in the little place I live have their kids (K-12) doing on-line classes using ASU college professors, rather than public schooling (not very good for athletic teams btw).

Change in education is happening even if we don't always like it (or maybe like only certain parts). Sorta like college sports. I suspect there always be some elite schools, hopefully Cal, where things stay old school, but those schools probably be relatively expensive, for elites or high end scholarship kids that can get their education paid for.
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wifeisafurd said:

dmh65 said:

I think that going through the stacks to get your book is very helpful. I have often come across other useful books that I didn't see in my online search. I think it's good to look for resources in multiple ways; looking at the books that are on the shelf is just different.
Isn't the reality is most education is moving towards the ASU type model, using technology (many ASU students hardly ever go to a physical campus), higher acceptance rates, lower tuition, etc. Hell, it seems like half the people in the little place I live have their kids (K-12) doing on-line classes using ASU college professors, rather than public schooling (not very good for athletic teams btw).

Change in education is happening even if we don't always like it (or maybe like only certain parts). Sorta like college sports. I suspect there always be some elite schools, hopefully Cal, where things stay old school, but those schools probably be relatively expensive, for elites or high end scholarship kids that can get their education paid for.
I think it's generally a good thing, the flattening and democratization of access to high level course content continues. Like jobs themselves this may lead to more prestige/pay around research, heavy live discussion, and other subjects that have an "in person" requirement that can't be satisfied by the current technology.
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wifeisafurd said:

dmh65 said:

I think that going through the stacks to get your book is very helpful. I have often come across other useful books that I didn't see in my online search. I think it's good to look for resources in multiple ways; looking at the books that are on the shelf is just different.
Isn't the reality is most education is moving towards the ASU type model, using technology (many ASU students hardly ever go to a physical campus), higher acceptance rates, lower tuition, etc. Hell, it seems like half the people in the little place I live have their kids (K-12) doing on-line classes using ASU college professors, rather than public schooling (not very good for athletic teams btw).

Change in education is happening even if we don't always like it (or maybe like only certain parts). Sorta like college sports. I suspect there always be some elite schools, hopefully Cal, where things stay old school, but those schools probably be relatively expensive, for elites or high end scholarship kids that can get their education paid for.
Once again you are cheerleading a crappy product. First, Cal Poly's tuition is lower than asu. Asu has a high acceptance rate because they will accept anyone with a pulse. In addition, the high school students are not taught by asu professors, they watch videos of the professors only in certain classes. What is the average salary of a asu digital prep teacher? $21.60/hour Asu prep (the k-12 school run by asu) is listed as a charter school in Arizona, so teachers might not have any formal training or accreditation.

wifeisafurd
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calpoly said:

wifeisafurd said:

dmh65 said:

I think that going through the stacks to get your book is very helpful. I have often come across other useful books that I didn't see in my online search. I think it's good to look for resources in multiple ways; looking at the books that are on the shelf is just different.
Isn't the reality is most education is moving towards the ASU type model, using technology (many ASU students hardly ever go to a physical campus), higher acceptance rates, lower tuition, etc. Hell, it seems like half the people in the little place I live have their kids (K-12) doing on-line classes using ASU college professors, rather than public schooling (not very good for athletic teams btw).

Change in education is happening even if we don't always like it (or maybe like only certain parts). Sorta like college sports. I suspect there always be some elite schools, hopefully Cal, where things stay old school, but those schools probably be relatively expensive, for elites or high end scholarship kids that can get their education paid for.
Once again you are cheerleading a crappy product. First, Cal Poly's tuition is lower than asu. Asu has a high acceptance rate because they will accept anyone with a pulse. In addition, the high school students are not taught by asu professors, they watch videos of the professors only in certain classes. What is the average salary of a asu digital prep teacher? $21.60/hour Asu prep (the k-12 school run by asu) is listed as a charter school in Arizona, so teachers might not have any formal training or accreditation.


Well this came out of left field, Who the hell was even talking or cares about Cal Poly?

Do they even teach reading comprehension at Cal Poly?

My post is about Cal (not Cal Poly), and different education models. ASU was the first public school to really mushroom into technology and internet classes. They are approaching 150K enrollment in their many campuses, in different states, with deliberate massive enrollments for economies of scale. None of which sounds like Cal Poly does it? Cal Poly uses a Cal model with actual on site classes, on essentially a single campus. Also, your numbers about tuition and costs are utter bull crap, and you are absolutely out of your depth in understanding what ASU does to cater to the K-12 helicopter parents. Moreover, I'm unaware that Cal Poly has moved into massive on-line teaching of K-12, but why don't you tell us all about it?


You base what ASU programs do on a charter school listing in Arizona? Wondering who is more like the $21.60 hour digit prep teachers? They have 250K prep (K-12) students worldwide (sure, that sounds a lot like Cal Poly), in 23 states (also sounds a lot like Cal Poly) and they apparently have a live prep school with around 7,000 students (btw, a lot of colleges do have this, like UCLA, though not in that large enrollment). They use college professors exclusively in 6-12 (at least so I'm told by parents who actually have their kids enrolled), though it is not just profs from ASU, but also from partners (e..g, UofUtah), and their website actually says they just use college faculty.

And to reading comprehension part, I was lamenting the move to the ASU model by schools. I don't really care what Cal Poly does. Cal Poly is an excellent school, far better than ASU IMO, but the way it teaches is very different, and not relevant to what ASU is doing on the college or prep levels.

NorCalFBFan
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Exactly right. No money for libraries, but plenty of money for more administrators.
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